To Protect and to Serve II

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The mental gymnastics required for this level of cognitive dissonance must be Olympic level.
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Just for posterity to make sure this doesn’t get lost in the mix, Ricky literally said the McMichaels were justified in murdering Aubrey because he “violently attacked” them.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Maybe if the cop was the one killed in this “no warning/no knock “ raid this ******** will stop. They were there on bad information and an innocent person died. Someone in the police department should be accountable for such a horrific mistake
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As a contractor if you make a mistake and someone dies you will be held at a minimum civilly liable and probably criminally liable also. Cops should be held to the same standard.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Just for posterity to make sure this doesn’t get lost in the mix, Ricky literally said the McMichaels were justified in murdering Aubrey because he “violently attacked” them.
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I believe what was actually said was the legal justification of the defense which would be brought to trial. I stated that ALL THREE were dumbasses who shouldnt have done what they did
 
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hog88 said:
As a contractor if you make a mistake and someone dies you will be held at a minimum civilly liable and probably criminally liable also. Cops should be held to the same standard.
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what was the mistake? Everything they did was legal
 
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#9,882
hog88 said:
Were drugs found?
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yes on the guy who was witnessed to pick up his package of drugs at the same residence hours earlier., which is WHY the warrant was taken out in the first place.

Just because they missed him by an hour or two doesn't mean drugs hadn't been there, and the lack of drugs there at that point has no bearing on the warrant itself.

If the feds do a raid to bring down a sex trafficking ring, and they have a warrant for a warehouse, an apartment and for a guy's truck, and they serve the warrant on all three and find the evidence at 2 of the 3 places, it doesn't make it a "mistake" that nothing was found at the 3rd place.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
so the police should put their weapons in the trunk too.
I’d be good with that.
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They should be holstered. A threat could manifest at any time. Common sense should be used, it really doesn't seem that difficult a concept to me but I realize others have different opinions.

How about we just go ahead and abolish firearms for our officers?
 
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KB5252 said:
They should be holstered. A threat could manifest at any time. Common sense should be used, it really doesn't seem that difficult a concept to me but I realize others have different opinions.

How about we just go ahead and abolish firearms for our officers?
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All that would do would give the criminals the advantage in every situation
 
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#9,885
hog88 said:
As a contractor if you make a mistake and someone dies you will be held at a minimum civilly liable and probably criminally liable also. Cops should be held to the same standard.
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BTW i agree about the civil issue, if the police were found to be reckless in their legal actions, the family should be allowed to sue.

I don't think the family will win THIS case though
 
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#9,886
KB5252 said:
They should be holstered. A threat could manifest at any time. Common sense should be used, it really doesn't seem that difficult a concept to me but I realize others have different opinions.

How about we just go ahead and abolish firearms for our officers?
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I’d be ok with making the cops follow the same inane and completely arbitrary rules on firearms as other civilians have to obey. That’s a start.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I’d be ok with making the cops follow the same inane and completely arbitrary rules on firearms as other civilians have to obey. That’s a start.
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They actually go through more rules to carry firearms than a civilian.

Required training yearly, registered weapons with ballistic tracing, regular laws PLUS additional policies to follow depending on the agency
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They actually go through more rules to carry firearms than a civilian.

Required training yearly, registered weapons with ballistic tracing, regular laws PLUS additional policies to follow depending on the agency
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********. I’ve seen cops in class and the word cluster**** is being kind.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
********. I’ve seen cops in class and the word cluster**** is being kind.
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Yea i have seen officers that are terrible at accuracy in firearms, and i've seen some that i would trust to make a head shot with a .38 from 50 yards away

I've seen doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, etc also do very bad at firearms training and some that could be sharpshooters
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Yea i have seen officers that are terrible at accuracy in firearms, and i've seen some that i would trust to make a head shot with a .38 from 50 yards away

I've seen doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, etc also do very bad at firearms training and some that could be sharpshooters
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Yeah, which one is going to respond to your situation....

I was actually speaking to the stupid laws like mag capacity bans and other silliness from our overlords. I mean, if it’s good enough for us, it should be for them too.
 
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#9,891
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, which one is going to respond to your situation....

I was actually speaking to the stupid laws like mag capacity bans and other silliness from our overlords. I mean, if it’s good enough for us, it should be for them too.
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I agree with the past paragraph.
 
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#9,893
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, which one is going to respond to your situation....

I was actually speaking to the stupid laws like mag capacity bans and other silliness from our overlords. I mean, if it’s good enough for us, it should be for them too.
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i do not agree with mag capacity bans. I think they are pointless and stupid
 
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hog88 said:
No knock warrants should be done away with. Way too many unnecessary and suspicious deaths, one day it will be a bunch of cops lying in body bags because they got the wrong house.
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I don't like them myself but i do understand the need for them.

One of the original reasons for them wasn't the War on Drugs, but because there were a couple of cases where a criminal had someone kidnapped, and the police arrived and knocked and announced themselves and the criminals killed the victims and shot themselves.
The difference in law enforcement training pre-Colombine to post-Colombine put an emphasis on "hurry get to the threat and end it as fast and safe as possible" rather than "let's hold up out here for hours drinking coffee and waiting for the FBI to show up"

I'm not saying that's applicable in EVERY situation but i understand the reasoning for it
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Agree.. but if it’s good enough for the citizens... why shouldn’t cops have to follow it as well?
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i don't disagree but i also know i would NEVER had arrested someone for that kind of nonsense without an accompanying charge (i.e. carjacking, shooting someone, etc)
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
So you get to decide what laws you want to enforce?
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Except for some domestic violence laws and some other stipulations (letting a DUI drive home, etc) officers have the discretion to arrest, cite or just warn. Officers have to be capricious though because they can be held liable if you let that person go and something really bad happens immediately afterwards

If i suspected someone was doing something seriously wrong and pulled them over (i was almost always right), but i found they had a joint or that they had a broken taillight, i wasn't arresting or citing them for that crap.

Now if i pulled them over for a broken taillight and they had a ton of dope, illegal guns, and just robbed a gas station, yea they were getting charged with everything including the joint
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Except for some domestic violence laws and some other stipulations (letting a DUI drive home, etc) officers have the discretion to arrest, cite or just warn. Officers have to be capricious though because they can be held liable if you let that person go and something really bad happens immediately afterwards

If i suspected someone was doing something seriously wrong and pulled them over (i was almost always right), but i found they had a joint or that they had a broken taillight, i wasn't arresting or citing them for that crap.

Now if i pulled them over for a broken taillight and they had a ton of dope, illegal guns, and just robbed a gas station, yea they were getting charged with everything including the joint
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Do you not see the issue with allowing someone in a position of authority over citizens to decide things like that? It raises tons on ethical and bias issues. That’s the whole point. Your oath is to the law, not what you consider the law to be.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I don't like them myself but i do understand the need for them.

One of the original reasons for them wasn't the War on Drugs, but because there were a couple of cases where a criminal had someone kidnapped, and the police arrived and knocked and announced themselves and the criminals killed the victims and shot themselves.
The difference in law enforcement training pre-Colombine to post-Colombine put an emphasis on "hurry get to the threat and end it as fast and safe as possible" rather than "let's hold up out here for hours drinking coffee and waiting for the FBI to show up"

I'm not saying that's applicable in EVERY situation but i understand the reasoning for it
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The privilege has been abused and needs to be taken away.

I still remember the one in Lebanon, TN where they entered the wrong house and killed an innocent man. Nobody was prosecuted for that. At the very least whoever was in charge of that raid should have faced murder and breaking and entering charges.
 
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