'19 CA QB JT Daniels (Georgia commit)

[snowvols]

Yes by using stats. Besides beating JG by roughly 500 yards, while attempting 100+ more passes, what stats give JTD the edge?

Completion %? Even.
AVG per attempt? JG
Passing yards? JT
TDs? JG
INTs? JG
Rating? JG

So by using actual stats, what justifications is there in saying JTD is a significant upgrade? If Pruitt wants him then I am all for it. But I just don’t see how anyone can definitively state JTD is that much better than JG.

He set a USC record for completions in a game as a FR when he should have still been a SR at Meter Dei. He was great his last two games of his FR season and was killing it in the 1st half of the 1st game last season when he got hurt. He was on pace for 400+ that game. He had one season as a starter on a bad USC team and had his best games vs a playoff Notre Dame team, a 10-4 Texas team and a 11-2 Washington State team (which he beat and was 17-26 for 241 and 3 tds.) He's had multiple games better than JG and has only 13 starts, 12 of which he should have been at Mater Dei, starting over Bryce Young.

 

[VolInDayton]

Ok I will play along. You brought up Burrow and Adrian Martinez. Let’s go with your analogy as dumb as it is. There is plenty of data to prove Burrow is overwhelmingly better.

Burrow: 76%, 5671, 60 TDS, 6 INTs, 202 rating

Martinez: 61%, 4573, 27 TDS, 17 INTs, 130 rating

This just reiterates your stupidity. Burrow was infinitely better than any QB last year by a wide margin. Actual stats prove that. Oh and just to really drive it home, I used AMs last 2 seasons data while just using Burrows one.

So please offer up the statistical data that proves JTD would be an instant upgrade over any QB we have.

I can't argue with your logic because there is no logic. Burrow did not have great stats when he transfered which is why he was turned down by Nebraska.

The comparison you can't see goes as follows.

Burrow showed promise as a recruit. He battled for a starting job in a crowded QB room at OSU but Haskins passed him when he broke his hand.

JT Daniels was an outstanding recruit. JT Daniels still had the starting job as a sophomore until his injury. Slovis had a great season and took the starting job and has proved to be a good QB. A good QB who could NOT beat out Daniels until his injury.

Both Burrow and Daniels were talented recruits. Both had an injury. Both had other good QBs on their current teams roster who took advantage of the situation. Both went packing looking for greener pastures.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

Ok I will play along. You brought up Burrow and Adrian Martinez. Let’s go with your analogy as dumb as it is. There is plenty of data to prove Burrow is overwhelmingly better.

Burrow: 76%, 5671, 60 TDS, 6 INTs, 202 rating

Martinez: 61%, 4573, 27 TDS, 17 INTs, 130 rating

This just reiterates your stupidity. Burrow was infinitely better than any QB last year by a wide margin. Actual stats prove that. Oh and just to really drive it home, I used AMs last 2 seasons data while just using Burrows one.

So please offer up the statistical data that proves JTD would be an instant upgrade over any QB we have.

Ok, now post Burrow's statistics when he was at OSU, which would be what the Nebraska coaches based their decision off of, and his first season at LSU. Leave off last year, which nobody saw coming. No? Ok, I'll do it for you.

At Ohio State:

2016 - 78.6%, 226, 2 TD, 0 INT, 169.9 rating
2017 - 63.6%, 61, 0 TD, 0INT, 110.2 rating

At LSU:

2018 - 57.8%, 2894, 16 TD, 5 INT, 133.2 rating

The stats aren't so different now, are they?

