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LouderVol said:
No way we bounce back that quick even under your scenario of a quick fix. If we do Trump gets elected for life, and I dont want that.

It's not a switch you just turn back on. You are preaching an Obama level Solyndra event to artificially try and create demand when it isnt there. And just to throw it out there Solyndra was a great product.

1. Its not the governments job to do that.
2. Even if it was they can barely hold a press conference. No way they know exactly how to inject money into the economy to effectively jump start it to 2019 levels.
3. Even if 1 and 2 happens it's still TRILLIONS of dollars they just made up. That chicken is coming home to roost. Even Communist China, which does nothing but bake their economies numbers, show they took a hit.

You cant turn off the economy for a month, two months, and assume it all goes back to normal.
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My question is .. who in their right mind would want to be POTUS after this thing is over ? There’s not a scenario I can think of or enough money to make me want to be responsible for what’s coming .
 
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Rifleman said:
The economy was screwed once the virus had a foothold here along with the entire Northern Hemisphere. We are just trying to get past the initial wave without overwhelming the hospitals.

Just imagine if we get another month or two out and some lab using modern techniques and machine learning gets the vaccine done early. You know every virologist with any ambition is working 20 hours a day right now to claim the inevitable Nobel Prize and eternal fame that person will get.

If that happens, the economy roars back on the wave of stimulus that just went out and ends up stronger than it was by this time next year.
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BINGO! That's one of the positives about a private healthcare system. Greedy (for fame, money or the love and respect of their neighbors) people have the freedom and resources to pursue solutions independent of big brother. Mind you big brother still has to approve but we have multiple channels working toward the same goals right now - a treatment and vaccine.
 
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DynaLo said:
Freaking Captain should be relieved of duty for that shite. Letter should stay within Command structure not open to all eyes. Talk about shoving OPSEC down the toilet and flushing twice right there.
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Well he very well may be relieved of duty. Although, again, the situation has been known for a week, just not to what extent. If he's putting the lives of those on the ship over protocol to an unresponsive CoC, I'm not inclined to bash the man.
 
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Orangeburst said:
It was leaked to the press, ie SFC, although the senior officer may be in hot water.

"The unusual plea from Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, came in a letter obtained exclusively by The Chronicle and confirmed by a senior officer on board the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt.."
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Loose lips sink ships. They need to find that leak and plug it.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Well he very well may be relieved of duty. Although, again, the situation has been known for a week, just not to what extent. If he's putting the lives of those on the ship over protocol to an unresponsive CoC, I'm not inclined to bash the man.
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Mission, Men, Me
 
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Stew Cook said:
Well he very well may be relieved of duty. Although, again, the situation has been known for a week, just not to what extent. If he's putting the lives of those on the ship over protocol to an unresponsive CoC, I'm not inclined to bash the man.
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One doesn’t just doesn’t stumble into being a carrier commander and that commander does not “ pen an open letter “ about situations aboard his ship for the world to see . He’s done regardless of what’s going on . ( just an opinion , we will have to wait and see )
 
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Sea Ray said:
You're missing a key phrase which ought to follow each of your three points above and that is "...in my opinion"

You state it as if it is fact. No this is merely your opinion and we'll take it as such. Liberals need to be careful and not conflate facts with opinions
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Yes, it is my perception. It is, however, a point of view shared by many.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Could you give us an honest typical profile of an anti-Trumper?

And also, where would you classify a person like myself, who didn't vote for Trump, but couldn't vote for Hillary, either?
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Anti-Trumper?

There are a few different profiles, I'd say.

1) Standard Democrat. Opposes him on partisan grounds.

2) Republican or independent that finds him personally unacceptable, either due to his personal misbehavior in the past, or his willingness to lie so much now and in the future. For some Republicans, I do detect a bit of embarrassment that he labels himself a Republican.

3) Largely apolitical folks who are driven by science, or respect for science and professionals in a practical sense, and who see Trump as antagonistic or insulting to those ideals.

Those are some primary examples.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yes and no.

I think your observations are correct. I thought that was unique to Trumpism until I got deeply interested in this primary process. The Bernie Bro movement is the exact same way. They’re the same conspiracy-minded, zero dissent allowed, hive-mind “everything is existential” culture that you see in Pro-Trump echo chambers.

