The Republican Convention Thread

#826
#826
hog88 said:
Dissenters? They can dissent all they want, they can offer opinions, alternate plans and submit legislation for consideration. The problem with those you worship as "dissenters" is that they did none of that. They ran for office and reelection on the idea that they would support repealing ACA, reducing regulation, taxes, and push the republican agenda. They didn't, they were exposed as frauds who used people's frustrations with Obama to remain in office and when they had a man that would sign all the legislation they promised they would pass, they didn't have it. After they were exposed as frauds is when they "dissented".
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True, but obviously irrelevant.

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of politicians with voting records identical to Flake who are still in government. Why? They kissed the ring. There are examples of locally popular, competent republicans like Larry Hogan that are nationally despised. Why? Didn’t kiss the ring. There are thoughtful pundits like David French, George Will, and Jonah Goldberg, etc. who are despised by the Trumpists. Why? Didn’t kiss the ring. There are moron pundits like Sohrab Amari and Dinesh D’Souza who are revered by Trumpists for no other reason than publicly kissing more than the ring.

There are examples of woefully incompetent republicans like Matt Gaetz whose popularity is indirectly proportionate to competence. Why? They kissed more than the ring.

National popularity amongst republicans is directly tied to a public figure’s willingness to fluff Trump.

Another Ivanka post.
 
#828
#828
RockyTop85 said:
True, but obviously irrelevant.

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of politicians with voting records identical to Flake who are still in government. Why? They kissed the ring. There are examples of locally popular, competent republicans like Larry Hogan that are nationally despised. Why? Didn’t kiss the ring. There are thoughtful pundits like David French, George Will, and Jonah Goldberg, etc. who are despised by the Trumpists. Why? Didn’t kiss the ring. There are moron pundits like Sohrab Amari and Dinesh D’Souza who are revered by Trumpists for no other reason than publicly kissing more than the ring.

There are examples of woefully incompetent republicans like Matt Gaetz whose popularity is indirectly proportionate to competence. Why? They kissed more than the ring.

National popularity amongst republicans is directly tied to a public figure’s willingness to fluff Trump.

Another Ivanka post.
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Since when did national popularity mean squat for house and senate members? They only needed to be popular within their constituencies. They weren't and that is why they are gone. They didn't have to "kiss the ring" they only needed to do what their constituents elected them to do. It is because they were more worried about their national image than serving their constituents they lost popularity where it mattered.
 
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hog88 said:
Since when did national popularity mean squat for house and senate members? They only needed to be popular within their constituencies. They weren't and that is why they are gone. They didn't have to "kiss the ring" they only needed to do what their constituents elected them to do. It is because they were more worried about their national image than serving their constituents they lost popularity where it mattered.
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If you could remember the central thesis of the conversation for more than 2 posts, or keep more than one thought in your head at once you’d have a much better argument that I’m to blame for your lack of understanding.

Want to try that again in the context of the party demanding intellectual uniformity or would you rather pretend to not understand?
 
#830
#830
jcvols24 said:
I came into this election year more independent, looking to see if either candidate would stand out. The contrast of these conventions has almost persuaded me that republican is the way to go. I didn't vote last election because I couldn't vote Hillary and to be honest, I thought Trump would be a train wreck to the economy. I was wrong about that and it has benefitted me pretty well. Thinking come November I will be a brand new Trump voter.
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Welcome to the team. Former democrat myself.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
If you could remember the central thesis of the conversation for more than 2 posts, or keep more than one thought in your head at once you’d have a much better argument that I’m to blame for your lack of understanding.

Want to try that again in the context of the party demanding intellectual uniformity or would you rather pretend to not understand?
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The party in no way required intellectual uniformity. The party didn't kick them out of office, the party didn't force them to not seek reelection.
 
#832
#832
VolnJC said:
I thought Trump would be good on the economy but have been surprised at how he has kept our military out of conflicts and actually started bringing some home
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Admittedly I am more of womens choice on abortion but some of these proposed allowances by liberals are sort of disgusting. I am surprised at how pro life he's been. He doesn't plan to give in another inch to some of the inhumane things that go on.
 