For the record, I see the point you're trying to make, even though I completely disagree with it. You're going about it in the douchiest way possible (I've been there, done that, so I would know), so you're going to have less folks who want to hear your side of it. Also, you missed his point. He was trying to point out that Nebraska passed on him based on the stats I just posted above and the fact that they thought Martinez was the future. Hindsight is maybe 20/20 on that one, right? In fact, your post kind of helped make his point, douchy as it was. It also makes this point: If you can get a talented transfer at QB, you do it. He might not win the starting job, but then again, he might. The coaches don't have a qb on the roster who has looked like a world beater. Every qb that has played for them over the last 2 seasons has looked flawed and made bad decisions. The one qb who hasn't displayed those traits also hasn't taken a college snap. You saw how bad we are at qb if you watched the bowl game. So why wouldn't you take a transfer at the most important position on the field, hoping he's better than the competition? There is no argument. And you can make your point without coming across as an a-hole. I would bet you're not like that away from the keyboard. Most people aren't.

Edit: Now that I think about it, last season IS, in fact, relevant to the conversation, because it drives home the point that transfer qbs can and do make a huge difference in a team's win total from one season to the next.

 

[Wolfeman_Vol]

I figured as much. I think some are caught up in his hype and being a former 5*.

You figured as much what? That you have no more data than you demanded of others?

 

[justwatch123]

He set a USC record for completions in a game as a FR when he should have still been a SR at Meter Dei. He was great his last two games of his FR season and was killing it in the 1st half of the 1st game last season when he got hurt. He was on pace for 400+ that game. He had one season as a starter on a bad USC team and had his best games vs a playoff Notre Dame team, a 10-4 Texas team and a 11-2 Washington State team (which he beat and was 17-26 for 241 and 3 tds.) He's had multiple games better than JG and has only 13 starts, 12 of which he should have been at Mater Dei, starting over Bryce Young.

Agree but IMO he left early BECAUSE of Bryce. Young is a different animal and is definitely better than Daniels.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Ok, now post Burrow's statistics when he was at OSU, which would be what the Nebraska coaches based their decision off of, and his first season at LSU. Leave off last year, which nobody saw coming. No? Ok, I'll do it for you.

At Ohio State:

2016 - 78.6%, 226, 2 TD, 0 INT, 169.9 rating
2017 - 63.6%, 61, 0 TD, 0INT, 110.2 rating

At LSU:

2018 - 57.8%, 2894, 16 TD, 5 INT, 133.2 rating

The stats aren't so different now, are they?

For the record, I see the point you're trying to make, even though I completely disagree with it. You're going about it in the douchiest way possible (I've been there, done that, so I would know), so you're going to have less folks who want to hear your side of it. Also, you missed his point. He was trying to point out that Nebraska passed on him based on the stats I just posted above and the fact that they thought Martinez was the future. Hindsight is maybe 20/20 on that one, right? In fact, your post kind of helped make his point, douchy as it was. It also makes this point: If you can get a talented transfer at QB, you do it. He might not win the starting job, but then again, he might. The coaches don't have a qb on the roster who has looked like a world beater. Every qb that has played for them over the last 2 seasons has looked flawed and made bad decisions. The one qb who hasn't displayed those traits also hasn't taken a college snap. You saw how bad we are at qb if you watched the bowl game. So why wouldn't you take a transfer at the most important position on the field, hoping he's better than the competition? There is no argument. And you can make your point without coming across as an a-hole. I would bet you're not like that away from the keyboard. Most people aren't.

Edit: Now that I think about it, last season IS, in fact, relevant to the conversation, because it drives home the point that transfer qbs can and do make a huge difference in a team's win total from one season to the next.

Basically you are doing the same thing others are. There is not any proof that JT would be better than anything we have currently. You are likely using his HS ranking and potential.

No we don’t have any QB yet that shows they are world beaters. JTD hasn’t shown anything close to being one either and that’s my point.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You figured as much what? That you have no more data than you demanded of others?

I have data that says JG is better than JTD.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

Basically you are doing the same thing others are. There is not any proof that JT would be better than anything we have currently. You are likely using his HS ranking and potential.

No we don’t have any QB yet that shows they are world beaters. JTD hasn’t shown anything close to being one either and that’s my point.

