8 Vols assistants reject UT pay cut to help with losses due to covid

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SmokyRiverDog said:
Maybe look up ethical in the dictionary and start there. I think you have latched onto the wrong term.
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You mean to do what is morally right? I’m not sure what’s so difficult about this. Is it right to TEMPORARILY willingly forgo excess money in order to help someone else retain their job? Or to CHOOSE your excess while a DESERVING person loses their job? What is wrong with you all? Am I alone in seeing this!?!?!?! Sweet Lord what has our country come to!?
 
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howie87 said:
I'm not wasting any more time on you... Your post just confirmed the last thing I said to be 100.00% true...
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I’m sorry you felt like it was appropriate to attack my mental acuity. Because I think something different doesn’t mean that I’m not intelligent. I understand everything that you’re saying, I just don’t agree with it. I think that ethics are tied directly to morality. And obviously, our country has very very different views on what is morally acceptable and what is not. I grew up in a time, here in East Tennessee, when people were willing to help each other out.

I never said that the university was not fiscally irresponsible. They are. I never said that these employees are not owed what they signed a contract for. They are. I said that I felt like it was unethical for them to choose to not be a part of the solution. They have excess while others are going to lose their job. Those are the facts. If I had to choose a friend, employer, or a coworker that looked at things like you, or like me, I think I would choose to be in a situation with people that viewed things like me.
 
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hog88 said:
Good for you. Do you think less of your coworkers that didn't?
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I have no idea who did and who didn’t. The only way I could fairly answer this is if someone was in the same situation that I was in and CHOSE not to. I do know that we did not have to make any layoffs at all at a $60 million company that has 12 locations in three states. Everyone retained their jobs and we are actually now almost back where we were pre-pandemic. And, we appreciate each other more than we did before we went through this. That’s what healthy well-led teams looks like.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
You mean to do what is morally right? I’m not sure what’s so difficult about this. Is it right to TEMPORARILY willingly forgo excess money in order to help someone else retain their job? Or to CHOOSE your excess while a DESERVING person loses their job? What is wrong with you all? Am I alone in seeing this!?!?!?! Sweet Lord what has our country come to!?
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Dude, if THAT person's job does not generate revenue for the University, then NO(!), it is NOT anyone else's responsibility to give their income just so they can have a job... What the **** kind of sense is that???

You've not understood this yet... It's not the job of the petroleum engineer to offset the lost wages of the feminist dance instructor because feminist dance classes aren't profitable... That's the market correcting itself...

A lot of employees at the University can thank the football program for their jobs even existing in the first place... Like this is literally the easiest concept in the world to understand...

Serious question, how old are you??? I'm genuinely interested, because this is an extremely naive and underdeveloped take, but it's a common one among people in their early to possibly mid 20s, I think... I'm 33 for the record...
 
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howie87 said:
Dude, if THAT person's job does not generate revenue for the University, then NO(!), it is NOT anyone else's responsibility to give their income just so they can have a job... What the **** kind of sense is that???

You've not understood this yet... It's not the job of the petroleum engineer to offset the lost wages of the feminist dance instructor because feminist dance classes aren't profitable... That's the market correcting itself...

A lot of employees at the University can thank the football program for their jobs even existing in the first place... Like this is literally the easiest concept in the world to understand...

Serious question, how old are you??? I'm genuinely interested, because this is an extremely naive and underdeveloped take, but it's a common one among people in their early to possibly mid 20s, I think... I'm 33 for the record...
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I’m 39. Unfortunately, you’re missing the point. I’m not talking about people in different departments at UT getting cut. I’m talking about people WITHIN the football department itself. You do realize that people within our football program lost employment, right? People that make the entire football program work like ushers, food service staff, janitors, and many other types of professions that make the football program work. There are more employees than just the coaches.
ALL Of those employees make the football program what it is. They all play a role in making sure that the football experience at the University is what it supposed to be. When you start cutting those other positions then it is all related.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
I’m 39. Unfortunately, you’re missing the point. I’m not talking about people in different departments at UT getting cut. I’m talking about people WITHIN the football department itself. You do realize that people within our football program lost employment, right? People that make the entire football program work like ushers, food service staff, janitors, and many other types of professions that make the football program work. There are more employees than just the coaches.
ALL Of those employees make the football program what it is. They all play a role in making sure that the football experience at the University is what it supposed to be. When you start cutting those other positions then it is all related.
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None of those people would have been retained no matter how big of a pay cut the coaches took.
 
