2020 Presidential Race

[Velo Vol]

Narrator: That's not how it works.

 

[1972 Grad]

This is also not a true statement.

Not from what I have heard.

 

[AM64]

Standing is more substantial than being a witness or an operative.

Yep, I got that. So how is there any assurance that what the poll watchers see will ever be investigated? Again, imagine football if the official's ruling could be overturned by a coach. Do you think an election commission is going to rule against itself in favor of a poll watcher?

 

[hUTch2002]

I’m not sure. I didn’t follow that case as closely once it got rejected. I thought they had to give an opportunity to cure the defect. (Which would explain why a lower % of absentee votes were tossed, this cycle).

When I get time I’ll see if I can run it down for clarity sake.

 

[1972 Grad]

Did you know that in the early 50s McGhee-Tyson (now the guard side) was a real Air Force Base with two fighter squadrons? My dad was a pilot and Armament and Electronics Officer, and Alexander Butterfield was a pilot at the same time. I rarely heard my dad criticize another person and more rarely another officer, but Alexander Butterfield was definitely an exception. I don't know the background, and it's far too late to ask. Alexander Butterfield went on to work for Nixon, and he was the guy who oversaw the installation of and later divulged that the taping system existed. Nixon and his top level staff made some poor staffing choices.

I remember Butterfield. I watched every minute of the Watergate hearings, I think.

 

[1972 Grad]

Conspired to stall Paris Peace talks until after 1968 election. Declassified years ago. Btw, I Iove Greeneville. Love Link Hills CC

So, they convicted Nixon of treason, did they?

 

[AM64]

I don’t think Woods was a pole watcher. He was suing as a voter. His lawsuit sought to dictate the manner of the last 3 Georgia elections (after the fact). One person can’t do that:

OK; I understand how the system works - can't say I always agree with the concept of standing, but I get the reason. I thought Woods was including more than himself. My big issue is how do poll watcher's issues keep from becoming irrelevant.

 

[RockyTop85]

Not from what I have heard.

Well, you heard wrong.

They didn’t actually extend the deadline, they ruled that a particular county could do so.

And they do have the power to do that. The Supreme Court was asked to say that they didn’t and declined twice.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

And Obama and company did the same.

You need to review the days immediately following the 2016 election. Contradicts your claim

 

[USAFgolferVol]

You beat me to it. I hope that Trump leaves at least as many land mines for Biden as Obama did for him. I would spend the next couple of months figuring out the very best way to f*** over that bunch of a$$holes from both parties that made it hard for him to govern.

You are a model patriot

 

[1972 Grad]

You need to review the days immediately following the 2016 election. Contradicts your claim

Obama and the Dems put their pettiness and desire to smear Trump above the country, no doubt in my mind.

 

[1972 Grad]

You are a model patriot

Eye for an eye baby. I don't get mad. I get even.

 

[lostsheep]

You beat me to it. I hope that Trump leaves at least as many land mines for Biden as Obama did for him. I would spend the next couple of months figuring out the very best way to f*** over that bunch of a$$holes from both parties that made it hard for him to govern.

Really?? Good grief. You do realize that in doing such a thing he could be screwing over the citizens of the country as well??

How about just taking the high road, leaving with dignity, and forming his own superpac and working his ass off to get people elected that believe what he believes??

 

[RockyTop85]

OK; I understand how the system works - can't say I always agree with the concept of standing, but I get the reason. I thought Woods was including more than himself. My big issue is how do poll watcher's issues keep from becoming irrelevant.

My guess is that the election is presumed valid so long as it was carried out within the boundaries set by state law. Those laws are passed by the legislature which is empowered to represent the people. Those laws, like federal law often does, delegates responsibility to the Executive branch.

Option 1 is that you show that somebody violated the election law.

Option 2: show fraud on a scale that would change the result.

After you clear one of those hurdles, you get into remedies. Allowing one guy to come in and invalidate the WHOLE election because he doesn’t agree with the SOS’s decision that was made in March was never going to happen. He was able to vote. He suffered no harm. However, overturning the results of a specific county or the whole state would effectively disenfranchise all voters in the affected areas. They would be harmed.

A lawyer as experienced as Lin Woods knew or should have known that he wasn’t going to get the relief that he sought before he filed.

He was upselling his client/audience.

 

[1972 Grad]

Really?? Good grief. You do realize that in doing such a thing he could be screwing over the citizens of the country as well??

How about just taking the high road, leaving with dignity, and forming his own superpac and working his ass off to get people elected that believe what he believes??

Eye for an eye baby.

 

[1972 Grad]

Really?? Good grief. You do realize that in doing such a thing he could be screwing over the citizens of the country as well??

How about just taking the high road, leaving with dignity, and forming his own superpac and working his ass off to get people elected that believe what he believes??

You think Russiagate wasn't screwing over the country?

 

[Velo Vol]

What's the MAGA game plan going to be starting Tuesday?

 

[Stew Cook]

Eye for an eye baby. I don't get mad. I get even.

Much like when a Pope is chosen, you will know when Biden is official. There will be smoke coming from the WH chimney closest to the paper shredder.

 

[calban]

You think Russiagate wasn't screwing over the country?

Two attempted coups one by each party in 4 year period. We are officially a Banana Republic.

 

[Orangeburst]

You think Russiagate wasn't screwing over the country?

Basis the rhetoric of the last years, we should expect WWIII. Instead we will get a Big Red button from OfficeMax.

 

[AM64]

Obama and the Dems put their pettiness and desire to smear Trump above the country, no doubt in my mind.

I suppose if you omit the part about setting into motion and leaving in place an illegal investigation of the incoming president, Obama and clan showed no pettiness in 2016.

 

[1972 Grad]

Two attempted coups one by each party in 4 year period. We are officially a Banana Republic.

Little Deuce Coupe?

 

[1972 Grad]

I suppose if you omit the part about setting into motion and leaving in place an illegal investigation of the incoming president, Obama and clan showed no pettiness in 2016.

I know it won't happen, but I would like to see that POS get what he deserves.

 

[Stew Cook]

I know it won't happen, but I would like to see that POS get what he deserves.

Pretty sure Trump will... not sure what you think Obama did.

 

[AM64]

My guess is that the election is presumed valid so long as it was carried out within the boundaries set by state law. Those laws are passed by the legislature which is empowered to represent the people. Those laws, like federal law often does, delegates responsibility to the Executive branch.

Option 1 is that you show that somebody violated the election law.

Option 2: show fraud on a scale that would change the result.

After you clear one of those hurdles, you get into remedies. Allowing one guy to come in and invalidate the WHOLE election because he doesn’t agree with the SOS’s decision that was made in March was never going to happen. He was able to vote. He suffered no harm. However, overturning the results of a specific county or the whole state would effectively disenfranchise all voters in the affected areas. They would be harmed.

A lawyer as experienced as Lin Woods knew or should have known that he wasn’t going to get the relief that he sought before he filed.

He was upselling his client/audience.

I agree. It's an almost impossible hurdle to show that fraud would change the result since it's pretty much impossible for anyone to get access to the raw ballots or other records. I suspect that's why we have an almost (perhaps prefect) record of no election fraud.