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[allvol123]

Enforce The Mask Mandate Or Death For Many Lies Ahead
Saturday, November 21, 2020
The news media is in a unique position to save a lot of lives. The sheriff will not enforce a mask mandate unless he feels.. something. At some point.

Driving around Chattanooga today I saw no one on the street in a mask. Not one of the people walking around, from East Brainerd to North Chattanooga.

Everything is open and people are left with nothing ahead. Except death for many.

Leigh Monitor

For the record the mask mandate applies to places where you cannot socially distance. So as bad as she wants it the Sheriff can't crack skulls of the nonbelievers walking around outside without masks.

I was in Nashville today. I was amazed at how incorrect I was about what was happening in big liberal cities. Second Avenue looked like a game day on the UT Strip.

 

[utvolpj]

Trump attends his final G-20 summit but does not participate in pandemic preparedness session

Several G-20 leaders called for an equitable distribution of Covid-19 vaccines and for strengthening the World Health Organization, the agency taking the lead in battling the pandemic and coordinating how to distribute vaccines worldwide.

Be sure to knock our healthcare system once more while they're sticking the needle in

 

[volbeast33]

People do not wear masks during this pandemic for one fundamental reason. They do not care if they are carrying the disease and infecting other people with it. I'm going to say that again. They just do not care.

Protect yourself..... quit depending on other people

 

[volbeast33]

Can you please say something that is not stupid. You know that all of the people walking around without masks are not healthy. If they were, the numbers of people with the disease would not be going up, up, up. You are just being defensive, with the attitude that you are a good person, therefore you cannot have covid and infect other people with it. That dog don't hunt.

It can/will since people still spread it while wearing masks

 

[volbeast33]

Contradicts other studies.

Down in the article it says the CDC has not published the data. The study was done in July.

I would guess that it is spread by symptomatic individuals but a lot of time the symptoms are so mild that the individual thinks they are fine.

 

[volbeast33]

Some people claim that weakness enters an argument any time they see the "New England Journal of Medicine" used as a source. Others say it is one of the best authorities.

I honestly don’t trust any studies bc I feel the majority is slanted to say whatever the person leading the study wants it to say.

 

[headhunter15]

 

[allvol123]

Hearing Knox County is about to crack down on restaurants again.

 

[Vol Main]

 

[headhunter15]

Hearing Knox County is about to crack down on restaurants again.

Such a shame.

 

[Sea Ray]

I'm literally not, though. You didn't understand fully the term "rate" in another post. I offered clarity. The math involved to calculate the rate and the understanding it hopefully provided stands alone. In no objective way, could someone read the explanation and surmise I am cavalier about the demand on our healthcare resources.
I applaud the rate. It is good news fewer people succumb to the infection relative to the number infected. I also acknowledge the virus will spread despite the fear mongering. That's what viruses do. And because that's what viruses do, it is great news fewer people are dying. Lower death rate is also a testament to the adaptive process of improvement care givers are applying to those in need of intervention.

I simply ask you read carefully what I am offering. Without bias and without reading into my post.

It is far too early to get excited about the rate. The deaths will lag infections by about a month. I hope fewer people die but even if the rate actually turns out to be less than it was 6 mos ago, we could still have a major problem with our healthcare system being overloaded. Given both of these realities I'm not too into the rate stat right now

 

[0nelilreb]

Wait you mean to tell me that with a homeless population of 8 thousand ( hard to believe that’s a true number ) pack up like rats , aren’t healthy , don’t wear masks , bathe or wash their hands .. that there’s only been 156 deaths from Covid in SF and it’s because everyone wears a mask there ?
This is why I have a hard time believing most of these findings and I don’t care what foundation or institution is authoring them .

 

[kiddiedoc]

In statistics, we call the above example "cherry-picking." Let's look at California with a complete lens, as they have had statewide mandates for months:

 

[VolnJC]

Lockdowns only succeeded in destroying economies and prolonging pandemic US vaccine expert predicts life could be back to normal around May | Coronavirus | The Guardian

 

[kiddiedoc]

Also, for funsies, maybe take a look at the states surrounding S Dakota. Minnesota might be a good place to start.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I wonder which population has more opportunity to work from home, and which is more likely to have the financial resources to avoid day to day interaction? People are also leaving SF in droves so I doubt that population count is accurate.

 

[Vol Main]

Wait you mean to tell me that with a homeless population of 8 thousand ( hard to believe that’s a true number ) pack up like rats , aren’t healthy , don’t wear masks , bathe or wash their hands .. that there’s only been 156 deaths from Covid in SF and it’s because everyone wears a mask there ?
This is why I have a hard time believing most of these findings and I don’t care what foundation or institution is authoring them .

Not everything is represented accurately. If this is wrong, I'll be good with somebody calling it out with a reputable source.

 

[TennesseeTopHat]

Wait you mean to tell me that with a homeless population of 8 thousand ( hard to believe that’s a true number ) pack up like rats , aren’t healthy , don’t wear masks , bathe or wash their hands .. that there’s only been 156 deaths from Covid in SF and it’s because everyone wears a mask there ?
This is why I have a hard time believing most of these findings and I don’t care what foundation or institution is authoring them .

