Year 4 ... Same Old JG

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1vol8 said:
🤔. Don’t think it happens? It happens all the time. Do you REALLY think Fromm was more talented than Justin Fields? I mean..... Kirby makes millions too. How many people, coaches, players do you think agree with his evaluation of qbs?
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Cats only catch tongues at the perfect times.
 
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Here's a conspiracy for you, maybe they are trying to get JG enough "good" reps to get someone to take him in a transfer this spring.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
So, you are blaming our defensive woes on JG? Get real. He played an average game and we escaped with the W. The defensive woes are not on JG, so you can take your arrogant comments and ...
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In large part because of JG's 1 for 7 on 3rd down, USCe had over 34 minutes of possession while UT had just over 25. USCe had 74 plays. UT had 65.

UT had almost a yard more per play mostly because of the run game. His miscues specifically put the D at a disadvantage. He missed plays that a player with his experience and arm talent should make in their sleep.
 
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DustyRockSolid said:
I dont think Pruitt starts JG because he "likes" him more. That's pure stupid
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No. There are reasons not the least of which is JG's age and experience. Then you have that JG is by all accounts a practice All American and Pruitt is completely convinced that practice always translates to games. Then you have an old school notion that has cost HC's their job in the current era of football... that you can have a QB who isn't a difference maker as a play maker so long as they don't turn the ball over.

Costello is among four guys who had 2 picks in the first week. But the chances he took also resulted in 5 TD's, 44 points, and HUGE win over a much more talented opponent.

I really like Pruitt. But JG is too cautious and it hurts the team. There is a balance. You don't want a guy reckless with the ball. You don't want what UT got from Maurer last year in that respect. But a 5th year Sr should have a much better grasp on how and when to take chances.

FTR, none of his off target throws were caused by an effort to avoid a turnover.
 
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k-town_king said:
That game he was 50% passing with as many turnovers as tds. He was also responsible for only one more td for us than he gave up directly to them.

This game was better.

A game with 60% passing, no turnovers, and a SEC win would definitely be a career highlight for BM.
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You rely solely on stats to make your case and totally ignore the intangibles a player like Maurer brings to the offense. Intangibles JG simply does not possess.

Would Maurer throw an interception? Yea, he just might. However, the energy he injects into the offense is well worth it IMO. Give him the reigns. Hell, give Shrout or Bailey the reigns. It's time to end the JG experiment. No better season to do it than this one.. It's a 'mulligan' season anyway.
 
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1vol8 said:
🤔. Don’t think it happens? It happens all the time. Do you REALLY think Fromm was more talented than Justin Fields? I mean..... Kirby makes millions too. How many people, coaches, players do you think agree with his evaluation of qbs?
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Thought we were talking about Pruitt? I'm sure it might have happened somewhere. I don't care. I'm talking about UT. And no, pruitt is starting JG because he is our best option. Not because he likes him more. Take that **** somewhere else.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’ve said this before and I’ll keep going back to the point. He completed 54% of his passes in games he was prepared as a starter. JG completed 59% last year. Bo Nix was at 57%. Which means JG was only 5% better and Bo was only 3% better. When you’re fair in the comparison it shows he was right where he should be as a freshman and not far behind our 4th year starter with very little preparation. To me, that’s inspiring as I’d think it should’ve been to everyone. Then taken into consideration that he wasn’t thrown in until murderous row only makes it that much more impressive.

4 of his 5 ints were out of his control. I’m not going to go back through them but he could’ve just as easily only had 1 int as he did 5. Before you throw up “near” ints 1) most of those were games JG was prepared as the starter and 2) JG had just as many
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okay.
 
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m1al said:
You rely solely on stats to make your case and totally ignore the intangibles a player like Maurer brings to the offense. Intangibles JG simply does not possess.

Would Maurer throw an interception? Yea, he just might. However, the energy he injects into the offense is well worth it IMO. Give him the reigns. Hell, give Shrout or Bailey the reigns. It's time to end the JG experiment. No better season to do it than this one.. It's a 'mulligan' season anyway.
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I think the others would have been higher turnover risks. I do not think they would have missed that many open receivers. I think Shrout and Maurer are both more accurate and timely throwing downfield.

The question none of us are likely able to answer is whether they could have managed the run game as well.
 
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It all boils down to this for me. If we lose, heat on CJP, so he is going to everything he can to win. If JG is playing, I assume that CJP believes he has the best chance to win. I am excited about Vol QBs on the roster. I would not go so far as to say JG wouldn't ball out the rest of the games and become a hero of sorts. I am as frustrated as everyone that JG starts under, over throwing, in front, behind, at some of the most important or critical times in the game and then there are those three beautiful throws (and catches) resulting in points. Keeping my fingers crossed the JG will get better.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think the others would have been higher turnover risks. I do not think they would have missed that many open receivers. I think Shrout and Maurer are both more accurate and timely throwing downfield.

The question none of us are likely able to answer is whether they could have managed the run game as well.
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That part of the game, for them, worries me the least. Problem is, we won't find out this year unless, God forbid, JG is injured. Which NO ONE wants to see. Unfortunately I believe CJP is to conservative offensively and afraid of that kind of change unless it's forced upon him. Not sure whether it's his defensive mindset or just to much time around Nicky..
 
