To Protect and to Serve II

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#9,876
KB5252 said:
Because they don't know who law abiding citizens are until they work out the details of the stop. Best to remove the gun from the equation, then they can investigate and handle appropriately without fear of their lives, with all weapons secure no one gets hurt in theory.
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so the police should put their weapons in the trunk too.
I’d be good with that.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
it was bad information.
However the warrant was obtained it was wrong. They found nothing and someone died.
This **** up is 100% on the police
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just because they found nothing doesn't make the warrant wrong, it was correctly for that address because the two were working with the drug dealer in question by getting drugs via UPS at their house, he had just gotten the package before the warrant was served, the police got him too...
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
just because they found nothing doesn't make the warrant wrong, it was correctly for that address because the two were working with the drug dealer in question by getting drugs via UPS at their house, he had just gotten the package before the warrant was served, the police got him too...
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The mental gymnastics required for this level of cognitive dissonance must be Olympic level.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The mental gymnastics required for this level of cognitive dissonance must be Olympic level.
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Just for posterity to make sure this doesn’t get lost in the mix, Ricky literally said the McMichaels were justified in murdering Aubrey because he “violently attacked” them.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Maybe if the cop was the one killed in this “no warning/no knock “ raid this ******** will stop. They were there on bad information and an innocent person died. Someone in the police department should be accountable for such a horrific mistake
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As a contractor if you make a mistake and someone dies you will be held at a minimum civilly liable and probably criminally liable also. Cops should be held to the same standard.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Just for posterity to make sure this doesn’t get lost in the mix, Ricky literally said the McMichaels were justified in murdering Aubrey because he “violently attacked” them.
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I believe what was actually said was the legal justification of the defense which would be brought to trial. I stated that ALL THREE were dumbasses who shouldnt have done what they did
 
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hog88 said:
As a contractor if you make a mistake and someone dies you will be held at a minimum civilly liable and probably criminally liable also. Cops should be held to the same standard.
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what was the mistake? Everything they did was legal
 
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#9,890
hog88 said:
Were drugs found?
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yes on the guy who was witnessed to pick up his package of drugs at the same residence hours earlier., which is WHY the warrant was taken out in the first place.

Just because they missed him by an hour or two doesn't mean drugs hadn't been there, and the lack of drugs there at that point has no bearing on the warrant itself.

If the feds do a raid to bring down a sex trafficking ring, and they have a warrant for a warehouse, an apartment and for a guy's truck, and they serve the warrant on all three and find the evidence at 2 of the 3 places, it doesn't make it a "mistake" that nothing was found at the 3rd place.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
so the police should put their weapons in the trunk too.
I’d be good with that.
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They should be holstered. A threat could manifest at any time. Common sense should be used, it really doesn't seem that difficult a concept to me but I realize others have different opinions.

How about we just go ahead and abolish firearms for our officers?
 
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KB5252 said:
They should be holstered. A threat could manifest at any time. Common sense should be used, it really doesn't seem that difficult a concept to me but I realize others have different opinions.

How about we just go ahead and abolish firearms for our officers?
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All that would do would give the criminals the advantage in every situation
 
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#9,893
hog88 said:
As a contractor if you make a mistake and someone dies you will be held at a minimum civilly liable and probably criminally liable also. Cops should be held to the same standard.
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BTW i agree about the civil issue, if the police were found to be reckless in their legal actions, the family should be allowed to sue.

I don't think the family will win THIS case though
 
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#9,894
KB5252 said:
They should be holstered. A threat could manifest at any time. Common sense should be used, it really doesn't seem that difficult a concept to me but I realize others have different opinions.

How about we just go ahead and abolish firearms for our officers?
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I’d be ok with making the cops follow the same inane and completely arbitrary rules on firearms as other civilians have to obey. That’s a start.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I’d be ok with making the cops follow the same inane and completely arbitrary rules on firearms as other civilians have to obey. That’s a start.
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They actually go through more rules to carry firearms than a civilian.

Required training yearly, registered weapons with ballistic tracing, regular laws PLUS additional policies to follow depending on the agency
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They actually go through more rules to carry firearms than a civilian.

Required training yearly, registered weapons with ballistic tracing, regular laws PLUS additional policies to follow depending on the agency
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********. I’ve seen cops in class and the word cluster**** is being kind.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
********. I’ve seen cops in class and the word cluster**** is being kind.
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Yea i have seen officers that are terrible at accuracy in firearms, and i've seen some that i would trust to make a head shot with a .38 from 50 yards away

I've seen doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, etc also do very bad at firearms training and some that could be sharpshooters
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Yea i have seen officers that are terrible at accuracy in firearms, and i've seen some that i would trust to make a head shot with a .38 from 50 yards away

I've seen doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, etc also do very bad at firearms training and some that could be sharpshooters
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Yeah, which one is going to respond to your situation....

I was actually speaking to the stupid laws like mag capacity bans and other silliness from our overlords. I mean, if it’s good enough for us, it should be for them too.
 
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#9,899
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, which one is going to respond to your situation....

I was actually speaking to the stupid laws like mag capacity bans and other silliness from our overlords. I mean, if it’s good enough for us, it should be for them too.
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I agree with the past paragraph.
 
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