I'm not going off anything from high school. I'm using what I saw out of our QB group last season. The starter consistently made bad reads and bad throws into double and triple coverage. The backup was worse outside of a couple of big plays. The third string guy showed a live arm but also made bad decisions. It got so bad that in the Mississippi State game, the coaches ran the ball some absurd number of times in a row because they didn't trust the qb to throw it.

Meanwhile, Daniels showed clear flashes of real potential his freshman year. No, his statistics don't show that he's better. However, you've got a much smaller sample size out of his true freshman year, put up next to 3 years of statistics from Guarantano. I support taking him to improve the QB situation. Maybe he can show the ability to read a defense and get the ball to the open man instead of throwing it into double and triple coverage. That by itself would be an upgrade from what we've put on the field the past two seasons.

I used my last post to illustrate that stats don't always hold water. Compare Ohio State/first-year LSU Burrow to Martinez, and you can see why Nebraska wasn't that interested in him. Then add in last year, and you can see why Nebraska should have taken a closer look at him. THAT was my point. UT coaches are absolutely right to try bringing him in.

 

[Adam Sandler]

If JTD can read a defense, get rid of the ball quickly, and spend his time beating defenses instead of trying not to beat him himself, then I don’t care what the stats say, he’s better than JG.

 

[Tri-CitiesVol]

It blows my mind that some here want JG to be the starter after enduring the torturous 2019 season. For my liver’s sake, please let it be HB or JTD. I can’t handle the late throws, Rick Vaughn swing passes, and inability to feel pressure.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Ok, now post Burrow's statistics when he was at OSU, which would be what the Nebraska coaches based their decision off of, and his first season at LSU. Leave off last year, which nobody saw coming. No? Ok, I'll do it for you.

At Ohio State:

2016 - 78.6%, 226, 2 TD, 0 INT, 169.9 rating
2017 - 63.6%, 61, 0 TD, 0INT, 110.2 rating

At LSU:

2018 - 57.8%, 2894, 16 TD, 5 INT, 133.2 rating

The stats aren't so different now, are they?

For the record, I see the point you're trying to make, even though I completely disagree with it. You're going about it in the douchiest way possible (I've been there, done that, so I would know), so you're going to have less folks who want to hear your side of it. Also, you missed his point. He was trying to point out that Nebraska passed on him based on the stats I just posted above and the fact that they thought Martinez was the future. Hindsight is maybe 20/20 on that one, right? In fact, your post kind of helped make his point, douchy as it was. It also makes this point: If you can get a talented transfer at QB, you do it. He might not win the starting job, but then again, he might. The coaches don't have a qb on the roster who has looked like a world beater. Every qb that has played for them over the last 2 seasons has looked flawed and made bad decisions. The one qb who hasn't displayed those traits also hasn't taken a college snap. You saw how bad we are at qb if you watched the bowl game. So why wouldn't you take a transfer at the most important position on the field, hoping he's better than the competition? There is no argument. And you can make your point without coming across as an a-hole. I would bet you're not like that away from the keyboard. Most people aren't.

Edit: Now that I think about it, last season IS, in fact, relevant to the conversation, because it drives home the point that transfer qbs can and do make a huge difference in a team's win total from one season to the next.

potential has to be considered. Flashes in the pan like against auburn seem less telling when 8/9 other games are trash. Fair to say jg potential is not much higher than what we’ve seen bc of the fact that he doesn’t read defenses and holds onto the ball too long (both fundamental mistakes), which even an improved oline can’t completely fix. If jtd can do those things, our offense could be remarkably more of a threat just from a balance point of view. Great receivers last year couldn’t make jg a good qb. But jtd with a good line might be able to make his receivers and rbs better.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

potential has to be considered. Flashes in the pan like against auburn seem less telling when 8/9 other games are trash. Fair to say jg potential is not much higher than what we’ve seen bc of the fact that he doesn’t read defenses and holds onto the ball too long (both fundamental mistakes), which even an improved oline can’t completely fix. If jtd can do those things, our offense could be remarkably more of a threat just from a balance point of view. Great receivers last year couldn’t make jg a good qb. But jtd with a good line might be able to make his receivers and rbs better.

