To Protect and to Serve II

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dovervolz said:
You’re right Ricky, but you can’t fix stupid so it’s best to leave hog alone.
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I don't think hog is stupid, and usually i agree with him on a lot of topics, but the legal basis for private property and public property and your rights to be there are clear
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It's not being a "sheep" to understand basic laws
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The "sheep" part is not having a firm grasp of the difference between what is legal and what is right. Just because you are allowed to legally do something, that doesn't make it right. Likewise, just because something is illegal, that doesn't make it wrong.

Laws a lot of times have no foundation in basic common sense or natural law.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I don't think hog is stupid, and usually i agree with him on a lot of topics, but the legal basis for private property and public property and your rights to be there are clear
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Again, you are blinded by the letter of the law, yet don't use common sense to say, "You know, we shouldn't be tasing and arresting people for not wearing a mask".

Edit: Or, we shouldn't be throwing people out of open air stadiums for not wearing a mask. Or, the thought should at least cross your mind that it really wasn't but 6 months ago that none of this would have been an issue, whether on private or public property.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, you are blinded by the letter of the law, yet don't use common sense to say, "You know, we shouldn't be tasing and arresting people for not wearing a mask".

Edit: Or, we shouldn't be throwing people out of open air stadiums for not wearing a mask. Or, the thought should at least cross your mind that it really wasn't but 6 months ago that none of this would have been an issue, whether on private or public property.
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No one was tased for not wearing a mask, they were tased and arrested for refusing to leave when told to, by people who had the legal authority to do so
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No one was tased for not wearing a mask, they were tased and arrested for refusing to leave when told to, by people who had the legal authority to do so
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And you still dont get it. 6 months ago no one was kicked out of a public or private building or open air facility for not wearing a damn mask. All you cops do is help to feed into this nonsense by putting people in cuffs and throwing them in squads cars. This entire situation is bogus.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And you still dont get it. 6 months ago no one was kicked out of a public or private building or open air facility for mot wearing a damn mask. All you cops do is help to feed into this nonsense by putting people in cuffs and throwing them in squads cars. This entire situation is bogus.
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People are arrested for refusing to leave or abide by rules in public buildings all the time. Way before covid. And way after covid
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
People are arrested for refusing to leave or abide by rules in public buildings all the time. Way before covid. And way after covid
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Just curious, do you always blindly follow the "rules" no matter how stupid or ridiculous they are? Wearing a mask is not a law that needs to be obeyed.
 
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VolStrom said:
Just curious, do you always blindly follow the "rules" no matter how stupid or ridiculous they are? Wearing a mask is not a law that needs to be obeyed.
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No matter how stupid you think a rule may be you don’t have a choice on other people’s property to do what you want to
 
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VolStrom said:
So are you required to enforce laws or rules?
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If someone has authority to ask someone to leave their property for any reason and they refuse the police can and will remove them because it’s not their property. Happens every day all over the country. Schools, stores, gas stations, hospitals, everywhere. The person can follow the rules set or freely leave the property but they can’t do neither
 
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VolStrom said:
Just as a follow up, if I have a rule that anyone that comes on my property if required to be naked, are you going to enforce that "rule"?
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No but if you ask the police to remove someone who refuses toget naked and refuses to leave when you asked, they can be arrested. Not hard to get
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No but if you ask the police to remove someone who refuses toget naked and refuses to leave when you asked, they can be arrested. Not hard to get
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You guys have seriously lost your way in enforcing law because you don't see the spirit of it anymore just the letter of it.
 
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VolStrom said:
You guys have seriously lost your way in enforcing law because you don't see the spirit of it anymore just the letter of it.
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I call Bs. You can be selective and give warnings all day long without arresting someone but when a moron goes on someone else’s property and refuses to leave when asked for any reason that is on them and they deserve to be arrested
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No but if you ask the police to remove someone who refuses toget naked and refuses to leave when you asked, they can be arrested. Not hard to get
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You don't see an issue with police getting involved in something as petty as a guest being nude or not? Or wearing a mask or not?

I understand what you are saying about being able to have rules on your property. I'm just saying that having the police come in and insert themselves in these petty house rules is nonsense. I'm surprised that you can't see the simplicity in my argument. You don't need to be the mask police or the nude guess police or the "this guy won't leave the house after I invited him for drinks and reefer" police. Unless someone is being physically threatened or injured or property is being damaged, the police should practice a bit of discreation inserting themselves in petty azz rules.

Police should be going after killers and thieves.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You don't see an issue with police getting involved in something as petty as a guest being nude or not? Or wearing a mask or not?

