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Stew Cook said:
Other than Trump's comments on mail-in votes, yesterday.. The situation on the ship has been very high profile. If Trump didn't want the officer removed, he quite simply wouldn't be. I think everyone knows this, the sailors absolutely know this.
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Not interfering with military justice doesn't place responsibility on Trump. I've already discussed with Septic that if Trump did decide to interfere, I'd be much more okay with it than I was with him interfering previously. But overall, Presidents should stay out of military justice. When you blame Trump for everything, you lose credibility when you blame him for something where he actually deserves the blame.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Yeah, reassigned is the scuttlebutt. He'll probably end up as a Tugboat captain if he doesn't lose his commission. I have little doubt that Trump perceives the swell of support from the rank and file, that went viral, as a personal assault.

As Trump loses support of the military I wouldn't be surprised he he makes it harder for them to vote in the upcoming election. You know, "can't allow mail in votes, because they'll cheat".
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Do you even military?
Trump wouldn’t even know about this Captain without the MSM blowup. If you think as CiC that he oversees every promo, reassignment or reprimand the military processes ....well, you’re just ridiculously delusional.
 
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As I see it, the Captain was in a Catch-22. He made the decision that will allow him to look in the mirror and sleep at night.

I also know he knew what was coming and did what he felt he must do. I also understand command, procedure, and consequences when you step outside of it and so did he, much better than I do.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
There’s already a provision to open enrollment to the ACA for 60 days if you lose employer coverage. Unwad panties please.
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I believe I saw where it was going to be in effect until December of this year away . I’d have to go back and check but I think I posted a link to that specifically before all this happened .
 
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DynaLo said:
And so... depending on where he was on the promotion list he “may” get bumped down and have to wait on the next round or two.

I’ve seen a Full Bird get retired out over words, harmless words jokingly spoken at a booze flowing conference party, where a newly minted Lt got her knickers wadded, got offended and raised the roof. The Colonel got booted right into a cushy civilian job that’s still associated with the military. Ultimately they will always take care of their own if that opportunity arises.

The MSM is doing that Cpt no great favors by continuing to incessantly bleat over this. They’re actually causing him more career harm that what the jacket flag would do.
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I agree with the part about the continuous coverage doing more harm. And the Captain knew the possible consequences and accepted them. But I admire he was looking out for the welfare of his sailors.
 
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DynaLo said:
Do you even military?
Trump wouldn’t even know about this Captain without the MSM blowup. If you think as CiC that he oversees every promo, reassignment or reprimand the military processes ....well, you’re just ridiculously delusional.
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You didn't know? No one gets promoted without Trump signing off. They have to swear to vote for R's to get ahead.
 
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The ACA crying is yet another orange man bad red herring. If you’ve lost your job you have COBRA/ACA/Medicaid options. If you’re over 65 you qualify for Medicare anyways. If you made the choice last year to not carry insurance then this is what that looks like.
 
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37L1 said:
First you don't want him involved in the military justice system, now you do.

Interesting.
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I want consistency. This wasn't Trumps doing (probably), but it'd be a stain on the U.S. armed forces nonetheless - it's sending a message to the other commanding officers, optics before humanity.

This guy is an actual asset to the Navy and our country, I get it though - he did the right thing, the wrong way - he knew it was a resignation letter.
 
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37L1 said:
As I see it, the Captain was in a Catch-22. He made the decision that will allow him to look in the mirror and sleep at night.

I also know he knew what was coming and did what he felt he must do. I also understand command, procedure, and consequences when you step outside of it and so did he, much better than I do.
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I agree to the point that thinking the high-profile nature of this incident wouldn't provoke Trump's intervention. Do you honestly think that, especially after the videos from yesterday, that he isn't taking this as an affront. The man's ego is so damned fragile, I just don't believe he is capable of the restraint.

The thing that got this Cpt in trouble was the leaked letter, if it hadn't have, the man would still have his command.

I'll say it's "my opinion" because it obviously is.
 
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DynaLo said:
Do you even military?
Trump wouldn’t even know about this Captain without the MSM blowup. If you think as CiC that he oversees every promo, reassignment or reprimand the military processes ....well, you’re just ridiculously delusional.
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We wouldn't know about it without the leak. I'd say it's possible that he and the next person in the chain knew of the problem and the Cpt was willing to face the backlash, regardless.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I agree to the point that thinking the high-profile nature of this incident wouldn't provoke Trump's intervention. Do you honestly think that, especially after the videos from yesterday, that he isn't taking this as an affront. The man's ego is so damned fragile, I just don't believe he is capable of the restraint.

The thing that got this Cpt in trouble was the leaked letter, if it hadn't have, the man would still have his command.

I'll say it's "my opinion" because it obviously is.
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It wasn't leaked, it was CC'd to 20 or 30 people besides his immediate supervisor. Granted, all of those people were likely in the chain of command and not his high school buddies but that's not how it works...
 
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There are two sets of magical phrases to get anything done in the military when situations become stagnant.
One is “Talking to the Chaplain” which works wonderfully well in family life situations. Folks don’t fully comprehend the actually power a military chaplain wields.
The second is “Congressional Inquiry” and it’ll make the top brass twitch and spasm. This is the route the Captain should have used if he felt CoC channels were failing, not going outside set protocols and creating a media feeding frenzy.
 
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Septic said:
It wasn't leaked, it was CC'd to 20 or 30 people besides his immediate supervisor. Granted, all of those people were likely in the chain of command and not his high school buddies...
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I guess someone else will be "reassigned", seeing how it must have made it to the press via someone in that chain, official or otherwise.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I agree to the point that thinking the high-profile nature of this incident wouldn't provoke Trump's intervention. Do you honestly think that, especially after the videos from yesterday, that he isn't taking this as an affront. The man's ego is so damned fragile, I just don't believe he is capable of the restraint.

The thing that got this Cpt in trouble was the leaked letter, if it hadn't have, the man would still have his command.

I'll say it's "my opinion" because it obviously is.
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You are entitled to it, no problem with me. I have no idea how Trump is taking it. Until he says or does something in regards to it, if he even does, none of us knows for sure. But go ahead with your conjecture, I'll wait.
 
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Stew Cook said:
We wouldn't know about it without the leak. I'd say it's possible that he and the next person in the chain knew of the problem and the Cpt was willing to face the backlash, regardless.
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Sure we would, guys like that don't get bounced in secret. They were sending a message.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
The ACA crying is yet another orange man bad red herring. If you’ve lost your job you have COBRA/ACA/Medicaid options. If you’re over 65 you qualify for Medicare anyways. If you made the choice last year to not carry insurance then this is what that looks like.
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There are still 30 million Americans without health insurance. Most cannot afford even ACA premiums.
 
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37L1 said:
You are entitled to it, no problem with me. I have no idea how Trump is taking it. Until he says or does something in regards to it, if he even does, none of us knows for sure. But go ahead with your conjecture, I'll wait.
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you won't have to wait long. my conjecture is solid.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I guess someone else will be "reassigned", seeing how it must have made it to the press via someone in that chain, official or otherwise.
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Someone sent it to the SF Chronicle I believe, I suppose it's possible that the Captain did it - that would be surprising. I'm sure that Captain has supporters up his CoC that wanted to, but couldn't help him.
 
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