George Floyd Protest/Riots

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Weezer said:
MLK and Gandhi both changed the world without using violence. Both are revered for what they did.
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I am in no position to speak for MLK. But if he were to visit the US in May 2020, I wonder how much difference he would have believed he'd made.
 
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rjd970 said:
You are awfully hung up on the grammar thing aren’t you?
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I did exactly one post on grammar and it tied into his comment on third grade teachers. Did you miss that part?

From there my posts concerned another pet peeve of mine in society today: taking personal responsibility.
 
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VolStrom said:
I like you Septic, I am surprised to see you so defensive. Maybe you're on the wrong side and you just can't admit it?
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I did admit, even told a poster "nice catch."

I made a typo, sorry.

It will likely happen again, so sorry for the next time too.
 
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Septic said:
I am in no position to speak for MLK. But if he were to visit the US in May 2020, I wonder how much difference he would have believed he'd made.
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A lot. You're ignoring just how bad Jim Crow was if you think different. I'll be the first to admit we still have a ways to go, but if you think this even compares to what he went through, I'd say you're nuts.
 
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Weezer said:
A lot. You're ignoring just how bad Jim Crow was if you think different. I'll be the first to admit we still have a ways to go, but if you think this even compares to what he went through, I'd say you're nuts.
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I would hope that he'd believe significant strides have been made. But after 60 years? Our society has nothing to be patting it's back about.

Forget Floyd.

A black man in Georgia was gunned down in the streets and the Sheriff and DA tried to sweep it under the rug. That's some 1955 sht right there.
 
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Septic said:
Helpful is subjective.

We're two Vol fans having this discussion anonymously on one of a thousand web forums, despite many unhelpful comments or my inability to not speak with a sharp tongue - the conversation is being had. Though it's entirely possible no discussion will change minds, it seems that these forums are more conducive to entrenching opinions more than anything else.
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It's always subjective.

I could leave civilization behind to avoid the government I hate so much. But the impact on my lifestyle would be too much. So I am stuck on this message board.

I am a big believer in being careful of what you wish for. I think the violence pushes the conversation to what they want, less police violence, but it comes with side negative of less police presence and protection. It also comes with physical damage to communities. Plus the emotional/societal damage done.

But violence is easier than making yourself heard rationally, see this forum as you mentioned. And we are an instant gratification society. We want now, instead of real.
 
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Septic said:
Helpful is subjective.

We're two Vol fans having this discussion anonymously on one of a thousand web forums, despite many unhelpful comments or my inability to not speak with a sharp tongue - the conversation is being had. Though it's entirely possible no discussion will change minds, it seems that these forums are more conducive to entrenching opinions more than anything else.
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Why do you think that is? 108 pages in and I've heard like.. 2 examples of a potential policy change.

"Fix the racism" isn't a policy change. It's definitely not a policy change in Minneapolis with virtually no history of racism that has been run by the left for 30 years.

Policy change is easy to talk about, and we don't have to even agree on the problem. For example we can disagree on whether racism is driving police violence and still talk about changes that could result in less tragedies.

The dirty little secret here is that over powerful police unions discouraging accountability and best hiring practices are a brain child of the Democrats entrenched in these cities. Best to chant at ghosts than follow the yellow brick road back in time and realize who orchestrated the current judicial system.
 
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Septic said:
I did admit, even told a poster "nice catch."

I made a typo, sorry.

It will likely happen again, so sorry for the next time too.
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I only point that stuff out to the people that don't know better and I make those mistakes frequently myself. I appreciate your view about things. If I just wanted to hear about one side I certainly wouldn't be here.
 
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Pacer92 said:
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Nobody else watched the bottom video? Why were those Leo's instead of EMTs that picked him up from the scene with a stretcher? Anybody offer insight here? They said he was pronounced dead at the hospital...so it shouldnt be the coroner's picking him up, or deputies...

What happened right there? Anybody know or care? That has my Scooby senses twitching
 
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Sea Ray said:
I did exactly one post on grammar and it tied into his comment on third grade teachers. Did you miss that part?

