JG’s Growth at QB

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sjt18 said:
Maurer wasn't "perfect" before the injury. He didn't play as well after it.

JG played at the end because he proved he could manage the run game better. He was awful throwing the ball in the last two games. That is the opening for Maurer, Shrout, and possibly HB. Pruitt will demand that his starter manage the run game well. That is part of why I think HB's chances of starting as a Fr are low.

OTOH, both Maurer and Shrout have experience and practice exposure. They've had an opportunity to study video to improve their run reads and adjustments. If they do then either can overtake JG. JG appears to have hit his ceiling as a passer. Neither of the other two have.

So... can they close the gap in management of the O and run game? Can they clean up mistakes throwing the ball? Or can JG truly shock many of us by becoming MUCH faster with his reads and by anticipating throws? I don't care which guy starts... so long as we see MUCH better QB play than we have from anyone over the last 3 years.
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I can def rock with this! did you have a moment of truth finally? lol
 
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1vol8 said:
Point out the part that I was “blowing smoke” big guy.
No..... I’m facing the facts of what really happened and taking it ALL into consideration when forming my opinions. I can’t apologize for your short memory. But mine works just fine.
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u keep trying to blame the coaches. STOP! its childish and dumb. its HIS fault....period
 
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lexkyvol said:
u keep trying to blame the coaches. STOP! its childish and dumb. its HIS fault....period
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In other words, you can’t find anything untrue. Therefore your statement of “blowing smoke” was bs. If telling the TRUTH appears to be “blame” then maybe the “blame” is warranted and right where it belongs. There was nothing fabricated. Nothing exaggerated. Just a detailed version of true events. If you can’t debate what I wrote then you can’t deny it either. Have a good night
 
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lexkyvol said:
I can def rock with this! did you have a moment of truth finally? lol
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Nope. Pretty much what I've been saying the whole time if you could have gotten past your knee jerk reaction to criticisms of JG.

My "agenda" is UT winning. I've taken up a bit more for Maurer because I think Pulaski and k-town criticized him unfairly for a true Fr. I've never thought Maurer had "arrived". I see some potential but he has to develop it in a hurry.

I actually love Shrout's arm. I wish he could get his head right.
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope. Pretty much what I've been saying the whole time if you could have gotten past your knee jerk reaction to criticisms of JG.

My "agenda" is UT winning. I've taken up a bit more for Maurer because I think Pulaski and k-town criticized him unfairly for a true Fr. I've never thought Maurer had "arrived". I see some potential but he has to develop it in a hurry.

I actually love Shrout's arm. I wish he could get his head right.
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There's the real truth. Has nothing to do with me. I called it as it was. Anyways.....salute to admitting u were wrong even if you're still trying to save face by calling my great observation knee jerk. it was spot on. just give me credit man! it aint hard!

and u finally see what ive been saying about shrout as well. i have the trained eye!
 
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lexkyvol said:
There's the real truth. Has nothing to do with me. I called it as it was. Anyways.....salute to admitting u were wrong even if you're still trying to save face by calling my great observation knee jerk. it was spot on. just give me credit man! it aint hard!

and u finally see what ive been saying about shrout as well. i have the trained eye!
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What on earth do you think I was wrong about?

You tried to claim JG has been a good QB. He hasn't. I haven't backed down from any of my criticisms. Good kid. Has a lot of the qualities you want. But he has some flaws that appear to be as innate as they are fatal.

I've never said that Maurer or Shrout were proven commodities. Both have potential. I've been honest about Maurer's mistakes. But the JG cult is fond of using a freshman's mistakes to justify a 4th year QB's ineffectiveness. That's how I end up defending Maurer while fully recognizing he has a long way to go.

Remember that several weeks back I said that Shrout and Maurer have a narrow window IMO. If they are ever to be good enough to start for UT then they should be good enough with hard work to beat JG out this year. If they can't then they likely aren't talented enough to hold off HB and Salter going forward.
 
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I for one could not imagine what it is like to take a snap in Neyland stadium In front of the thousands of fans, your coaches, family and television. How Jarrett can do this and succeed is amazing. How he took snaps the last three years knowing he was going to get hammered every time is again amazing. Tennessee fans should be grateful for his contribution to our team. I think he will be recalled fondly and with the honor he deserves. He clearly has character in an age where virtue is not held out as a goal for every man. J G was humble and patient Last year when he was benched and when he failed in front of everyone. I admire these character traits. I know Tennesseans appreciate these qualities. I want him to take every snap this next year and to win and to go on to the NFL if that is what he wants. I hope critics think about the enormous pressure that JG has thrived under and reflect on how JG is truly a volunteer and a torchbearer and most of all a fine person.
 
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sjt18 said:
What on earth do you think I was wrong about?

You tried to claim JG has been a good QB. He hasn't. I haven't backed down from any of my criticisms. Good kid. Has a lot of the qualities you want. But he has some flaws that appear to be as innate as they are fatal.

I've never said that Maurer or Shrout were proven commodities. Both have potential. I've been honest about Maurer's mistakes. But the JG cult is fond of using a freshman's mistakes to justify a 4th year QB's ineffectiveness. That's how I end up defending Maurer while fully recognizing he has a long way to go.

