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[McDad]

What about compound interest? Do we get to figure that into it?

So OK, I hear you. So if I'm fortunate enough to live to a ripe old age where I'm collecting more checks than I contributed, it swings to an entitlement in your mind? So what? Do I give a hoot about that when I'm 87.7 years old? What's your point?

With SS some people get less than they contribute. Some get more.

Whether you hoot, or live to be 87.7 doesn't change the entitlement. That is simply the point.

Some people are robbed of their resources because they passed early, some people are given an entitlement.

 

[McDad]

State Guard medical staff have been activated since March.

Do you know where they are stationed?

 

[utvolpj]

What about compound interest? Do we get to figure that into it?

So OK, I hear you. So if I'm fortunate enough to live to a ripe old age where I'm collecting more checks than I contributed, it swings to an entitlement in your mind? So what? Do I give a hoot about that when I'm 87.7 years old? What's your point?

With SS some people get less than they contribute. Some get more.

So conservativism has an age limit? Guess those youngsters can just suck it up and pay for the retirement you didn't properly plan for

 

[Carl Pickens]

Danish Study Questions Use of Masks to Protect Wearers

 

[volbeast33]

Staffing may be an issue. McRib's hospital will augment the rotation schedule during peak demand. Like I said earlier, the prognosis is much better now than it was early on.

By the way, the period between Thanksgiving and NYE is peak every year.

Just curious..... are the beds full or are they like they were here earlier this year.... we made entire areas into covid units..... the beds weren’t close to full but they also couldn’t be used by other patients

 

[Sea Ray]

Whether you hoot, or live to be 87.7 doesn't change the entitlement. That is simply the point.

Some people are robbed of their resources because they passed early, some people are given an entitlement.

What you describe is called insurance. This is how all insurance works. As for me personally, even by your standard I've got a lot to collect before it'll become an entitlement. I won't start collecting until I'm 70 or whatever the maximum age is at that time.

Since some people benefit and some people don't, we can't call the entire program an entitlement. Therefore I don't understand the point here

 

[McDad]

Just curious..... are the beds full or are they like they were here earlier this year.... we made entire areas into covid units..... the beds weren’t close to full but they also couldn’t be used by other patients

She is shared between two rural hospitals. Their covid wing is full. Some pts are xferred to ICU (I think the criteria is needing more than 5L of oxygen) and there are a few beds open in ICU.

The beds aren't staying full with the same people. It rotates about every 2 to 3 days with a new pt taking the place of the pt who recovered.

 

[Sea Ray]

So conservativism has an age limit? Guess those youngsters can just suck it up and pay for the retirement you didn't properly plan for

What do age limits have to do with conservatism? Youngsters can pay for my SS just like I'm paying for my parents. That's how it works. It's a Ponzi scheme

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[utvolpj]

What do age limits have to do with conservatism? Youngsters can pay for my SS just like I'm paying for my parents. That's how it works. It's a Ponzi scheme

Because redistribution is redistribution no matter the age

Ponzi scheme? In thought you were arguing it was insurance

 

[Sea Ray]

Ponzi scheme? In thought you were arguing it was insurance

It's both

 

[McDad]

What you describe is called insurance. This is how all insurance works. As for me personally, even by your standard I've got a lot to collect before it'll become an entitlement. I won't start collecting until I'm 70 or whatever the maximum age is at that time.

Since some people benefit and some people don't, we can't call the entire program an entitlement. Therefore I don't understand the point here

The people who receive more than they put in are receiving an entitlement from other tax payers.
I disagree with your insurance example. Insurance is private and you can choose to participate or not. You can also switch to other insurance groups which are more tailored to your situation.

You have no choice to in the government system.

 

[LouderVol]

Social Security is, in fact, not a form of communism - rather, it's a form of socialism. Socialism is wholly compatible with democracy and maintaining our liberties. Social Security is a great thing, and yeah, we all put money into a pot to pay for it - and, no, it's not a ponzie scheme. In fact, Social Security has run a net 'profit' for years (feds take in more $ for it than they spend on it), but our government continues to fail by spending this money - which should be earmarked and/or placed in a dedicated fund solely for SS.

Regardless, my point is that Joe Biden is not a communist, nor does he support any communist policies. Socialism, on the other hand, will continue to grow here in the US - just as it has in Europe. Obamacare (ACA) is a large step in this direction, and one that I believe is a net positive.

How is it not a ponzi scheme?

And the only reason it makes money it because of capitalism. The extra money goes into an account that creates interest. And further that overflow is decreasing every year. And is on track to stop being a net positive by 2035, well before I will start drawing from it.

And just like any ponzi scheme it will then require more money from those that put in to pay off the previous people.

