- Quarterback Rating - Advanced Database

[BruinVol]

Yeah. You keep throwing this one out there... have you gone back and looked at the video yet? It wasn't a horrible throw. JG got away with significantly worse throws. I often quibble with the idea that a WR should catch any ball he can put a hand on... but that was a very catchable ball.

Except I haven't said he didn't make any bad throws. I have said he was more accurate than JG and made fewer bad throws in spite of having significantly less talent around him. And... he led his weaker team to more points and yardage than JG. He was effective on 3rd down. He completed a higher % against what should be a better D. He also made more "good" throws... and several skinny posts and slants that JG has never shown the ability to throw well.

Pretty crazy to take the QB that made game losing plays over the one that made game winning ones but then again as I said Before the predetermined bias is strong here.

ill predict JG is 22/34 Saturday for 275 and 3 TDs in a 34-17 win and you along with many others will
Claim he played poorly. Already determined the reaction I’m sure

 

[TennVols12]

Yeah. You keep throwing this one out there... have you gone back and looked at the video yet? It wasn't a horrible throw. JG got away with significantly worse throws. I often quibble with the idea that a WR should catch any ball he can put a hand on... but that was a very catchable ball.

Except I haven't said he didn't make any bad throws. I have said he was more accurate than JG and made fewer bad throws in spite of having significantly less talent around him. And... he led his weaker team to more points and yardage than JG. He was effective on 3rd down. He completed a higher % against what should be a better D. He also made more "good" throws... and several skinny posts and slants that JG has never shown the ability to throw well.

I typically agree with most of your posts on VN...but...if you’re “quibbling” with the idea that the WR should catch any ball they can get a hand on (I don’t necessarily disagree) then the majority of the “high throws” that JG has should have been caught..

 

[TennVols12]

Pretty crazy to take the QB that made game losing plays over the one that made game winning ones but then again as I said Before the predetermined bias is strong here.

ill predict JG is 22/34 Saturday for 275 and 3 TDs in a 34-17 win and you along with many others will
Claim he played poorly. Already determined the reaction I’m sure

But...but...he over threw a wide open Palmer AND took 2 sacks that he just can’t take in those situations. We would’ve won by 24 if he didn’t do those things....bench him now!

 

[sjt18]

I typically agree with most of your posts on VN...but...if you’re “quibbling” with the idea that the WR should catch any ball they can get a hand on (I don’t necessarily disagree) then the majority of the “high throws” that JG has should have been caught..

I quibble because I do not believe that adage is true.

 

[m1al]

LOL, the irony of your post.

It was the truth... hahaha

 

[sjt18]

Pretty crazy to take the QB that made game losing plays over the one that made game winning ones but then again as I said Before the predetermined bias is strong here.

Yes. You obviously have a predetermined bias that will not allow you to look at the two QB's and what they did in the context of the talent around them or the actual accuracy and quality of the passes they threw.

ill predict JG is 22/34 Saturday for 275 and 3 TDs in a 34-17 win and you along with many others will
Claim he played poorly. Already determined the reaction I’m sure

When he played well vs USCe, Mizzou, and UK last year... I was ready and even anxious to believe he had turned the corner. It will take more than good games against bad teams to convince me at this point. But if he has that stat line and doesn't miss wide open receivers and leads guys consistently well... and leads UT's O to more than 30 points vs an FBS opponent for the first time in his career... then that will be a step toward convincing me.

In a game where he threw way too many discouraging balls... he also threw what I believe to be the best throw of his career at UT. The TD to Palmer was a great read. He was on time. And he led Palmer perfectly. It cannot be done any better than JG did it on that play. But I personally need to see far more of that before saying he's truly improved. I'm not even too concerned about a few off target throws. As you rightly point out, almost every QB has them almost every game. My continuing concern is that he's late and doesn't anticipate well. I think he was rushing on most of those overthrows trying to "catch up" to his read.

 

[m1al]

Personally, I think JG is a middle of the road SEC QB.

But it's so annoying watching people pull stats out of their a#$ to try to defend their position that he's either "THE WORST QB OF ALL-TIME!" or "A TOP SEC QB!"

He's average. Frustratingly average. He shows glimpses that he can be better, but he then always follows it up at some point with plays that make you want to bang your head against the wall. I've thought for so long that we'd see more of the good and less of the bad, but the ratio just always seems to stay the same.

