George Floyd Protest/Riots

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LouderVol said:
So we can put you down in the "never going to comment on cultural appropriations again" category. Or should we just go ahead and chalk this one up as the next bit of hypocrisy?
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I don't recall ever calling anyone out for cultural appropriation, I think it's ridiculous. So yeah, I feel pretty good about you putting me in that column.
 
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volbeast33 said:
My favorite pandering was after trumps photo- op......someone made a video I saw that said Trump has done what few thought he could..... bring the democrats to god.... it was a video compilation showing a few different democrats reading from the Bible for their own photo- op.
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That's a weird association to make, is this a widely held belief - Democrats don't have faith? Has anyone told the Catholics?
 
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Septic said:
That's a weird association to make, is this a widely held belief - Democrats don't have faith? Has anyone told the Catholics?
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I think it was just a joke bc several of them within next couple of days read scripture while commenting on trump..... I don’t think Donald Trump is religious and probably neither are the ones that suddenly started quoting scriptures.
 
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McDad said:
The traditional Republican positions with this whole thing are fascinating.
Big government = No. Big Police = Yes.
Unions = No. Police Unions = Yes.
Gov reform = Yes. Police reform = No.
2A protects from Gov tyranny = Yes. Actual Gov tyranny = No armed resistance.
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As long as you don't paint with a broad brush:)

I would think most reasonable people can see the difference between the need for something versus not wanting it overdone.

I see the need for some taxes and am in agreement with that, but that doesnt mean I'm OK with all of the tax increases they come up with.

Just because I don't want the police abolished doesn't mean I want them expanded to the hilt.
 
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So some Seattle terrorists have blocked a neighborhood and are in compete control of who enters (thought they hated walls/barriers, but whatever) and then this....
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That was definitely not a good look. Note even a decent look. Or even mediocre.
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I have only read the headline in the picture. It seems like a tremendous lack of self-awareness to demand that at this time, but it also seems like it gets to the heart of what was/is being asked of police and the behavior that is responsible for souring the relationship between police and the public.

Nobody wants to be treated disrespectfully, like animals or thugs. Treat everybody with respect and professionalism and the “anti-police” movement would go away.
 
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utvols88 said:
But you do see it happen. If it was public, Chauvin may not be an officer and certainly wouldnt be a training officer.

Shortages are fixed by higher pay.

What are your thoughts on the tour idea?
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Shortages are not fixed by higher pay unless you pay your "qualified" and "higher standard" candidates way more than what they could get working in a safer and saner environment.

Everyone suggest higher pay without throwing out a number. How about someone start? How much would it take for you to become a law enforcement officer these days?

The "tours" idea has some merit. Some departments have programs similar to your idea of "tours." Some have mandatory shift rotation, some have specialty assignments but the officer has to qualify and put in for them.

There are downsides to taking someone off the street for a lengthy period of time, such as being rusty with the street sense that makes the hair standup on the back of the neck but you don't know exactly why, AKA instincts. But it is an idea and it should be tried and studied in a pilot project somewhere to find out if it will work. But then you need the manpower to replace the shift cop who is in the three month off period. Not many departments have enough personnel to do that. But it's a good idea, I'm sure some very smart people with good intentions will come up with others. Most cops, like people in general don't like change. But most cops, like most people want to do better than what they are doing today. Maybe because of these terrible and unfortunate events, something good may eventually come from them.

My suggestion is that maybe officers should undergo a regular psych check (annually or as needed) to see if some things have changed due to their exposure to what cops see and do on a regular basis. If they are found to be unable/no longer prepared to fill the position due to mental "injury", it should be treated the same as a physical injury is treated, get them well and if they can't get to the place they need to be to do the job, retirement with the same benefits as if they suffered a career ending, debilitating injury. Nowadays cops, fire, EMS, do tend to get counseling after a particularly nasty incident, that didn't used to be the case. Back in the day, they were told to "suck it up and get back to work", as if nothing had happened. That is a change and for the better.

We need the law enforcement professionals and they need the support of the people they serve. Until that reality sinks in on both sides, it's going to be a big mess.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I have only read the headline in the picture. It seems like a tremendous lack of self-awareness to demand that at this time, but it also seems like it gets to the heart of what was/is being asked of police and the behavior that is responsible for souring the relationship between police and the public.

Nobody wants to be treated disrespectfully, like animals or thugs. Treat everybody with respect and professionalism and the “anti-police” movement would go away.
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I have many police officers in my close and extended family. EVERY one of them, I noticed a distinct change in their personality and character after and as they became officers. They developed a very low opinion of humanity. They see the worst out of humanity all shift, every shift, so they develop this underlying worldview that everyone is a thug--some just hide it better than others.

I really don't want to broad-brush, but I wonder if this is the nature of the problem. Their job by definition conditions them to by-default treat/view everyone as though they are animals/thugs. It's almost as though they simmer an unrecognized attitude that humans are subhuman.

That headline/video indicates a horrible lack of self-awareness, as you mentioned.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riot Was Preplanned
These crazy leftist are radicalizing and using Children to push their violent agenda.
See the video and hear their own words.
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What you are about to see is part of a two year undercover investigation into the leftist radicalization imbedded within the climate justice movement that contributed to the riots in Minneapolis, Minnesota. In this first video, we are going to show how the Sunrise Movement played a preemptive role in carrying out the mayhem to further push their Green New Deal agenda and promoting the abolition of the police.

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If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

– Jack Handey
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I have many police officers in my close and extended family. EVERY one of them, I noticed a distinct change in their personality and character after and as they became officers. They developed a very low opinion of humanity. They see the worst out of humanity all shift, every shift, so they develop this underlying worldview that everyone is a thug--some just hide it better than others.

I really don't want to broad-brush, but I wonder if this is the nature of the problem. Their job by definition conditions them to by-default treat/view everyone as though they are animals/thugs. It's almost as though they simmer an unrecognized attitude that humans are subhuman.

That headline/video indicates a horrible lack of self-awareness, as you mentioned.
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I would argue that law enforcement/1st responders/Emergency Department staff see the worst of the worst of humanity every day and it does have an effect. But i would venture that they have more accurate outlook of actual humanity and their motivations and flaws and weaknesses than any other profession as well. Definitely moreso than a politician, journalist, lawyer, teacher, etc
 
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newarkvol said:
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

– Jack Handey
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Love me some Jack Handey. I still say he was the most important philosopher of the 20th Century.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I would argue that law enforcement/1st responders/Emergency Department staff see the worst of the worst of humanity every day and it does have an effect. But i would venture that they have more accurate outlook of actual humanity and their motivations and flaws and weaknesses than any other profession as well. Definitely moreso than a politician, journalist, lawyer, teacher, etc
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I'm a Christian. I agree that every one of us is a fallen, sinful, selfish, etc... nature. But I also believe we are made in the image of God, and thus should be treated with respect, honor, etc. If police lose the second with the first, there's a problem.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I would argue that law enforcement/1st responders/Emergency Department staff see the worst of the worst of humanity every day and it does have an effect. But i would venture that they have more accurate outlook of actual humanity and their motivations and flaws and weaknesses than any other profession as well. Definitely moreso than a politician, journalist, lawyer, teacher, etc
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They definitely know how to financially penalize the scourge of society for driving 11 mph over the speed limit while doing the same thing every day themselves,
 
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