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He hasn't improved sense the day he became the starter 3 years ago, i still say he plays better in the hurry up he doesnt have time to think, on that last go ahead drive he made 2 throws as well as anybody could he shows signs that he can but he is either high or behind the receiver most of the night, he had open receiver all night long.
 
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You gotta put a limit on it . I’d say 8 bad throws backup qb goes to the bullpen? 4 more you are out . Kind of like a pitcher. Agree? Georgia or Alabama it may be said and done by then.
 
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if tennessee keeps winning or not getting embarrassed then you will not see anyone other than JG for a fact. There's no reason to change.
 
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m1al said:
That part of the game, for them, worries me the least. Problem is, we won't find out this year unless, God forbid, JG is injured. Which NO ONE wants to see. Unfortunately I believe CJP is to conservative offensively and afraid of that kind of change unless it's forced upon him. Not sure whether it's his defensive mindset or just to much time around Nicky..
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He made a change last year and JG was not "statistically" bad to that point of the season. You could argue that September was statistically his best month.

If UT were a dominant running team or dominant defensive team then he'd have more luxury to wait on JG. Unfortunately, JG may have to cost UT games before Pruitt makes a move.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think the others would have been higher turnover risks. I do not think they would have missed that many open receivers. I think Shrout and Maurer are both more accurate and timely throwing downfield.

The question none of us are likely able to answer is whether they could have managed the run game as well.
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Yea the other two have shown they are way more accurate.

Especially Maurer.

I mean 46%. What else can you say?

That boy don't miss.
 
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See what happened to the Bears yesterday. The backup came in and saved the day. Trubisky won’t see the field again. Hopefully
 
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k-town_king said:
Yea the other two have shown they are way more accurate.

Especially Maurer.

I mean 46%. What else can you say?

That boy don't miss.
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Neither BM or JS have been given enough actual playing time to know what they can do. I think there is potential but we will never know unless they get on the field. Same way with Bailey. Maybe we can blowout Missouri and see the other Qb’s play some.
 
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Avg quarterback play is ok. The bammers have lived off of it. (Wilson, McElroy, Coker etc..). As has been pointed out third down conversion and explosive plays are what makes winners. JG is inconsistent. The psychology of coming off the bench seems to help his consistency. Ultimate 6th man. JP and crew saw this.
 
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DustyRockSolid said:
Thought we were talking about Pruitt? I'm sure it might have happened somewhere. I don't care. I'm talking about UT. And no, pruitt is starting JG because he is our best option. Not because he likes him more. Take that **** somewhere else.
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It happened right in front of your face to one of our big three that we can’t beat! How happy are we to see that Kirby made that mistake and now Fields is in an Ohio state uni rather than UGA? You don’t think they had fans on their message board criticizing other fans for thinking Kirby made the wrong decision because “He’s the coach and he makes millions”? He makes more than Pruitt to make the right call and he failed. As a result we benefited and they are now “on our level”.

And we are talking about UT because what we seen this past weekend with UGA could very well be us in 2021 for all the same reasons. JG is serviceable but he’s not a qb you can challenge the SEC with. There are more talented qbs on the roster that may not ever get the chance to prove themselves as such due to what can only be explained as a personal relationship because the talent can’t be seen outside of experience.
 
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Powder and shot said:
Avg quarterback play is ok. The bammers have lived off of it. (Wilson, McElroy, Coker etc..). As has been pointed out third down conversion and explosive plays are what makes winners. JG is inconsistent. The psychology of coming off the bench seems to help his consistency. Ultimate 6th man. JP and crew saw this.
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Bama has changed with times...and realized an avg QB doesn't win championships....hasnt had a non playmaker since. 2013/2014
 
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1vol8 said:
It happened right in front of your face to one of our big three that we can’t beat! How happy are we to see that Kirby made that mistake and now Fields is in an Ohio state uni rather than UGA? You don’t think they had fans on their message board criticizing other fans for thinking Kirby made the wrong decision because “He’s the coach and he makes millions”? He makes more than Pruitt to make the right call and he failed. As a result we benefited and they are now “on our level”.

And we are talking about UT because what we seen this past weekend with UGA could very well be us in 2021 for all the same reasons. JG is serviceable but he’s not a qb you can challenge the SEC with. There are more talented qbs on the roster that may not ever get the chance to prove themselves as such due to what can only be explained as a personal relationship because the talent can’t be seen outside of experience.
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Lol. Whatever dude. You will never convince me that pruitt starts JG based on their personal relationship. I'm pretty sure 90 percent of volnation will agree that its just a stupid tin foil hat theory. Absolute nonsense.
 
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1vol8 said:
It happened right in front of your face to one of our big three that we can’t beat! How happy are we to see that Kirby made that mistake and now Fields is in an Ohio state uni rather than UGA? You don’t think they had fans on their message board criticizing other fans for thinking Kirby made the wrong decision because “He’s the coach and he makes millions”? He makes more than Pruitt to make the right call and he failed. As a result we benefited and they are now “on our level”.

And we are talking about UT because what we seen this past weekend with UGA could very well be us in 2021 for all the same reasons. JG is serviceable but he’s not a qb you can challenge the SEC with. There are more talented qbs on the roster that may not ever get the chance to prove themselves as such due to what can only be explained as a personal relationship because the talent can’t be seen outside of experience.
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You're a Maurer conspiracy theorist.
 
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