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howie87 said:
Dude, if THAT person's job does not generate revenue for the University, then NO(!), it is NOT anyone else's responsibility to give their income just so they can have a job... What the **** kind of sense is that???

You've not understood this yet... It's not the job of the petroleum engineer to offset the lost wages of the feminist dance instructor because feminist dance classes aren't profitable... That's the market correcting itself...

A lot of employees at the University can thank the football program for their jobs even existing in the first place... Like this is literally the easiest concept in the world to understand...

Serious question, how old are you??? I'm genuinely interested, because this is an extremely naive and underdeveloped take, but it's a common one among people in their early to possibly mid 20s, I think... I'm 33 for the record...
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Let me give you a simple example so you’ll understand where I’m coming from. I’m commission only sales. I make a percentage of the profit of everything that I sell. I get reimbursement for several things like mileage, iPad, phone, and various small expenses that are allowed to sell more product and make more money.

I have internal people that work at my company that do the ordering, logistics, drive and deliver the product, install the product that I sell. These people play a vital part in my entire company working. If they don’t perform properly then it makes my job more difficult.

During the pandemic we realized that we were going to have a shortfall, just like many other businesses out there. It’s nobody’s fault internally at my company. I voluntarily chose to pay for some of those reimbursable items and take a small percentage cut so that the internal people and robbers would be able to not get their hours cut. If I was living check to check and had no excess then I would not be able to do this. In THAT Scenario I don’t feel like it would be unethical for me to make a different decision. But, because I could, I felt like I should.

I had every right to continue to take my full commission and get reimbursed for those expenses. But, in my heart I knew what was right, so I did it. I’m sure that my decision played a role in keeping a lot of the internal people working for 40 hour weeks and staying employed. I honestly don’t know what’s so difficult to see here.
 
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hog88 said:
None of those people would have been retained no matter how big of a pay cut the coaches took.
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How can you possibly be qualified to make this type of statement? I mean, maybe you are. Maybe you work in the football department. In that case, maybe you do know.
 
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Mightyvol said:
Barnes isn’t a Fulmer success story. If a change is made....Fulmer won’t be within smelling distance of the fire or hire of a UT football HC....IMHO.
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The Barnes hire wasn't a Fulmer success story but keeping him away from UCLA can be spun as a success story. If you see some type of fluff piece on Harper, Barnes, or Vitello the next couple of weeks, that further leads me to think that Fulmer is going into self-preservation mode.....
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
I love UT with all of my heart but there is ZERO chance that I would ever take a voluntary pay cut if I were a coach. That’s hilarious
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Clearly, you don’t love it with ALL your heart. I mean, come on. I’d give my life for a friend or loved one. Taking a paycut for something you love with “all your heart” is not something you’d do?
 
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BalledUPfists said:
You mean to do what is morally right? I’m not sure what’s so difficult about this. Is it right to TEMPORARILY willingly forgo excess money in order to help someone else retain their job? Or to CHOOSE your excess while a DESERVING person loses their job? What is wrong with you all? Am I alone in seeing this!?!?!?! Sweet Lord what has our country come to!?
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Yes, you are alone. They have a contract, and it is highly moral to live by the binding agreement that was signed. No ones job was tied directly to the assistants' pay. If it is, that is a failing on the part of the Athletics Department. The moral failing would be theirs. I consider it a moral failure to ask the assistants to alter the terms of their contract during its active period. I can see where fans of virtue signaling would be confused.
 
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