The "I'D TAKE ANY QB OVER JG" crowd is wrong. There's a reason he's stayed the starter. He's just good enough to beat out a bunch of underclassmen. But not much more than that. If it weren't for the screwed up Covid offseason, I think there'd be a good chance that Bailey, Shrout, or Maurer would pass him on the depth chart, but Covid has really set back everyone's development, giving JG an edge as the most experienced QB.

It is what it is. I hope JG proves everyone wrong this season, but I suspect we'll see moments of genius, followed by moments that frustrate all of us.

Agreed..

For me, it has just gotten old, cringing every time JG drops back to pass because I know not where the ball will end up. I have little confidence in him as a QB. These 'nail biters' that SHOULDN'T BE, have become tiring beginning their 4th year. I understand why people defend him. He's a good guy and he's our good guy. However, I find myself looking forward to the day when he's gone and someone else is back there, win or lose.

I HATE that feeling because I really like JG and LOVE my Vols....

 

[sjt18]

Agreed..

For me, it has just gotten old, cringing every time JG drops back to pass because I know not where the ball will end up. I have little confidence in him as a QB. These 'nail biters' that SHOULDN'T BE, have become tiring beginning their 4th year. I understand why people defend him. He's a good guy and he's our good guy. However, I find myself looking forward to the day when he's gone and someone else is back there, win or lose.

I HATE that feeling because I really like JG and LOVE my Vols....

Million times.... Great post.

 

[Steve_Smith89]

Agreed..

For me, it has just gotten old, cringing every time JG drops back to pass because I know not where the ball will end up. I have little confidence in him as a QB. These 'nail biters' that SHOULDN'T BE, have become tiring beginning their 4th year. I understand why people defend him. He's a good guy and he's our good guy. However, I find myself looking forward to the day when he's gone and someone else is back there, win or lose.

I HATE that feeling because I really like JG and LOVE my Vols....

I agree with everything about JG 100%, but I also cringe every time I see our backups drop back because they are extremely unsafe with the football and have HORRIBLE decision making ability.

 

[sjt18]

I agree with everything about JG 100%, but I also cringe every time I see our backups drop back because they are extremely unsafe with the football and have HORRIBLE decision making ability.

That's fair based on what we saw from Maurer. He had some good moments but his decision making was often poor... even when he got away with it.

But what are you talking about with Shrout? He didn't seem to know, understand, or be able to manage the O... but I didn't see him taking bad risks.

 

[BruinVol]

But what are you talking about with Shrout? He didn't seem to know, understand, or be able to manage the O... but I didn't see him taking bad risks.

Why am I not surprised you don’t recall shrout throwing into double coverage and immediately getting yanked

 

[Steve_Smith89]

That's fair based on what we saw from Maurer. He had some good moments but his decision making was often poor... even when he got away with it.

But what are you talking about with Shrout? He didn't seem to know, understand, or be able to manage the O... but I didn't see him taking bad risks.

Not sure on Shrout, haven't see enough of him.

There is a reason JG is still starting and that is because [our coach believes] he has the least risk of turning the ball over and has the most experience to manage the game.

It does NOT mean he is the most talented player, but he fits the ultra conservative defensive approach that JP uses.

 

[m1al]

I agree with everything about JG 100%, but I also cringe every time I see our backups drop back because they are extremely unsafe with the football and have HORRIBLE decision making ability.

I get what you're saying. However, Maurer should be better, right? (I use Maurer because we've seen more of him) If he's as talented as some say, has some of the intangibles JG lacks and our coaches are the great developers we believe they are, he should be much improved, correct?.. If not, we have a coaching problem moreso than a QB problem.

Edit: when I say better, I mean a better QB, individually, not necessarily better then JG..

 

[VolArmy74]

I agree with everything about JG 100%, but I also cringe every time I see our backups drop back because they are extremely unsafe with the football and have HORRIBLE decision making ability.

We saw Maurer mainly against the best defenses we played on the season and he was a true freshman at that. Freshmen make bad decisions, and they look even worse against great defenses. I would sincerely hope that he and Shrout have gotten much better in regards to making reads and protecting the ball after another year of film study, working with coaches and analyzing their game experience. My only concern about Maurer is that he needed to gain 35 pounds so he wouldn't get killed out there.

 

[Bennessee01]

This one falls under the category of who am I going to believe --" my lying eyes " or antagonists and defenders of our qb play. It gets old commenting that it needs improvement and sharing observations only
to be called a Negavol etc. and told what great play we are actually getting out of the quarterback position.