Remember that several weeks back I said that Shrout and Maurer have a narrow window IMO. If they are ever to be good enough to start for UT then they should be good enough with hard work to beat JG out this year. If they can't then they likely aren't talented enough to hold off HB and Salter going forward.
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ok man! let's just move forward....smmfh
 
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lexkyvol said:
i saw a kid grow in his 4th offense in 4 years he's been on campus. i saw a kid own his mistakes despite death threats and other things similar. i saw a kid embarrassed on national tv due to his own mistakes, yet not give up nor have a bunch of folk make excuses for him and lead not with his mouth or fans mouth, but by example. yes JG has had horrible instances over 4 years herre at UT. yes he has angered even myself at times to where I said f-him.....dont let him back on the field. but the real truth is.....he represents the grit and hustle i want in any kid that plays the position herre. he's like dobbs with the arm instead of the feet. thru the fire and ashes.....when it cools.....there he is banged up...a winner! u may not like him. hell, at times i haven't either, but he's our QB for one more year and all we can do is take him for who he is and ride behind him...period!
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Not me. I don't want JG to be the starter next year. Just face it. The kid doesn't have what it takes to take Tenn to the next level. Is not about who he is as a person. You are making it too personal.
 
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Prayivm3rcy said:
Not me. I don't want JG to be the starter next year. Just face it. The kid doesn't have what it takes to take Tenn to the next level. Is not about who he is as a person. You are making it too personal.
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personal or not, he's earned it if he is the starter. tell pruitt, not me....that he shouldn't be the starter. all i know is his bowl record is 1-0.
 
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JG is gonna get a chance to turn the corner to start the season because he's gonna start the season as the starting QB. I hope to goodness he takes advantage, and that he takes the job and runs with it and never looks back. I hope he throws for 3500+ yards and 30+ Tds. The kid has been extremely tough in his time on the hill. He took a beating in his early years, was heavily criticized last year, and while he could have quit, or transferred, he hung in there. He's got the physical tools to be a great QB in this league.

Having said all that, I dont think he's the QB after the OU game. That will be the game he gets to show whether he's turned the corner. And given what all we've seen from him, I cannot say with confidence hes gonna turn that corner. What JG has lacked from day 1 is between the ears. He constantly makes the wrong read, holds the ball too long, misses wide open receivers etc.

I hope to goodness Im wrong, I hope hes the QB all year and we can redshirt HB and not even have to play another QB except in mop up duty. But something tells me we will be, yet again, pulling our hair out with JG as we watch him play against OU.
 
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lexkyvol said:
So name a qb on roster with a better record and a bowl win?
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I'm good judging JG by his record compared to other UT full time starters... are you? None of the other current guys have had the opportunities he's had... you cannot compare "nil" to "bad"... and declare bad better.

Oh, I could also point out that UT is one for 3 in getting to a bowl with JG as starter. The "win" was a struggle to beat a relatively untalented Indiana team... I'm not sure how that's supposed to be real impressive.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
JG is gonna get a chance to turn the corner to start the season because he's gonna start the season as the starting QB. I hope to goodness he takes advantage, and that he takes the job and runs with it and never looks back. I hope he throws for 3500+ yards and 30+ Tds. The kid has been extremely tough in his time on the hill. He took a beating in his early years, was heavily criticized last year, and while he could have quit, or transferred, he hung in there. He's got the physical tools to be a great QB in this league.

Having said all that, I dont think he's the QB after the OU game. That will be the game he gets to show whether he's turned the corner. And given what all we've seen from him, I cannot say with confidence hes gonna turn that corner. What JG has lacked from day 1 is between the ears. He constantly makes the wrong read, holds the ball too long, misses wide open receivers etc.

I hope to goodness Im wrong, I hope hes the QB all year and we can redshirt HB and not even have to play another QB except in mop up duty. But something tells me we will be, yet again, pulling our hair out with JG as we watch him play against OU.
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Good post.

While I debate the JG cult quite a bit... it is possible that no one else will be ready to step in and be "the answer". I think UT has some talented guys but JG's problem isn't physical talent. Shrout and Maurer both had some moments but they also made way too many mistakes. HB may be great... but starting a freshman at QB almost always costs a team games.

I think JG lacks the imagination or whatever it is that allows a player to anticipate what's going to happen in real time. As you mention, he also seems to think slow when it comes to making reads. He is much better on long developing plays than the ones that require a quick read and throw. Opposing DC's see that... and take advantage of it. The lack of a quick read passing game also hurts the run game. On longer developing pass plays, the back 7 can play run and still have time to drop back.
 
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sjt18 said:
Good post.

While I debate the JG cult quite a bit... it is possible that no one else will be ready to step in and be "the answer". I think UT has some talented guys but JG's problem isn't physical talent. Shrout and Maurer both had some moments but they also made way too many mistakes. HB may be great... but starting a freshman at QB almost always costs a team games.

