Coronavirus (No politics)

[VolunteerHillbilly]

The lines will put people in close proximity and make them more likely to catch the virus. Absolutely stupid move.

Some might argue that the sooner the spreaders die off, the sooner the rest of us can beat this thing.

 

[JCP201]

 

[VolGee4]

The lines will put people in close proximity and make them more likely to catch the virus. Absolutely stupid move.

Depends on the store. My local Costco is very proactive. They have employees at every location where a line could form advising people to stay apart. Carts are also a natural barrier as long as people have them.

 

[chatsworth_vol]

Been comparing the model vs real data for Ga, and for deaths it seems fairly close. 198 deaths reported vs 177 (162-193) estimated. We were under the deaths per day 22 reported vs 25 predicted , but we've had a couple days with big spikes that jumped the total up. Hospital wise though the model is way off. Ga dph don't show hospital vs ICU vs vent but for total hospital cases we're reporting only 1,222 vs predicted 3,450 (2,445-4,817). The deaths obviously suck balls, but if it stays like this with hospital admission we'll hopefully get through this without overloading and crashing the medical system here.

 

[DrRosenRosen]

I'm heading to Walmart soon. I'll report back later today. They start their new measures today.

Changes to Our Shopping Process to Encourage Social Distancing

Drove by an ATT store yesterday. They were doing customer service in the parking lot. Rep would stand in one car spot and talk to the customers in the next spot over. Lowes has installed plexiglass barriers around the cashiers now.

It's a strange world out there now days. Amazing how quickly this all came on.

 

[VolGirl81]

I’ll have to ask my daughter about the Walmart measures. She got laid off from her job and in 2 days was hired as a Walmart night stocker. She said they were going to start taking temperatures but they don't have thermometers in place yet. Also getting masks and gloves, but don’t have them yet either

 

[TennTradition]

The lines will put people in close proximity and make them more likely to catch the virus. Absolutely stupid move.

Generally they mark the spots in line for families to stand.

 

[tn4elvis]

As we watch people dying all over the country my mind drifts back to the 23rd Psalm verse 4.Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,I will fear no evil,for though art with me,thy rod and thy staff comfort me. Praying for all those affected by this horrible disease.

 

[TennTradition]

Yea. Back in Jan the models were saying we should be in the multiple millions of dead by now.

Is that true? You mean globally? Because it doesn’t seem like anyone would have been running models back in January that said that the US would be at millions dead by this point. We didn’t even know we had a case until Jan 20. And there weren’t signs of community spread until later here in the US.

 

[Power T-Rev]

The problem is that we've handed over the country to the public health officials. It's obvious that this virus is serious, but so is the danger of an economic depression. All due respect to public health officials, but their only focus is the virus. We need others involved to weigh the economic risks as well

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

The problem is that we've handed over the country to the public health officials. It's obvious that this virus is serious, but so is the danger of an economic depression. All due respect to public health officials, but their only focus is the virus. We need others involved to weigh the economic risks as well

A soon as we put a dollar value on human lives, we risk having everyone who disagrees with their valuation taking to the streets. The AOCs and Bernies of this country could really turn this thing from a poopshow into a real nightmare. The economy will come back. It may take awhile for everyone to catch up and feel confident enough to spend freely but it will come back.

 

[Power T-Rev]

A soon as we put a dollar value on human lives, we risk having everyone who disagrees with their valuation taking to the streets. The AOCs and Bernies of this country could really turn this thing from a poopshow into a real nightmare. The economy will come back. It may take awhile for everyone to catch up and feel confident enough to spend freely but it will come back.

No one is putting a $ value on human lives. If you cant see that the longer this shutdown happens, more people will be harmed than the actual virus, you need to re-evaluate. It's a lazy take to say you either want to save the economy or human life. I'm not really referring to you, I just hate that take on twitter and other social media platforms

 

[salutethehill]

SC governor catching some crap, so I took a quick glance to see how states with a formal shelter-in-place (SIP) compare to states that don’t in number of cases per capita. All states that don’t have a SIP average a lower ranking in # of COVID cases than their population rank, except Utah. Ex:
TX - pop rank 2, COVID cases rank 11
SC - pop rank 23, COVID cases rank 24
States with a SIP are all over the place - some are faring better than their population rank (California), some are faring far worse (Louisiana).
I know this isn’t exact, but I’m too lazy to do population numbers right now.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

No one is putting a $ value on human lives. If you cant see that the longer this shutdown happens, more people will be harmed than the actual virus, you need to re-evaluate. It's a lazy take to say you either want to save the economy or human life. I'm not really referring to you, I just hate that take on twitter and other social media platforms

Whether I agree with it or not, that is how the debate has been framed. If we 'reopen', every single death that happens afterwards will be blamed on greed for money.

