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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I'm assuming you mean for those who don't work? I am not one of them, so it isn't an entitlement for me.
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No it's for anyone who ends up taking it more than they put in. Live long enough and that's going to happen unless you're ok with running a tab and getting cut off when you got your original contribution limit. Going back to work in your 80s should be fun right?
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I'm assuming you mean for those who don't work? I am not one of them, so it isn't an entitlement for me.
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I want to understand how you consider SS. I'll use an example which probably isn't your situation as a starting point.

If you pay in a total of $50,000 over your working years, and live to a ripe old age. Let's say you are paid out $150,000 until your demise. Has that payout crossed the line to entitlement? If not, does the payout ever cross the line to entitlement?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Just got back. I left the day before they shut everything down.

It was glorious. I'm actually about to post some pictures in the Pub Hiking thread. Also, chipmunks and mice taste like roasted chicken.
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I will def check those out.

The pics...not the roasted rodents.
 
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C-south said:
It’s like the ACA, the people that depend on it the most contribute (have contributed) the least.....or nothing.
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Absolutely..I can't afford insurance for me and my wife both, and I could before it, but scumbags that have never worked a day get everything taken care of...the "Affordable Care Act" is the biggest joke on lower middle class working people ever perpetrated by the Gubmint.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Like people who work in an operating room every day? It’s not hard, also a very odd hill to die on, so to speak. People hid from Nazis in a single room for years but we can’t be bothered wear a mask to go into a store.

If someone told me that wearing underwear on my head for a month might prevent a death I would do it, even if I don’t believe it to be true. The consequences of me being wrong are drastically different than the consequences of me being right. We’ve lost all sense of community in favor of individual liberties. That’s not where most of us grew up, but it’s where we live now.
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LOL if you mean this statement, you are even a bigger idiot than previously thought
 
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utvolpj said:
No it's for anyone who ends up taking it more than they put in. Live long enough and that's going to happen unless you're ok with running a tab and getting cut off when you got your original contribution limit. Going back to work in your 80s should be fun right?
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I think the same. The only slight point of departure, aren't people entitled to a reasonable interest growth on the money they've paid in?
 
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McDad said:
I want to understand how you consider SS. I'll use an example which probably isn't your situation as a starting point.

If you pay in a total of $50,000 over your working years, and live to a ripe old age. Let's say you are paid out $150,000 until your demise. Has that payout crossed the line to entitlement? If not, does the payout ever cross the line to entitlement?
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Good question..guess I am screwed...except that I am probably not going to live long enough to ever receive SS.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Good question..guess I am screwed...except that I am probably not going to live long enough to ever receive SS.
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Understood, my brother. Kinda rode hard and put up wet, I suppose.

But play along with me. Hypothetically if you received 3 times what you put in, does that cross into entitlement?
 
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McDad said:
Understood, my brother. Kinda rode hard and put up wet, I suppose.

But play along with me. Hypothetically if you received 3 times what you put in, does that cross into entitlement?
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I suppose it does...but I won't live into my 70s..I am in pretty bad shape already.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
That is the thing..if I could/would have invested that amount over the years..I would have been much better off.
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Absolutely, you would! There is not doubt. Even if it is in safe annuities, your ROI would be much higher. Bush 2 attempted to reform to give us that option and people squealed like stuck pigs.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I suppose it does...but I won't live into my 70s..I am in pretty bad shape already.
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The bold is where it gets tricky. And to be transparent with you, I don't have where the line is crossed figured out. But like you, I think at some point people are getting way more than they put in and SS became a de facto entitlement to them.

Appreciate the discussion, McGill.
 
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McDad said:
it is not analogous to working in an OR. You have an ethical and legal responsibility to do no harm to your patient. You also do much more than wear a mask. Plus, your mask is different than what we see in public.
The nazi example is off as well. People hid from the Nazis to save themselves.
I support you wearing anything you want. If you want to wear undies on your head, it makes no difference to me.

Masks are a symbol, now. Reminds me of Kramer walking in the Aids march and not wanting to wear the ribbon. I can accomplish the same level of safety without a mask with my limited public interaction.
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I see a lot of people walking around with the same white/blue/yellow simple mask that we utilize in the OR. They are one in the same.