This is what my eyes have observed and it has been born out by the database. I am not a hater, and think there are a lot of great things that JG does and can do. He was in fact ranked 36 th among quarterbacks -
and has had very few turnovers - yet the following bears out our reality and what you and I see and have seen since he has been our quarterback.

"Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano "
"In terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that travel 10 or more yards since 2018. "

Where's your link, I want to see the QBR, ESPN is the only QBR I know of, I'd like to see another. TIA

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Ratings are so funny. Yesterday PFF grades were used against JG for week 1 from the same people that discredited that same rating group of PFF whom had JG rated very high a year ago. You can’t have it both ways

Hilarious that Pulaski and Cormack? Both "liked" this post....

You guys are both JG nuthuggers, Pulaski spent the entire weekend defending JG in multiple threads...but apparently are lacking in reading comprehension? He is pointing out that PFF was about the ONLY source on planet earth last season to post ANY positive review about JG, they noted his completion % and 3rd down accuracy... and the JG nuthuggers beat that horse until it was dogfood and glue anytime the other 98% of Vols fans criticized JG....now PFF rates him unfavorably because he was abysmal on 3rd down and missed wide open receivers...and those same nuthuggers want to refute PFF and argue that JG had a good game, even though a blind man could see that wasn't the case against SC....

He is saying for yall JG defenders to quit being so hypocritical. Either PFF knows what they are talking about or they do not...and that doesn't change whether they agree with you, or see what 98% of us have known for years. He is a terribly inaccurate passer at gametime, always has been. According to that study at the top of this thread, he is DEAD LAST in FBS among the 117 starters at QB since 2018. DEAD LAST. LAST.

 

[Fullfillmer]

“Accuracy is a massive issue with Guarantano — in terms of accuracy rate, he actually ranks last among FBS quarterbacks with at least 160 pass attempts that traveled 10 or more yards since 2018,” PFF’s Anthony Treash wrote. “He has, however, taken very good care of the football.

Pro football focus - they don't have a bias for or against anyone including JG - just a database of stats.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Where's your link, I want to see the QBR, ESPN is the only QBR I know of, I'd like to see another. TIA

Pro Football Focus

 

[LittleVol]

He's still late with his decisions and does not anticipate well. However his throw to #5 for a TD was good on both accounts.

The problem is that "improved" still isn't good enough. He has to do it consistently. UT just cannot afford to miss plays like that early throw over Keyton down the sideline. A well thrown ball extends the drive. A ball thrown on target and a half count earlier gives Keyton an opportunity to get by the safety and score.

Yeah. Part of the overthrows was him, not getting his feet set and body aligned fast enough AS he read the play progession.

But he did actually go through his progressions Saturday and not just stare down a guy. He's gotten better, but not "quicker"

 

[CA_Vol]

The simple fact that JG is a SEC quarterback completely voids your post and actually just makes you ignorant.

Check my stats, nerd.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Hilarious that Pulaski and Cormack? Both "liked" this post....

You guys are both JG nuthuggers, Pulaski spent the entire weekend defending JG in multiple threads...but apparently are lacking in reading comprehension? He is pointing out that PFF was about the ONLY source on planet earth last season to post ANY positive review about JG, they noted his completion % and 3rd down accuracy... and the JG nuthuggers beat that horse until it was dogfood and glue anytime the other 98% of Vols fans criticized JG....now PFF rates him unfavorably because he was abysmal on 3rd down and missed wide open receivers...and those same nuthuggers want to refute PFF and argue that JG had a good game, even though a blind man could see that wasn't the case against SC....

He is saying for yall JG defenders to quit being so hypocritical. Either PFF knows what they are talking about or they do not...and that doesn't change whether they agree with you, or see what 98% of us have known for years. He is a terribly inaccurate passer at gametime, always has been. According to that study at the top of this thread, he is DEAD LAST in FBS among the 117 starters at QB since 2018. DEAD LAST. LAST.

Lol, you couldn't be more wrong I don't think. I'm a big fan of PFF as well no matter what stat they put out.