And that's what the coaches are hoping. With a better line and great receivers, Guarantano actually got worse last year. Maybe Daniels can read a defense and get the ball out on time.

 

[UTSuave’]

It blows my mind that some here want JG to be the starter after enduring the torturous 2019 season. For my liver’s sake, please let it be HB or JTD. I can’t handle the late throws, Rick Vaughn swing passes, and inability to feel pressure.

Name another QB who threw 4 touchdowns and 2 interceptions all season as a freshman but people want to hate on BM and JT.BM could have shattered that horrible stat in one game if given the time same for JT but we will never know!...all I know is both QB’s (BM & JT) threw touchdowns passes on better defenses last year

 

[Tri-CitiesVol]

Name another QB who threw 4 touchdowns and 2 interceptions all season as a freshman but people want to hate on BM and JT.BM could have shattered that horrible stat in one game if given the time same for JT but we will never know!...all I know is both QB’s (BM & JT) threw touchdowns passes on better defenses last year

I would’ve loved to give JT more play after those beautiful throws against the Cocks. Just not a fan of Mauer. He had good moments, but wildly inconsistent and his body doesn’t hold up to his style of play. I’d prefer we start HB or JTD, but honestly, I’ll take any option not named Jarrett Guarantano.

 

[Blake25p]

Yes by using stats. Besides beating JG by roughly 500 yards, while attempting 100+ more passes, what stats give JTD the edge?

Completion %? Even.
AVG per attempt? JG
Passing yards? JT
TDs? JG
INTs? JG
Rating? JG

So by using actual stats, what justifications is there in saying JTD is a significant upgrade? If Pruitt wants him then I am all for it. But I just don’t see how anyone can definitively state JTD is that much better than JG.

So you want to compare a college freshman who should’ve been a senior in HS to a guy that’s been in college for 4 years? Doesn’t bode well for JG IMO.

 

[UTSuave’]

I would’ve loved to give JT more play after those beautiful throws against the Cocks. Just not a fan of Mauer. He had good moments, but wildly inconsistent and his body doesn’t hold up to his style of play. I’d prefer we start HB or JTD, but honestly, I’ll take any option not named Jarrett Guarantano.

I feel like if JT were thrown in the fire like BM was I think we would see the same things happen to him as they did with Brian..JT has been in the SC program longer so he was more built for college Brian wasn’t at all and was very small..I feel like Brian has the more upside because he is more mobile and knows when to leave the pocket to extend plays..we all seem that against Miss.st but then get got hurt..lol but I 100% agree ANYBODY but JG please!

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

Name another QB who threw 4 touchdowns and 2 interceptions all season as a freshman but people want to hate on BM and JT.BM could have shattered that horrible stat in one game if given the time same for JT but we will never know!...all I know is both QB’s (BM & JT) threw touchdowns passes on better defenses last year

We also watched both players make horrible decisions... Maurer made the same stupid throws into coverage that Gaurantano did, just in a smaller sample size. The only saving grace is that he was a true freshman. Shrout showed a good arm but not much else. Made some stupid plays like not going for the extra yard to get a first down against SC, and he was ineffective other times when he saw the field. You have to assume he's not showing much in practice to get that small an amount of playing time.

 

[TrippieRedd]

So you want to compare a college freshman who should’ve been a senior in HS to a guy that’s been in college for 4 years? Doesn’t bode well for JG IMO.

You convinced me, meniscus tear it is. I’m so glad we recruit injured players again. Bode well for us like it has the past.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

You convinced me, meniscus tear it is. I’m so glad we recruit injured players again. Bode well for us like it has the past.