You’re off on the conclusion from the Nazi comparison. It’s not about comparing the plights or motivations, it’s about the difference between generations in their willingness to be uncomfortable. I’ve seen a lot of people on this board complain about current generations being “soft” or “snowflakes.” The reluctance to do something as simple as wearing a mask just reinforces that notion.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I see a lot of people walking around with the same white/blue/yellow simple mask that we utilize in the OR. They are one in the same.

You’re off on the conclusion from the Nazi comparison. It’s not about comparing the plights or motivations, it’s about the difference between generations in their willingness to be uncomfortable. I’ve seen a lot of people on this board complain about current generations being “soft” or “snowflakes.” The reluctance to do something as simple as wearing a mask just reinforces that notion.
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For a healthy person , trying to avoid a virus with a 99% survival rate is being soft , allowing the taskmaster to close down you private business, declare that you cannot gather for religious worship , or in your homes for thanksgiving and Christmas, wearing masks outside , shutting down a huge economy that will have untold lasting consequences.. is soft .
 
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McDad said:
I think the same. The only slight point of departure, aren't people entitled to a reasonable interest growth on the money they've paid in?
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Not from the govt. No different than those who get a "tax refund" with zero interest.

I would only expect it on a private investment
 
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McDad said:
I want to understand how you consider SS. I'll use an example which probably isn't your situation as a starting point.

If you pay in a total of $50,000 over your working years, and live to a ripe old age. Let's say you are paid out $150,000 until your demise. Has that payout crossed the line to entitlement? If not, does the payout ever cross the line to entitlement?
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Not at all. It's the way the system works. By your thinking my Anthem is an entitlement because of what my wife's breast cancer cost. It's an insurance that you buy into. The payout is based on what you pay into it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
If someone told me that wearing underwear on my head for a month might prevent a death I would do it, even if I don’t believe it to be true. The consequences of me being wrong are drastically different than the consequences of me being right. We’ve lost all sense of community in favor of individual liberties. That’s not where most of us grew up, but it’s where we live now.
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Absolute nonsense and utter lies.

You are capable of spreading influenza. That kills people. So are you now going to wear a mask forever? It is possible you kill someone via an auto accident you cause. Are you giving up driving?

Not sure what is worse, how stupid your claim is or how false it is
 
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0nelilreb said:
For a healthy person , trying to avoid a virus with a 99% survival rate is being soft , allowing the taskmaster to close down you private business, declare that you cannot gather for religious worship , or in your homes for thanksgiving and Christmas, wearing masks outside , shutting down a huge economy that will have untold lasting consequences.. is soft .
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I sure hope we avoid Draconian shutdowns but here's a question to the entire board:

Problem: hospitals in the state are getting (or projected to) overrun by C19 patients. They're running out of staff, rooms and beds. You're the governor. What do you do to alleviate this problem? I'm not interested in what you will not do. Tell me what they should do

This is a much bigger problem than shrugging it off as 99% survival rate
 
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OHvol40 said:
I see a lot of people walking around with the same white/blue/yellow simple mask that we utilize in the OR. They are one in the same.

You’re off on the conclusion from the Nazi comparison. It’s not about comparing the plights or motivations, it’s about the difference between generations in their willingness to be uncomfortable. I’ve seen a lot of people on this board complain about current generations being “soft” or “snowflakes.” The reluctance to do something as simple as wearing a mask just reinforces that notion.
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We can agree that there are many wearing a mask which would not be acceptable in your operating room, yes?

If you are going to compare Jews hiding in fear of their life and people wearing masks and root that comparison in the choice to be uncomfortable, I would offer you a different willingness on masks. I am not anti mask because I am soft. I am anti mask because I have freedom of choice. My choice doesn't have to make sense to anyone. I choose to be safe and cautious in other ways which do the same as masking. Simple.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Not at all. It's the way the system works. By your thinking my Anthem is an entitlement because of what my wife's breast cancer cost. It's an insurance that you buy into. The payout is based on what you pay into it.
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SS is not insurance. Insurance is a gamble by the providers that they will take in more than they pay out. The govt should not be driving for a profit with our SS money. Taking out more money than you put in is an entitlement. Same as the rest of them provided by the govt
 
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