 

[VolnJC]

Governor of Alabama issues a stay at home order. We are only allowed out for grocery shopping or doctor appointments
1502 active cases/4,800,000
under 200 hospitalized
99.97% of Alabama residents virus free now locked inside for an indefinite time

 

[SmokyRiverDog]

Whether I agree with it or not, that is how the debate has been framed. If we 'reopen', every single death that happens afterwards will be blamed on greed for money.

I would argue that the economic factor of millions losing health insurance in the near future will exacerbate the future volatility of the virus and its spread/continued existence.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I would argue that the economic factor of millions losing health insurance in the near future will exacerbate the future volatility of the virus and its spread/continued existence.

My guess is there will be a vaccine developed from antibodies of recovered victims before we get round two. Not discounting the health insurance issue. There's not a win/win here.

 

[allvol123]

Governor of Alabama issues a stay at home order. We are only allowed out for grocery shopping or doctor appointments
1502 active cases/4,800,000
under 200 hospitalized
99.97% of Alabama residents virus free now locked inside for an indefinite time

Glorious.

 

[headhunter15]

Governor of Alabama issues a stay at home order. We are only allowed out for grocery shopping or doctor appointments
1502 active cases/4,800,000
under 200 hospitalized
99.97% of Alabama residents virus free now locked inside for an indefinite time

That is absolutely insane and ridiculous. This paranoia frenzy is going to cripple America’s economy and potentially knock us out of being a super power.

 

[VolnJC]

Just to show how awful the IHME model is that Drs Fauci and Birx keep referencing...remember these studies are funded by taxpayer dollars
Yesterday it predicted 121k coronavirus patients in the hospital actual number was 31k. Tennessee was projected to have over 2k actual number 200. Let's take a look at future projections. Right now Alabama has 1543 cases with 212 in the hospital. IHME study projects on
4/17 they will have 27,498 in the hospital. So 212/1543=27,498/X= 200,138 cases...which is more than NY, NJ, CA, FL, LA, MI, MA combined....these are the kind of studies that we are using to make public health policy?

 

[allvol123]

Just to show how awful the IHME model is that Drs Fauci and Birx keep referencing...remember these studies are funded by taxpayer dollars
Yesterday it predicted 121k coronavirus patients in the hospital actual number was 31k. Tennessee was projected to have over 2k actual number 200. Let's take a look at future projections. Right now Alabama has 1543 cases with 212 in the hospital. IHME study projects on
4/17 they will have 27,498 in the hospital. So 212/1543=27,498/X= 200,138 cases...which is more than NY, NJ, CA, FL, LA, MI, MA combined....these are the kind of studies that we are using to make public health policy?
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These are great posts. Thank you.

 

[SmokyRiverDog]

My guess is there will be a vaccine developed from antibodies of recovered victims before we get round two. Not discounting the health insurance issue. There's not a win/win here.

We will have millions without health insurance in the next couple of months. The vaccine is likely 18 months away, maybe 12 months if miraculous work is done. That is an economic and public health disaster in the months between those two problems.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Governor of Alabama issues a stay at home order. We are only allowed out for grocery shopping or doctor appointments
1502 active cases/4,800,000
under 200 hospitalized
99.97% of Alabama residents virus free now locked inside for an indefinite time

 

[TheDeeble]

Is that true? You mean globally? Because it doesn’t seem like anyone would have been running models back in January that said that the US would be at millions dead by this point. We didn’t even know we had a case until Jan 20. And there weren’t signs of community spread until later here in the US.

Maybe not models. Someone found estimates back in Jan based on the spread in China and what was being predicted worldwide. This is from late Jan in the politics forums coronavirus thread...

 

[DrRosenRosen]

They had the line setup to get into Walmart but there was no wait this morning. Didn't seem like many Walmart employees had masks so I'm guessing those are still in transit. I spent most of my time in the paints / home improvement area. Nobody over there.

Plenty of meat and groceries today. Plenty of employees out front helping to keep order and direct people. More and more face masks on customers every time I venture out now days.