 

[LouderVol]

I sure hope we avoid Draconian shutdowns but here's a question to the entire board:

Problem: hospitals in the state are getting (or projected to) overrun by C19 patients. They're running out of staff, rooms and beds. You're the governor. What do you do to alleviate this problem? I'm not interested in what you will not do. Tell me what they should do

This is a much bigger problem than shrugging it off as 99% survival rate

They have been running out of hospital beds since May.

We are facing boy who cries wolf situations.

 

[Sea Ray]

The people who receive more than they put in are receiving an entitlement from other tax payers.
I disagree with your insurance example. Insurance is private and you can choose to participate or not. You can also switch to other insurance groups which are more tailored to your situation.

You have no choice to in the government system.

You are correct that it's a mandatory thing. By your definition, some people will get an entitlement out of it because they'll receive more than they put in...but we don't know who those people will be, so what's your point? Is there a problem here that you're attempting to solve?

 

[MontyPython]

How is it not a ponzi scheme?

And the only reason it makes money it because of capitalism. The extra money goes into an account that creates interest. And further that overflow is decreasing every year. And is on track to stop being a net positive by 2035, well before I will start drawing from it.

And just like any ponzi scheme it will then require more money from those that put in to pay off the previous people.

No. This is incorrect.

Until the invested amounts are needed to pay benefits, the cash is intermingled with the Treasury's cash operations for the rest of the government.

So at some point in the theoretical future, it's not that the SS benefits we all put in will be insufficient, rather, the government will just have to reduce government spending elsewhere - if such need arose - and/or push the age of retirement eligibility higher (likely).

 

[OHvol40]

For a healthy person , trying to avoid a virus with a 99% survival rate is being soft , allowing the taskmaster to close down you private business, declare that you cannot gather for religious worship , or in your homes for thanksgiving and Christmas, wearing masks outside , shutting down a huge economy that will have untold lasting consequences.. is soft .

You can do things that support a healthy economy and still wear a mask. I never mentioned anything about shutdowns. Just another snowflake excuse.

 

[0nelilreb]

You can do things that support a healthy economy and still wear a mask. I never mentioned anything about shutdowns. Just another snowflake excuse.

I mentioned them because they are a real problem , ignoring the real problems to hide the healthy away, is ignorance. You don’t lock down your healthy people that keep the wheels moving for a virus that’s not dangerous to them . One day someone will look back at this and say .. Wtf were they thinking ?

 

[OHvol40]

The reluctance is not so simple, it comes from seeing a bunch of hated Big Brother/Nanny State loving socialists and their propaganda media using fear of a overhyped virus to control peoples lives.

Choosing not to wear a mask on principle is soft, and also oafish. To allow something like that to be politicized, as you obviously have, shows an absurd level of indoctrination that allows any sense of fellowship to be wiped away.

 

[OHvol40]

I mentioned them because they are a real problem , ignoring the real problems to hide the healthy away, is ignorance. You don’t lock down your healthy people that keep the wheels moving for a virus that’s not dangerous to them . One day someone will look back at this and say .. Wtf were they thinking ?

I haven’t mentioned lockdowns at all, so you must direct that frustration elsewhere.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I sure hope we avoid Draconian shutdowns but here's a question to the entire board:

Problem: hospitals in the state are getting (or projected to) overrun by C19 patients. They're running out of staff, rooms and beds. You're the governor. What do you do to alleviate this problem? I'm not interested in what you will not do. Tell me what they should do

This is a much bigger problem than shrugging it off as 99% survival rate

Great hospitals always have a high NEDOC census, that's the point.

Hospitals with terrible or cheap leadership are the ones having staffing, supply, and other issues

 

[Rickyvol77]

Pfizer to request coronavirus vaccine emergency use authorization ‘within days’

Knox County is getting about a 1,000 shipments of vaccine in December

 

[VolnJC]

Kyle Griffin Finds God

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Choosing not to wear a mask on principle is soft, and also oafish. To allow something like that to be politicized, as you obviously have, shows an absurd level of indoctrination that allows any sense of fellowship to be wiped away.

I wear a mask at work and when I go in stores.

Loss of freedom is not political, it is a very real issue for those of us that value it. We don't trust socialist/leftist state or national government to relinquish their new found control thanks to millions of coward sheep..but you can keep bending over for your taskmaster if you want.

 

[McDad]

You are correct that it's a mandatory thing. By your definition, some people will get an entitlement out of it because they'll receive more than they put in...but we don't know who those people will be, so what's your point? Is there a problem here that you're attempting to solve?

I would love to solve the problem. Truth is, no one here has the authority to change anything. So, my point ....is to understand others better and to help others understand better what is an entitlement.