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[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I agree with everything about JG 100%, but I also cringe every time I see our backups drop back because they are extremely unsafe with the football and have HORRIBLE decision making ability.

Our backups have not had enough snaps for a baseline assessment, especially JT.

 

[sjt18]

Why am I not surprised you don’t recall shrout throwing into double coverage and immediately getting yanked

Not sure why you are accusing me. I just don't remember it. Why would you be surprised that a guy seeing his first real action would throw into double coverage? JG still does it.

My take was that Shrout was pulled because he was making bad line calls and decisions.

 

[BruinVol]

..now PFF rates him unfavorably because he was abysmal on 3rd down and missed wide open receivers and was awful on 3rd down .

oops.

If only you posted truthful stuff
PFF actually gave JG a solid score for this weekend



Now let’s watch how quickly PFF falls out of favor..... it’s actually hilarious the hypocrisy when it comes to such ratings around here

 

[sjt18]

oops.

If only you posted truthful stuff
PFF actually gave JG a solid score for this weekend



Now let’s watch how quickly PFF falls out of favor..... it’s actually hilarious the hypocrisy when it comes to such ratings around here

Is PFF info available somewhere or is it a pay site?

 

[BruinVol]

Not sure why you are accusing me. I just don't remember it. Why would you be surprised that a guy seeing his first real action would throw into double coverage? JG still does it.

My take was that Shrout was pulled because he was making bad line calls and decisions.

JG didn’t throw into coverage at this weekend and that is one reason I am excited about his growth

in shrouta first “start” against usce he had 3 throws before getting pulled even after a FG drive

1) threw into double coverage.
2) nice 3rd down pick up on 3rd and short
3) and slung up a prayer from the pocket under pressure that luckily wasn’t called grounding that would have taken us out of FG range on 3rd down

so yea not good but I agree it’s a very small sample size

 

[BruinVol]

Is PFF info available somewhere or is it a pay site?

Pay site but a poster posted grades
I put it here yesterday

 

[sjt18]

JG didn’t throw into coverage at this weekend and that is one reason I am excited about his growth

in shrouta first “start” against usce he had 3 throws before getting pulled even after a FG drive

1) threw into double coverage.
2) nice 3rd down pick up on 3rd and short
3) and slung up a prayer from the pocket under pressure that luckily wasn’t called grounding that would have taken us out of FG range on 3rd down

so yea not good but I agree it’s a very small sample size

My take was that they planned to put JG in from the start. Do you think that was not the case?

 

[BruinVol]

Here you go

PFF player grades

 

[tennrich1]

He's not Peyton or Tee accurate for sure BUT if he continues to protect the football like he did Saturday night and our run game improves I'll be ok with JG at QB. Just let the turnovers roll up if we go with a different QB and people will be screaming for a "offense manager" again. I am confident if we had a better option at QB HE WOULD BE PLAYING. Now i know what Bill Murray's character in Groundhog Day felt like.

 

[BruinVol]

My take was that they planned to put JG in from the start. Do you think that was not the case?

Possibly but 12 made that easy

 

[dcm3w]

He's still late with his decisions and does not anticipate well. However his throw to #5 for a TD was good on both accounts.

The problem is that "improved" still isn't good enough. He has to do it consistently. UT just cannot afford to miss plays like that early throw over Keyton down the sideline. A well thrown ball extends the drive. A ball thrown on target and a half count earlier gives Keyton an opportunity to get by the safety and score.

That's his problem... consistency.

JG has made great plays and he's made terrible plays but it's hard to judge what he will do at one given play. I'm not sure he has the control "switch" that some athletes have.

 

[BeardedVol]

JG didn’t throw into coverage at this weekend and that is one reason I am excited about his growth

in shrouta first “start” against usce he had 3 throws before getting pulled even after a FG drive

1) threw into double coverage.
2) nice 3rd down pick up on 3rd and short
3) and slung up a prayer from the pocket under pressure that luckily wasn’t called grounding that would have taken us out of FG range on 3rd down

so yea not good but I agree it’s a very small sample size

Part if the reason that he didn't throw into coverage Saturday, is because USCe DBs didn't really cover our wide receivers most of the night.

 

[sjt18]

That's his problem... consistency.

JG has made great plays and he's made terrible plays but it's hard to judge what he will do at one given play. I'm not sure he has the control "switch" that some athletes have.

I think you can link it to specific types of plays and how long he has to "think" about his throw.

 

[sjt18]

Part if the reason that he didn't throw into coverage Saturday, is because USCe DBs didn't really cover our wide receivers most of the night.

They really didn't... and that's a good sign. More speed.

 

[sjt18]

Possibly but 12 made that easy

I would not have expected him to play again later if he were "pulled" for performance. He came back in and threw the best pass of the game.

