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05_never_again said:
Put yourself in Pruitt's shoes. He's already got tremendous financial security for himself and his family regardless of on-field performance. His contract (like all of these coaching contracts) is not heavily incentivized and if fired, he still gets 60% of whatever is left on it no matter what. Even if you are a competitive person, wouldn't such a setup affect your competitive spirit?
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This is true. I really believe Pruitt is a competitive guy and sincerely hates losing, anywhere. He would much rather bring UT back then see it fail under his watch if he got to choose.

That said, if it isn't working out here and it is due to some mismanagement or cluster**** higher up that is out of his control that is holding the program back then yeah...I think he would say screw it, I didn't know it was this bad and this is why I wanted my guaranteed money when I negotiated the contract.

He would much rather earn it, sure, that is why guys like that get this job. But if it is impossible then I don't blame him for just asking to get fired so he can get paid and move one. Any of us would do that.

This doesn't apply to the POS intern, obviously. He is just a guy that lacks any kind of integrity or self-respect.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
$$$$$. It would be too smart for this administration though. But If Pruitt is retained, imagine Pruitt DC and Herman OC. On paper, that’s a top notch duo.
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I'm sick of imagining, all it does is set us up for the inevitable let down that's even lower than what we thought was realistic.
 
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rjd970 said:
This is true. I really believe Pruitt is a competitive guy and sincerely hates losing, anywhere. He would much rather bring UT back then see it fail under his watch if he got to choose.

That said, if it isn't working out here and it is due to some mismanagement or cluster**** higher up that is out of his control that is holding the program back then yeah...I think he would say screw it, I didn't know it was this bad and this is why I wanted my guaranteed money when I negotiated the contract.

He would much rather earn it, sure, that is why guys like that get this job. But if it is impossible then I don't blame him for just asking to get fired so he can get paid and move one. Any of us would do that.

This doesn't apply to the POS intern, obviously. He is just a guy that lacks any kind of integrity or self-respect.
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Yep, that's a great way of putting it.

These coaches are competitive, but not as competitive as some would like to think. Sure...they'd rather make 100% of their contract value (and probably end up signing a big extension) by being successful. They get more money plus the ego boost for that. However, when the alternative is failure but you still make 60-70% of the contract value, I think they're OK with that too. They have secured a huge amount of money simply by signing the contract, not by being successful on the job. They feel like they've "made it" as soon as the contract is signed, and that's a problem for the school.

I think that leads many coaches to get into a headspace of "Look, I'll stick around as long as you'll have me, but if you don't like what I'm doing then you can just fire me and pay me most of what is left on my deal. I don't care." Is that really the mentality you want your HC to have? Look at Jimbo Fisher - he's getting paid $75m guaranteed regardless of on-field performance. If Jimbo is successful, then he'll be well-worth the $75m, but he gets it just for showing up. The only way for him to not get it is to be fired for cause or quit.

The drawbacks of failure just aren't anywhere near big enough, and if you're extremely successful, it isn't like they end up making that much more money. The contracts the schools sign with these coaches are so one-sided in favor of the coach. They need to have much lower floors (i.e., be much more heavy on incentive pay) and much lower buyouts.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I just can't make myself believe Chaney has all of a sudden forgot how to be an OC. Something seems amiss.
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There is a reason Georgia let him walk. He has no idea how to scheme to cover weaknesses and his innovative/creative level is a 1 out of 100. I could go back like Bruin and dig up my old posts how I wasn't that excited about the hire when it happened but my hubris is not quite at that level. Bottom line is he is vastly overpaid and even though I expect him to return (like most of the staff) I think he holds us back. We need a simple dynamic offense. Maybe HB can overcome it, I hope so.
 
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TN-POSSUM said:
That negativity isn't helping anyone Ron
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You know what’s really going to piss me off? When Bailey does very well to finish the season and knowing that if he played all year, like he should have, we’d have 2-3 more wins and everyone would love Pruitt.

And I don’t want to hear this crap about he wasn’t ready, blah blah blah, he was better and more ready than JG the moment he arrived in Knoxville. Period.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I just can't make myself believe Chaney has all of a sudden forgot how to be an OC. Something seems amiss.
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I don’t disagree with this necessarily, but I don’t think he’s the guru some on here act like he is. He’s not bad when his squads have talent. But the good offensive minds today seem to be able to get creative with what they have and find ways to put up points.

Like someone posted on here, his 2012 offense was the only one he had here that was top 40. One thing that I’ll always remember was him running that end around for two years that didn’t work until he had CP running it in year three. UGA letting him walk always seemed like a red flag to me. Although he has run more RPO stuff while here, the game seems to be trending in the opposite direction from what he does.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
You know what’s really going to piss me off? When Bailey does very well to finish the season and knowing that if he played all year, like he should have, we’d have 2-3 more wins and everyone would love Pruitt.

And I don’t want to hear this crap about he wasn’t ready, blah blah blah, he was better and more ready than JG the moment he arrived in Knoxville. Period.
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It's really a no-win situation.

If Bailey plays well, the questions will mount about why he wasn't playing earlier. Also, even if he does play well, it probably doesn't change the W/L record. We should be 1-2 over the next three games.

But if he plays poorly, it's almost certainly worse. Although it would be unfair to say Bailey has no future here just because he doesn't play well through his first three starts, the optimism around him would crater and thus be a reflection on the future of the coaching staff. Also, if he's bad, suddenly we can lose to Vanderbilt.

Not to mention the irritation that would happen if he plays below average or poorly and Pruitt goes back to JG.
 
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GojiraVol17 said:
He can’t scheme wins, dude. The talent has to execute it and we clearly don’t have that at QB. Cmon man!!
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I disagree with you in that you can’t scheme wins without the talent, the great ones can do that to an extent. I do agree with you about Chaney though. I 100% believe if you change the HC and the QB, Chaney would look a whole lot better.
 
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