George Floyd Protest/Riots

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LouderVol said:
If you are going to argue that peaceful protest is ineffective I will also argue that violent protest is ineffective. There were decades of violence before the civil rights movement got peaceful. Even with King and his on again off again relation with violence there were contemporaries practicing violence for a long time.

Even now we had fergusson, baltimore round 2/4/10? Even the LA riots.

Not arguing the validity, but the effectiveness. I dont think any of them shift the real conversation. Because most of the violence isnt directed appropriately.

This is just pissed off people blowing off steam. And typically this type of action is highly condemned, but now it comes with the caveat "buttttt"
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I didn't do that. Do you believe peaceful protest to be ineffective?
 
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rjd970 said:
Well there it is.

The left will cling to this autopsy, the right will cling to the state one.
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Personally, I don't think it's a left/right argument. Whether it was asphyxiation or his heart gave out, I think the cop was responsible for his death. It's reasonable to believe putting someone in a prolonged stress position will have negative effects, including death. If the officer had used reasonable force rather than crossing the boundary, maybe the man is still alive.
 
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Sea Ray said:
So now you're not blaming your phone. You're blaming me and calling me names. OK. Let the record show that...
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Yes, it was a typo - on my phone.

Wow, this really has you tweaked doesn't it - did being called a grammar nazi hit too close to home?

In my haste, I selected the wrong prefill.

My bad.

As I stated, if this is the best you've got - the Disney forum is over here.
 
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hog88 said:
Results just go to show scientific results can be purchased.
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I would say interpretation can be purchased. I’m sure just like there is interest by the Floyd family to increase liability there is equal interest by the state to limit it. This probably happens a lot with insanity defense cases.

At the end of the day he probably died due to multiple things, however it’s hard to argue against the fact he pleaded for help and the officer refused it, if not exacerbated the episode completely.
 
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LouderVol said:
Not in the context of a protest. I believe there is a pretty low hit rate there across the board.
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So low hit rate for peaceful protests, where they're ridiculed and mocked for it versus what's happening now. Which in your opinion is more effective in garnering attention?
 
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rjd970 said:
I would say interpretation can be purchased. I’m sure just like there is interest by the Floyd family to increase liability there is equal interest by the state to limit it. This probably happens a lot with insanity defense cases.

At the end of the day he probably died due to multiple things, however it’s hard to argue against the fact he pleaded for help and the officer refused it, if not exacerbated the episode completely.
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State examiner paid by the state - not asphyxiated. Independent examiner - asphyxiated. Results support the views of the person writing the checks.

Science.
 
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A violent protest would target the police, as police brutality is what they are protesting. You don't get to run wild, riot and loot, and call it a protest. That's not protesting. That's acting like a criminal idiot. When you cross the line to acting out against the innocent, you're no longer protesting.
 
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Septic said:
Yes, it was a typo - on my phone.

Wow, this really has you tweaked doesn't it - did being called a grammar nazi hit too close to home?

In my haste, I selected the wrong prefill.

My bad.

As I stated, if this is the best you've got - the Disney forum is over here.
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Using a phone to do a lot of posting on a message board is a pain in the butt. I use a laptop or ipad for 99.9% of my posts.
 
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Septic said:
Yes, it was a typo - on my phone.

Wow, this really has you tweaked doesn't it - did being called a grammar nazi hit too close to home?

In my haste, I selected the wrong prefill.

My bad.

As I stated, if this is the best you've got - the Disney forum is over here.
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I like you Septic, I am surprised to see you so defensive. Maybe you're on the wrong side and you just can't admit it?
 
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Peaceful protesters with noble intentions. Well not so much. Instead violent anarchists using a tragedy as cover to loot, burn and murder. It is time for the authorities to impose control regardless of the levell of force necessary to get it stopped. Those who wish to protest need to do so in a way that does not place populace or property at risk. Now they are simply providing cover for those who want to destroy and rob.
 
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Septic said:
So low hit rate for peaceful protests, where they're ridiculed and mocked for it versus what's happening now. Which in your opinion is more effective in garnering attention?
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MLK and Gandhi both changed the world without using violence. Both are revered for what they did.
 
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Septic said:
So low hit rate for peaceful protests, where they're ridiculed and mocked for it versus what's happening now. Which in your opinion is more effective in garnering attention?
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No, the low success rate was protest in general.

And I am also referring to success as actual change in the direction desired.

I dont really buy into the commonly held belief that any attention is good attention.

Sex, violence, and bad weather sells. So in this case violence is going to get more attention. But it's not attention on the subject matter. Its attention on the violence itself. The message gets completely wiped away. Which is why I dont think violent protest is helpful.
 
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Bigun said:
Do you understand anything about this?

Why do you think insurance premiums are higher in high crime areas? So black churches that get torched should just move on because the insurance company will stroke a check?
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LOL, they aren't - not here anyway.

In my neck of the woods (Florida), all they want to know about property insurance is the limit, distance to gulf, when the building was built, ISO construction and roofing, plumbing or electrical updates.

There may be a theft load built into business personal property rates at the actuarial level, but any significant difference as a geographic application is minimal.

To answer your questions, yes I know a little about insurance.
 
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VolStrom said:
I like you Septic, I am surprised to see you so defensive. Maybe you're on the wrong side and you just can't admit it?
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Probably just the fact that he hit a breaking point on being called out for dumb **** in an attempt to deflect from the actual discussion being had.

We’ve all been there.
 
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LouderVol said:
No, the low success rate was protest in general.

And I am also referring to success as actual change in the direction desired.

I dont really buy into the commonly held belief that any attention is good attention.

Sex, violence, and bad weather sells. So in this case violence is going to get more attention. But it's not attention on the subject matter. Its attention on the violence itself. The message gets completely wiped away. Which is why I dont think violent protest is helpful.
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Helpful is subjective.

We're two Vol fans having this discussion anonymously on one of a thousand web forums, despite many unhelpful comments or my inability to not speak with a sharp tongue - the conversation is being had. Though it's entirely possible no discussion will change minds, it seems that these forums are more conducive to entrenching opinions more than anything else.
 
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