 

[m1al]

He's not Peyton or Tee accurate for sure BUT if he continues to protect the football like he did Saturday night and our run game improves I'll be ok with JG at QB. Just let the turnovers roll up if we go with a different QB and people will be screaming for a "offense manager" again. I am confident if we had a better option at QB HE WOULD BE PLAYING. Now i know what Bill Murray's character in Groundhog Day felt like.

It's not a given they would be interception machines. With our coaching staff, surely further development has taken place, correct?

That said, wouldn't it be nice to see the offense NOT sputter against average defenses in games that really shouldn't be very close. That way the younger guys could more naturally develop with actual 'in game' reps.

One thing that's hard to argue though, if JG continues this 'high and wide' crap we consistently see from him it will cost us against tighter coverage from better defenses and end up getting him benched.

Then we'll find out about the backups, the hard way.

 

[sjt18]

He's not Peyton or Tee accurate for sure BUT if he continues to protect the football like he did Saturday night and our run game improves I'll be ok with JG at QB. Just let the turnovers roll up if we go with a different QB and people will be screaming for a "offense manager" again. I am confident if we had a better option at QB HE WOULD BE PLAYING. Now i know what Bill Murray's character in Groundhog Day felt like.

Honestly, if a guy is pushing the envelope enough there will be some turnovers. I could live with JG's "stat line" a lot better if he'd thrown 4 TD's and an INT.... than being 0-2 in the RZ and 1-7 on third down.

I know it is a different O and am not surprised that LSU appears to have dropped off significantly... but if I were an MSU fan I'd be just fine with Costello's two picks with 5 TD's. Contrary to conventional wisdom... turnovers did not cost them the game but the chances they took in the passing game did win it for them.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

He's not Peyton or Tee accurate for sure BUT if he continues to protect the football like he did Saturday night and our run game improves I'll be ok with JG at QB. Just let the turnovers roll up if we go with a different QB and people will be screaming for a "offense manager" again. I am confident if we had a better option at QB HE WOULD BE PLAYING. Now i know what Bill Murray's character in Groundhog Day felt like.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but Besides one game against South Carolina, I never have viewed Tee Martin as an accurate quarterback. Actually, his 10-25 yard throws were a lot like JG’s.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I think you can link it to specific types of plays and how long he has to "think" about his throw.

Because he can't "think" according to you.
Why can't he "think" is it his brain? How is it that QBs who make bad decisions aren't considered by you to not be able to "think" but QBs that make good decisions and protect the football can't "think"? I would have thought it would be the exact opposite.

 

[Tnphil]

I agree with a lot of what you said, but Besides one game against South Carolina, I never have viewed Tee Martin as an accurate quarterback. Actually, his 10-25 yard throws were a lot like JG’s.

1998 Tee's completion % was 57.3
1999 54.1

 

[RDU VOL#14]

1998 Tee's completion % was 57.3
1999 54.1

Tee definitely made some plays, but his passing ability held him back some. Blows my mind when people come on here and say Tee was the best quarterback in UT history.

 

[de1conley]

He has improved imo...

Please show me where he has improved

 

[sjt18]

Because he can't "think" according to you.

You are lying again. I have NEVER said anything of the sort. He does not process fast enough. Never has. He still showed signs of it vs USCe.

Why can't he "think" is it his brain? How is it that QBs who make bad decisions aren't considered by you to not be able to "think" but QBs that make good decisions and protect the football can't "think"? I would have thought it would be the exact opposite.

Some people think faster than others. They process information faster. They have an easier time with things becoming "instinctive". Some people are more abstract thinkers. Some are more concrete. "Good" QB's not only make good decisions... they make them quick.

Protecting the football is great... so long as you also find and hit the receivers that move the O and score points. If "protecting the football" is more a function of taking the "easy" throw or check down even if it doesn't consistently produce drives... then not so much. I really don't expect you to really even "think" about what I just said much less apply it to JG's career. But there it is.

 

[sjt18]

Please show me where he has improved

The TD to Palmer was his best throw as a Vol IMO. I think Littlevol has a point when he says that he seemed to go through progressions and throw to the right guy. He's still just too slow pulling the trigger and doesn't anticipate throws well consistently. The TD was an example where all of it worked.

 

[BeardedVol]

Please show me where he has improved

Improved is a relative term. Did he play like a 4*-rated 5th year Senior on Saturday? No, and he most likely never will at UT, but he didn't stare down his receivers, and made decent choices in who to throw to, even if he did over/underthrow the ball.

Pruitt is never going to swap him out as long as he isn't turning the ball over, as he is still working under the mindset that an average of 24 points-per-game is enough to win most games if the defense is doing their job well.