Now, maybe that’s only 30-40% of the left and it has been repudiated pretty thoroughly by the other 60-70%. However, I think a large motivator behind that repudiation is Trump fatigue and the fundamental perception of those similarities.

Bernie isn’t like Trump in terms of loyalty, or at least hasn’t been in a position to show it, and his movement pre-dates trump so while I think you’re correct that Trump fosters more of it among the right, I don’t think that’s a prerequisite.

It’s difficult to find illustrative examples from this forum because I don’t think we have any regulars who are actual far-leftists, but even so, I see you guys occasionally get suckered into defending or deflecting from democrat nonsense from time to time. In other forums I see people cheering on some of that same nonsense as if it’s not nonsense at all. So I think if we had a more representative cross section of democrats here and if the party had more power (and thus the opportunity to engage in more nonsense) I suspect there would be more tribal pressure on that 60-70% to act the same way.

I started to see it with the Biden accusation this week, too. While I think it’s clear that woman has some unique credibility issues (like a prior statement where she explicitly denied being sexualized) the Biden subreddit had mostly dismissed that as Russian agit-prop. To me, that seemed far-fetched from what is usually a pretty rational group of people.

Sorry, long post, but to me, the takeaway is that it’s actually a cultural thing that pervades both sides and some of the marginal difference is more situational than fundamental.
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Actually, I agree with you on the Bernie Sanders phenomenon. Its is also largely cultish.

Its odd in that both share these feelings of being extremely insular, and to view themselves as under attack all the time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Anti-Trumper?

There are a few different profiles, I'd say.

1) Standard Democrat. Opposes him on partisan grounds.

2) Republican or independent that finds him personally unacceptable, either due to his personal misbehavior in the past, or his willingness to lie so much now and in the future. For some Republicans, I do detect a bit of embarrassment that he labels himself a Republican.

3) Largely apolitical folks who are driven by science, or respect for science and professionals in a practical sense, and who see Trump as antagonistic or insulting to those ideals.

Those are some primary examples.
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4) Democrats that are so pissed off that their Hildabeast lost they literally hate everything!
 
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British and American submariners are likely to have NO idea about the coronavirus pandemic because they are deliberately shielded from anything that could distract them

British and American submariners stealthily cruising the ocean depths are likely to have no idea about the coronavirus pandemic, former and current officers have revealed.

The teams, which are at sea for 60 to 70 days at a time on top secret missions of nuclear deterrence, are deliberately shielded from world news to improve mission focus and because it could undermine morale.


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They are believed to be one of the last pockets of humanity unaware of the global shutdown and almost 40,000 deaths caused by the virus so far.

France has the sixth highest number of confirmed cases globally, at 45,170, and has instigated a nationwide lockdown as authorities grapple to contain the outbreak.

Officers said that any crews that left port before the virus spread will most likely be spared the news until the final two days of their mission, when they are heading back to port.

'They won´t know,' said retired Admiral Dominique Salles, who commanded the French ballistic submarine squadron from 2003-2006 and the nuclear-armed submarine L'Inflexible. When he was on a 60-day mission he wasn't told his father had died until he got back to shore.

'The boys need to be completely available for their mission. Those who are at sea don´t need this information.

British and American submariners are likely to have NO idea about the coronavirus pandemic | Daily Mail Online
 
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U.S. spies find coronavirus spread is hard to chart in China, Russia and North Korea

As US spy agencies seek to assemble a precise picture of the world's coronavirus outbreaks, they are finding serious gaps in their ability to assess the situation in China, Russia and North Korea, according to five US government sources familiar with the intelligence reporting.

The agencies also have limited insight into the full impact of the pandemic in Iran, although information on infections and deaths among the ruling class and public is becoming more available on official and social media, two sources said.

The four countries are known by US spy agencies as 'hard targets' because of the heavy state controls on information and the difficulty, even in normal times, of collecting intelligence from within their closed leadership circles.


U.S. spies find coronavirus spread is hard to chart in China, Russia and North Korea | Daily Mail Online
 
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