This is the problem with anti intellectuals. You don’t believe facts or science if they don’t support your already preconceived bias.

I’m not making a judgement on the stat itself, but your statement that you don’t believe these findings. Seems you have your mind made up in regard to covid safety and nothing will change that

 

[newyorkvol]

This is the problem with anti intellectuals. You don’t believe facts or science if they don’t support your already preconceived bias.

I’m not making a judgement on the stat itself, but your statement that you don’t believe these findings. Seems you have your mind made up in regard to covid safety and nothing will change that

There is some truth to what you say. But unfortunately, all we get with this pandemic is tainted information. In the example given, the only constant or similarity is the population size. When trying to compare across populations, you would prefer to limit differences between the populations in order to accurately measure the effect of what is being studied, in this case, coronavirus. The differences between the actual people that live in San Francisco and those in South Dakota are almost too long to list. Therefore, simply comparing the coronavirus numbers based on total population size provides nothing but faulty data and polarized bullet points.

 

[TennesseeTopHat]

There is some truth to what you say. But unfortunately, all we get with this pandemic is tainted information. In the example given, the only constant or similarity is the population size. When trying to compare across populations, you would prefer to limit differences between the populations in order to accurately measure the effect of what is being studied, in this case, coronavirus. The differences between the actual people that live in San Francisco and those in South Dakota are almost too long to list. Therefore, simply comparing the coronavirus numbers based on total population size provides nothing but faulty data and polarized bullet points.

There are many studies showing the effectiveness of a mask. I’m not here to debate that I just don’t understand the resistance to wearing one. It’s literally the least you can do to protect others and yourself. People talk about violating their personal rights, but I think non-maskers are mostly the same people against abortions, effectively wanting to dictate personal rights on other people’s bodies.

 

[newyorkvol]

There are many studies showing the effectiveness of a mask. I’m not here to debate that I just don’t understand the resistance to wearing one. It’s literally the least you can do to protect others and yourself. People talk about violating their personal rights, but I think non-maskers are mostly the same people against abortions, effectively wanting to dictate personal rights on other people’s bodies.

Wasn’t making a comment about the mask itself. Just that the data presented is a really weak way to “prove” masks work, and those kind of arguments tend not to convince people, and can in fact, have the opposite affect.

 

[0nelilreb]

This is the problem with anti intellectuals. You don’t believe facts or science if they don’t support your already preconceived bias.

I’m not making a judgement on the stat itself, but your statement that you don’t believe these findings. Seems you have your mind made up in regard to covid safety and nothing will change that

let me enlighten you oh educated one , I lived in California , worked out of Oakland and SF that’s why I said the 8k homeless is questionable , the difference between SF and Oakland is literally a line in the road . So with your obvious superior intelligence and education, you are telling me that out of almost 900k people living wall to wall , azz to azz , and a very large homeless population that anyone with more than one brain cell knows isn’t wearing a mask , washing their hands , bathing or social distancing, there’s been under 14k positive results and only 156 people have died of Covid and you not only believe these numbers , you think it’s from wearing a mask ? This is the problem with highly educated people such as yourself .. you don’t use logic and you believe you are smarter than you actually are .

 

[Rickyvol77]

I guess I'd have to look at their retraction rate over the last few years. Many official journals are running into the same issues. In order to be first publisher, they don't exactly check everything closely enough.

New England journal of Medicine also once stated you couldn’t get addicted to opioids

 

[Orangeburst]

let me enlighten you oh educated one , I lived in California , worked out of Oakland and SF that’s why I said the 8k homeless is questionable , the difference between SF and Oakland is literally a line in the road . So with your obvious superior intelligence and education, you are telling me that out of almost 900k people living wall to wall , azz to azz , and a very large homeless population that anyone with more than one brain Velo know isn’t wearing a mask , washing their hands , bathing or social distancing, there’s been under 14k positive results and only 156 people have died of Covid and you not only believe these numbers , you think it’s from wearing a mask ? This is the problem with highly educated people such as yourself .. you don’t use logic and you believe you are smarter than you actually are .

Good job Reb

 

[Vol Main]

There is some truth to what you say. But unfortunately, all we get with this pandemic is tainted information. In the example given, the only constant or similarity is the population size. When trying to compare across populations, you would prefer to limit differences between the populations in order to accurately measure the effect of what is being studied, in this case, coronavirus. The differences between the actual people that live in San Francisco and those in South Dakota are almost too long to list. Therefore, simply comparing the coronavirus numbers based on total population size provides nothing but faulty data and polarized bullet points.

This is a fair criticism. But data is not required to be precisely accurate for it to provide trends. Imprecise data does not change the fact that wearing masks with social distancing mitigates the spread of the virus. Yet some people refuse to accept any evidence for it, because they just don't want to do it. Instead, they personally attack people as cowards for listening to scientists and taking measures to contain the spread of the disease.