I think JG lacks the imagination or whatever it is that allows a player to anticipate what's going to happen in real time. As you mention, he also seems to think slow when it comes to making reads. He is much better on long developing plays than the ones that require a quick read and throw. Opposing DC's see that... and take advantage of it. The lack of a quick read passing game also hurts the run game. On longer developing pass plays, the back 7 can play run and still have time to drop back.
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Yep, JG knows his strength is the plays that's take longer to develop, which is why he holds the ball too long on pretty much every play. He wants to wait until he sees the guy wide open before throwing it instead of throwing with anticipation. He gets caught far too often staring receivers down waiting for them to get open all the while he has other guys wide open. The BYU game drove me nuts. Jennings could have had 300 yards recieving in that game, he was wide open on several plays he missed.

And in regards to other qbs, I think your assessment is spot on, there's talent on the roster and was last year behind JG, but they simply weren't ready. Maurer showed flashes with his mobility and ability to move us down the field, but then would make some boneheaded throws. I'm just not as big on Shrout. I think he's got a great arm, and he had a decent game against USCe but too many times he was forcing balls into too tight of areas and nearly had several picks. Maybe he can work out of that.

The QB position could really be the difference in this team legitimately competing for the East this year, because I think we are solidly sitting in 3rd behind UGA and UF. If someone emerges it could be the bridge year weve been waiting for to get us back to winning the east. If the recruiting keeps up we're gonna be there.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm good judging JG by his record compared to other UT full time starters... are you? None of the other current guys have had the opportunities he's had... you cannot compare "nil" to "bad"... and declare bad better.

Oh, I could also point out that UT is one for 3 in getting to a bowl with JG as starter. The "win" was a struggle to beat a relatively untalented Indiana team... I'm not sure how that's supposed to be real impressive.
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Of course you are because then you feel it gives u reason to complain if at all, but that's not what we are talking about nor does comparing him to guys that:

A. had the same OC for more than 1 year
B. had at least a decent oline
C. were not QBs during rebuilding
and D. had first day draft talent at WR

So, back to reality and logic. A win is a win and no other QB, especially the one u were so heavy on, has led us to victory more than JG!
 
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lexkyvol said:
Of course you are because then you feel it gives u reason to complain if at all, but that's not what we are talking about nor does comparing him to guys that:
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Right. When you want to talk about his "great" bowl win... that's valid. But if you want to talk about his overall record... then you just can't have that, right?

A. had the same OC for more than 1 year
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MASSIVELY overblown. He had a full RS season and a full offseason as a RS Fr to learn Jones system... and still wasn't good.

It isn't like they went to the wishbone or something. The playbook is very similar and especially in the passing game.
B. had at least a decent oline
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Yeah... because a QB's decisions in the run game and passing game have nothing to do with how the OL looks, right? I mean the same OL giving up about a sack a game with Dormady then over 4 sacks per game with JG... was just all on the OL, right?

JG was among the WORST in the SEC for time to get the ball out last year as a RS Jr. He simply doesn't read and process quickly enough.

I've even given JG credit for improved management of the run game. He gets a lot of the credit for how UT ran the ball later in the season last year. That wasn't always there. In fact, Pruitt explicitly cited him doing things with regard to the run game during games that he didn't do in practice... as part of why he was benched.
C. were not QBs during rebuilding
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More excuses. Dobbs was a QB during "rebuilding years". I'm sure there are other very legitimate examples.
and D. had first day draft talent at WR
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So now JJ and Callaway just weren't as good as JG? They made him look worse? Do you know how utterly ridiculous that is?

Ainge threw for over 3,500 yds and 31 TD's in 2007... and his best WR's were Lucas Taylor, Josh Briscoe, and Austin Rogers... and he played behind a poor OL. But Ainge was very good at anticipating and getting the ball out quickly. If JG was... he would be the unquestioned starter and would be one of the best returning QB's in the country. He has always been bad at those things.

So, back to reality and logic. A win is a win and no other QB, especially the one u were so heavy on, has led us to victory more than JG!
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No one else has had the opportunities. You're acting stupid.
 
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After the first two games last year I was as hard on Coach Pruitt as anyone. That team could have folded last year real easily- but they didn’t. They learned from their mistakes and pulled out a very respectable season. To me that was a testament to Pruitt”a growth as a head coach. If he thinks JG should start then I am behind him 100%. I think we should let the past be the past and get behind our team 1000% and wish them all a great season.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah... except I've been here 14 years and have lived in Missouri for 20. I've actually only been to Florida a hand full of times between business and vacation. And then you could look at both the style and content of our posts... not the same. We don't even agree on whether Pruitt has been or will be fair with Maurer.

You... are a fundamentally dishonest person.
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What part of Missouri?
 
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lexkyvol said:
So name a qb on roster with a better record and a bowl win?
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In all seriousness....this is a childish argument and tactic to try and defend your point.

If you want to try that argument, then name a QB on the roster who has a worse record versus non power 5 teams.

And any intelligent football observer will point out that TN beat Indiana despite pitiful qb play. Terrible red zone play and an egregious pick 6 nearly sealed the win for Indiana
 
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