So you are moving the goal posts to deflect now? Ok.

 

[UTSuave’]

We also watched both players make horrible decisions... Maurer made the same stupid throws into coverage that Gaurantano did, just in a smaller sample size. The only saving grace is that he was a true freshman. Shrout showed a good arm but not much else. Made some stupid plays like not going for the extra yard to get a first down against SC, and he was ineffective other times when he saw the field. You have to assume he's not showing much in practice to get that small an amount of playing time.

imagine being a QB and you want to be the starter knowing that if you mess up one time you’re pulled that’s the difference JG had security the others didn’t which compromised their overall performance one could argue.my point is over time with the game reps JG got even after F**kin up and being selfish if those were applied to JT and BM..the wrinkles in their game you’re describing would disappear but we will never know

 

[Smokeytom]

I don’t “draw any lines” but it “raised some flags”...so I commented. We lose some perspective on this “anonymous” platform and it’s fair play to point it out. Glad it brought you mirth you SOB...I hate you.

 

[cncchris33]

You convinced me, meniscus tear it is. I’m so glad we recruit injured players again. Bode well for us like it has the past.

You act like he got his leg blown off in ‘Nam. Meniscus tears don’t ruin careers, especially for pocket passing QBs. It may be different if he were a dual-threat guy who we were going to rely on to win us games with his legs. His arm is fine, his knee will heal, and all will be right with the world.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

You act like he got his leg blown off in ‘Nam. Meniscus tears don’t ruin careers, especially for pocket passing QBs. It may be different if he were a dual-threat guy who we were going to rely on to win us games with his legs. His arm is fine, his knee will heal, and all will be right with the world.

He's trying to deflect from the original conversation by changing the topic. I haven't seen the injury brought up other than in passing. It could possibly become a legitimate reason, but his original argument was that he "didn't want Daniels because he might cause others to leave". Now he's changed it to "We can't take all these injured players all the time". So my question is, which is it??

EDIT: And either way, as long as he checks out medically, neither one of these is a good reason not to take him.

 

[Devo182]

20 pages of pro/con arguments and we will either get him or not. Moot. But it's fun to play GM, I guess.

 

[drvenner]

Ok, now post Burrow's statistics when he was at OSU, which would be what the Nebraska coaches based their decision off of, and his first season at LSU. Leave off last year, which nobody saw coming. No? Ok, I'll do it for you.

At Ohio State:

2016 - 78.6%, 226, 2 TD, 0 INT, 169.9 rating
2017 - 63.6%, 61, 0 TD, 0INT, 110.2 rating

At LSU:

2018 - 57.8%, 2894, 16 TD, 5 INT, 133.2 rating

The stats aren't so different now, are they?

For the record, I see the point you're trying to make, even though I completely disagree with it. You're going about it in the douchiest way possible (I've been there, done that, so I would know), so you're going to have less folks who want to hear your side of it. Also, you missed his point. He was trying to point out that Nebraska passed on him based on the stats I just posted above and the fact that they thought Martinez was the future. Hindsight is maybe 20/20 on that one, right? In fact, your post kind of helped make his point, douchy as it was. It also makes this point: If you can get a talented transfer at QB, you do it. He might not win the starting job, but then again, he might. The coaches don't have a qb on the roster who has looked like a world beater. Every qb that has played for them over the last 2 seasons has looked flawed and made bad decisions. The one qb who hasn't displayed those traits also hasn't taken a college snap. You saw how bad we are at qb if you watched the bowl game. So why wouldn't you take a transfer at the most important position on the field, hoping he's better than the competition? There is no argument. And you can make your point without coming across as an a-hole. I would bet you're not like that away from the keyboard. Most people aren't.

Edit: Now that I think about it, last season IS, in fact, relevant to the conversation, because it drives home the point that transfer qbs can and do make a huge difference in a team's win total from one season to the next.

I still think Frost is an idiot.