< 50 = Backup
50-59 = Below average starter
60-69 = Average starter
70-79 = Above average starter
80-89 = Very good
90-99 = Elite

OFFENSIVE GRADES

1 — Brandon Johnson — 79.6
2 — Velus Jones — 78.9
3 — Josh Palmer — 78.4
4 — Trey Smith — 75.2
5 — Brandon Kennedy — 73.4
6 — Ty Chandler — 73.9
7 — Jarrett Guarantano — 70.8
8 — Wanya Morris — 67.5
9 — Jerome Carvin — 64.2
10 — Darnell Wright — 62.6
11 — Eric Gray — 62.6
12 — Javontez Spraggins — 61.4
13 — Princeton Fant — 60.5
14 — Riley Locklear — 60.3
15 — Latrell Bumphus — 60.0
16 — Jahmir Johnson — 56.2
17 — Cooper Mays — 55.5
18 — Cedric Tillman — 54.2
19 — Jalin Hyatt — 53.3
20 — Ramel Keyton — 52.7
21 — Jacob Warren — 49.4

DEFENSIVE GRADES

1 — Deandre Johnson — 73.7
2 — Greg Emerson — 72.1
3 — Henry To’o To’o — 72.0
4 — Kivon Bennett — 71.2
5 — Alontae Taylor — 70.4
6 — Omari Thomas — 68.7
7 — Theo Jackson — 65.8
8 — Latrell Bumphus — 63.7
9 — Aubrey Solomon — 63.2
10 — Jaylen McCollough — 62.8
11 — Bryce Thompson — 62.6
12 — Trevon Flowers — 62.3
13 — Warren Burrell — 61.3
14 — Matthew Butler — 60.9
15 — John Mincey — 60.0
16 — Doneiko Slaughter — 59.6
17 — Kenneth George Jr. — 59.1
18 — Elijah Simmons — 59.1
19 — Quavaris Crouch — 59.0
20 — Kurot Garland — 58.0
21 — Ja’Quain Blakely — 57.1
22 — Roman Harrison — 52.5
23 — Tyler Barron — 51.7
24 — Jeremy Banks — 47.7
25 — Morven Joseph — 41.4

 

[Bennessee01]

Pro Football Focus

thanks for getting back with me. I don't subscribe to PFF ($$), PFF is owned by Chris Collingsworth, former Gator, Bengal and now NBC mouthpiece on Sunday Night Football.

If you could copy the ratings and email them I'd appreciate it. I'll keep up with it for the whole team. (got it, thanks)

Keep in mind PFF is opinion based, whose purpose is to grade collegiate players for draft evaluations for the next NFL draft.

The best thing about PFF, you put their grades on a spreadsheet and you can see improvement, players that show well against tough teams and the ones that only show well against lower level teams. It shows whether the player is improving/regressing, you can compare vs. other sec teams.

Thanks in advance, Bennessee01@comcast.net.

 

[901 Orange]

I don’t see very many people defending JGs inaccuracy or claiming that we’re getting a high level of play at the position right now. I really think it comes down to whether you trust the coaching staff or not. For me personally, to believe that the coaches are playing anything but our best option at arguably the most important position on the field, requires a degree of mental gymnastics and conspiratorial thinking that I’m just not capable of at the moment.

We truly don’t know what we have in Shrout and HB to be sure. But do we really believe we are in a situation so desperate that we need to throw them to the wolves in a10 game all-SEC schedule in order to find out? To put it mildly, that would be ill-advised. Thankfully it appears that our coaches don’t think we are that desperate.

I think u both kinda hit the nail on the head. He doesnt have alot of turnovers. That's the #1 reason why CJP would play him or any coach for that matter. Shrout & BM will turn the ball over they both are kinda in that gunslinger mold especially Shrout. We have a defensive minded coach so he is going to want to play tough defense, run the ball, and a guy that wont put the ball in harms way at qb simple as that. This gives us the best chance to win until HB is ready to takeover.

 

[BeardedVol]

Pretty crazy to take the QB that made game losing plays over the one that made game winning ones but then again as I said Before the predetermined bias is strong here.

ill predict JG is 22/34 Saturday for 275 and 3 TDs in a 34-17 win and you along with many others will
Claim he played poorly. Already determined the reaction I’m sure

JG has only thrown 3 TDs in a single game, once in his career at UT, against Chattanooga in 2019.

The likelihood of him doing so Saturday, is extremely low.

 

[sjt18]

Yeah. Part of the overthrows was him, not getting his feet set and body aligned fast enough AS he read the play progession.

But he did actually go through his progressions Saturday and not just stare down a guy. He's gotten better, but not "quicker"

That's a pretty good observation. I may go watch it again to specifically look for him staring down receivers but he did seem to consistently find the right guy. That is an improvement over previous years.