From there my posts concerned another pet peeve of mine in society today: taking personal responsibility.
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I did not miss the part about taking accountability....about a grammar mistake. I’m sure we can go through your 1100 posts and not find a single one either.
 
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Weezer said:
A violent protest would target the police, as police brutality is what they are protesting. You don't get to run wild, riot and loot, and call it a protest. That's not protesting. That's acting like a criminal idiot. When you cross the line to acting out against the innocent, you're no longer protesting.
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You have to understand how the far left thinks. Here are a few examples taken from another message board:

Insofar as the racism and injustice is systemic, I think your choice of the word “innocent” is interesting. I’d argue a great number of people in the suburbs are not innocent. They’ve at least tacitly built this system into what it is.
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No white person is innocent insofar as racism in the country is concerned.
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But we also have to consider the white flight and voting majorities of the suburbs. And that points to culpability. They aren’t alone in that, but innocent they are not.
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Seriously, this is how the far left think in America today
 
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LouderVol said:
It's always subjective.

I could leave civilization behind to avoid the government I hate so much. But the impact on my lifestyle would be too much. So I am stuck on this message board.

I am a big believer in being careful of what you wish for. I think the violence pushes the conversation to what they want, less police violence, but it comes with side negative of less police presence and protection. It also comes with physical damage to communities. Plus the emotional/societal damage done.

But violence is easier than making yourself heard rationally, see this forum as you mentioned. And we are an instant gratification society. We want now, instead of real.
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How many kneeling Kapernicks have to be ignored or mocked before they decide change isn't going to come via rational discussion? Also, just how long do you believe the POC community has had an issue with with systemic problems? MLK had his dream in 1963, so it didn't start then...
 
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rjd970 said:
I did not miss the part about taking accountability....about a grammar mistake. I’m sure we can go through your 1100 posts and not find a single one either.
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Find a grammar mistake in the same sentence that I mentioned my elementary school teacher and you'll be onto something. While you're checking, see if I ever called someone out on a spelling or grammar error before. After all that, you might catch on...
 
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Septic said:
How many Kapernicks have to be ignored or mocked before they decide change isn't going to come via rational discussion?
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Make up your mind dude... Not even a page ago you said the best thing that came from this is discussion.

Kneeling for the anthem was not a discussion either. Kaepernick didn't propose a bill or hold a forum. He wore pig socks.
 
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Septic said:
I would hope that he'd believe significant strides have been made. But after 60 years? Our society has nothing to be patting it's back about.

Forget Floyd.

A black man in Georgia was gunned down in the streets and the Sheriff and DA tried to sweep it under the rug. That's some 1955 sht right there.
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Why are black people always screaming about how much help they need, both financially and legally?
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Make up your mind dude... Not even a page ago you said the best thing that came from this is discussion.

Kneeling for the anthem was not a discussion either. Kaepernick didn't propose a bill or hold a forum. He wore pig socks.
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If you can quote where I said "the best thing that came from this is discussion," I'd be forever grateful.
 
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Septic said:
I would hope that he'd believe significant strides have been made. But after 60 years? Our society has nothing to be patting it's back about.
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To some degree I agree, but to some degree I do not. Does racism still exist? Absolutely. It will probably always exist to some extent. Some people look for reasons to hate. But it's not even close to as prevalent as it was during MLK's time. At the very least, we try to address it when it rears its ugly head. We no longer live in a time where the murder of a black man was seen as nothing. Plenty of people have expressed outrage over how this cop treated and ultimately killed Floyd. It hasn't been ignored. Even before people lost their minds, outrage was being expressed. And I, at least, would have zero problem supporting reasonable protest. I want to believe most people would support reasonable protest. But attacking and destroying and stealing from people who have nothing to do with what you are outraged about is not protesting. That's criminal activity. Being mad at the police does not mean you get to break the law. You protest the police. You demand change. You find effective ways to make change. You don't ruin or take the lives of others and think it justified. And the truth is, most of the rioters and looters will forget all about actually trying to change things once order is restored. They'll sit back, bitch about how unfair life is, and wait for the next event that allows them to run amok. Change will not come that way. If you truly want change, you have to work for it. You can't just sit on your ass waiting on something to be outraged about.
 
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