I understand what you are saying about being able to have rules on your property. I'm just saying that having the police come in and insert themselves in these petty house rules is nonsense. I'm surprised that you can't see the simplicity in my argument. You don't need to be the mask police or the nude guess police or the "this guy won't leave the house after I invited him for drinks and reefer" police. Unless someone is being physically threatened or injured or property is being damaged, the police should practice a bit of discreation inserting themselves in petty azz rules.

Police should be going after killers and thieves.
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People have a right to protect their property. If someone comes up and refuses to leave it for any reason after being asked, it is acceptable to remove them via arrest. You or anyone else have no right to go onto others property when asked to leave. Period.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I call Bs. You can be selective and give warnings all day long without arresting someone but when a moron goes on someone else’s property and refuses to leave when asked for any reason that is on them and they deserve to be arrested
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So you just follow the letter of the law. Your brain cells and common sense are turned off. A cop put in that position should have never put hands on someone for not wearing a damn mask. That is just buffoonsish and tyrannical.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So you just follow the letter of the law. Your brain cells and common sense are turned off. A cop put in that position should have never put hands on someone for not wearing a damn mask. That is just buffoonsish and tyrannical.
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Again the mask is not the actual issue. She was on someone else’s property and was told to leave and she refused several times Go try to take a bath at 7pm at your kids school or wear a nazi t shirt at church and don’t leave or go smoke in the middle of a hospital lobby. You’ll be arrested everytime and rightly so if you refuse to leave. You have no right to do anything on someone else’s property anymore than a homeless guy has the right to come up on your porch and squat and take a sh**
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
People have a right to protect their property. If someone comes up and refuses to leave it for any reason after being asked, it is acceptable to remove them via arrest. You or anyone else have no right to go onto others property when asked to leave. Period.
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I'm not arguing against property rights. I am arguing for common sense and discretion.

As a property owner myself, I am fully aware of and guarded about who I invite to my home... and aware of the consequences of engaging in certain activities at my home (alcohol, gambling, partying, etc.). So if someone comes to my house and is belligerent after having one too many... well stop... back up for a minute. I am not going to knowing invite an angry drunk to my home... or an gambler that is a sore loser to a poker game... or whatever. And plus, if I have people over that are going to drink, in the back of my mind, I have to be aware or come to terms with the idea that maybe someone will spill a drink on the floor or on furniture. Or that someone that I invited may surprise me and get out of hand or have a guest that I do not know get out of hand. These are all things a responsible homeowner should be aware of going in to these situations. I am not condoning guests spilling drinks or whatever, I'm just saying that you have to expect it to happen, and not be ready to bum's rush a person out or call the cops at the first sign of trouble.

Having said that, this school did not have the same level of decency or expectations from the general public that I would have for guests that I invite to my home. That school should have been more than willing to expect certain people to not wear masks. Instead of being a guest with some level of common sense and decency, they chose to be authoritarians. And really, I am criticizing the school for not exercising common sense about how they handled this, when the truth is, they showed that they didn't have common sense by even coming up with a stupid azz mask mandate in an outdoor stadium.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again the mask is not the actual issue. She was on someone else’s property and was told to leave and she refused several times Go try to take a bath at 7pm at your kids school or wear a nazi t shirt at church and don’t leave or go smoke in the middle of a hospital lobby. You’ll be arrested everytime and rightly so if you refuse to leave. You have no right to do anything on someone else’s property anymore than a homeless guy has the right to come up on your porch and squat and take a sh**
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If I call the police to my home, and I have a house guest that is not wearing a mask after I made it clear that those were the rules in my home, do you think the police are obligated to and enforce an edict that I made with regards to my property? Maybe obligated isn't the best term... maybe is that a good use of police time and resources?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again the mask is not the actual issue. She was on someone else’s property and was told to leave and she refused several times Go try to take a bath at 7pm at your kids school or wear a nazi t shirt at church and don’t leave or go smoke in the middle of a hospital lobby. You’ll be arrested everytime and rightly so if you refuse to leave. You have no right to do anything on someone else’s property anymore than a homeless guy has the right to come up on your porch and squat and take a sh**
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Discretion
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If I call the police to my home, and I have a house guest that is not wearing a mask after I made it clear that those were the rules in my home, do you think the police are obligated to and enforce an edict that I made with regards to my property? Maybe obligated isn't the best term... maybe is that a good use of police time and resources?
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they might ask why you have this guest as a friend
 
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VolStrom said:
Just as a follow up, if I have a rule that anyone that comes on my property if required to be naked, are you going to enforce that "rule"?
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Yes. If the refuse to get naked and refuse to leave because of it the police should absolutely remove them if you instruct them too.
 
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