#833
#833
W.TN.Orange Blood said:
The loonies on the left are wanting to spend up to 4 Trillion more of your money for the Green New Deal.
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They also want to currently give another $600 per week in unemployment. More than some were making on their full time jobs which also discourages people from going back to work with money we don't have. Major tax increases.
 
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#834
happy-go_vol said:
Lol, he said he wanted to build a wall and immediately labeled that by your press. Anyone who is for border security is labed a racist.
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luthervol said:
I see you completely bought into the right wing narrative.
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happy-go_vol said:
Buy into it? I didnt expect much to be done. I dont sheep like you marxists do.
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The bolded part of your first post is complete nonsense and is what I was referring to when I said you bought into the right wing nonsense.
That's as misinformed as saying anyone who does not support Trump's wall is for open borders.
 
#836
#836
hog88 said:
The party in no way required intellectual uniformity. The party didn't kick them out of office, the party didn't force them to not seek reelection.
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I’ll take that as a no.

Ok, since I’m not interested in discussing your attempt to examine one small group of examples outside the context of all of the many other examples, I guess we’re at an impasse.

And “party” may have been unnecessarily vague. I was talking about the collective party as in the voters and the fundraising and organizing collective. I can see how that might have been confusing.
 
#837
#837
RockyTop85 said:
I’ll take that as a no.

Ok, since I’m not interested in discussing your attempt to examine one small group of examples outside the context of all of the many other examples, I guess we’re at an impasse.

And “party” may have been unnecessarily vague. I was talking about the collective party as in the voters and the fundraising and organizing collective. I can see how that might have been confusing.
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I accept your submission.
 
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#840
#840
hog88 said:
The party in no way required intellectual uniformity. The party didn't kick them out of office, the party didn't force them to not seek reelection.
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Trump is the party, so yea, the party pretty much did do those things.
It's like someone pooping and throwing up in the pool and then saying "I didn't force them out, they got out on their own"
 
#842
#842
luthervol said:
Trump is the party, so yea, the party pretty much did do those things.
It's like someone pooping and throwing up in the pool and then saying "I didn't force them out, they got out on their own"
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The party is not Trump, if it were his first 2 years in office would have seen a tidal wave of Republican legislation passed.
 
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#844
#844
hog88 said:
The party is not Trump, if it were his first 2 years in office would have seen a tidal wave of Republican legislation passed.
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You're talking 2-4 years ago. My how things have changed. Which republican cast the deciding vote on healthcare?
How is he viewed by today's "republicans"?
The republicans who stood up to the Trump nonsense left office precisely because the republican party was becoming the party of Trump. Luckily, the democratic majority brought in by the mid-terms put Trump in check because republicans willing to stand against Trump were quickly disappearing.
If the republicans would have stayed true to themselves and their beliefs, he would have been out within 18 months.
I should have known better.
 
#845
#845
luthervol said:
You're talking 2-4 years ago. My how things have changed. Which republican cast the deciding vote on healthcare?
How is he viewed by today's "republicans"?
The republicans who stood up to the Trump nonsense left office precisely because the republican party was becoming the party of Trump. Luckily, the democratic majority brought in by the mid-terms put Trump in check because republicans willing to stand against Trump were quickly disappearing.
If the republicans would have stayed true to themselves and their beliefs, he would have been out within 18 months.
I should have known better.
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Politicians change for 2 reasons, to get votes and for money. Those that refuse to listen to their constituents can lose both.
 
#847
#847
hog88 said:
Politicians change for 2 reasons, to get votes and for money. Those that refuse to listen to their constituents can lose both.
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Their constituents said loudly and clearly that the republican party was now the Trump party.
 
#850
#850
k-town_king said:
Says one of the top 5 most racist posters on VN.

If anything the twisting of the racists all trying to flip that on the left has made for great comedy. Keep it up. I need a few more laughs today.
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I love that you label me top 5 racist. That's just code for top 5 people on volnation who continually school your ass. Another Freudian slip from our resident Urkle.
 
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