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hog88 said:
From what I can find on the interweb they did not fix it. Regardless of what you were making you can get $600 on top of whatever the state pays.

Better keep those printing presses humming.
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There was talk about Trump meeting Yang the other day. Now I do not know if the Trump Admin knew the consequences of the Congressional legislation, but almost like they are testing the waters with a UBI.
 
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Was looking at the March daily chart on new coronavirus infections. From about the second week in March, the number of infections was doubling every 2-3 days. May be nothing to it, but looks like starting in the past week it's taking at least four days to double. Number of infections slowing down? We can only hope. If this starts stretching out to 6-8 days, then 10 etc., that would be a good sign.

Edit: China, IMO, is still lying it's @$$ off.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
What about small business owners that are still operational but have seen a major decline in revenue?
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I don't know. Unless you own a grocery store or Chik-fil-a you will probably take a hit. I just think that the Government should be a little more prudent handing out money.
 
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bnhunt said:
What a great post. This board is 85% right-wing and most think that every post that doesn't conform to their ideology or worship Trump is stupid or evil because they are so used to living in a state and being on a message board where almost everyone agrees with them. It almost shocks them when someone doesn't.
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I don’t agree with this in terms of people’s motivations. I think there are a number of cultural and social failings that have caused a minority of people to get too wrapped up in politics to the point that they cannot voice or accept criticism of the figurehead of their “tribe” because it would risk a loss of social connections.

Additionally, there are people who are legitimately tired of being condescended to or who view criticisms from the other tribe as melodramatic or hypocritical.

These people exist on both sides and IMO the presence of a nationally elected Presidential figurehead is likely the only reason it seems more universal on the right. I think the very involved Biden voters would likely circle the wagons for him in the event that he’s elected.

Maybe the first part of what I’m saying is six of one to your half-a-dozen of another In terms of the echo chamber phenomenon but I think it’s maybe more of a chicken and egg phenomenon.
 
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LouderVol said:
A 3.5% increase in deaths for a year (assuming no trade offs) is worth screwing the economy?
2.8 million die a year in the US.
Unemployment in the tens of millions, wage growth gone, hiring freezes, businesses gone.

And the impact goes far beyond the 30% who are unemployed, and Carrie's over to those who keep a job.
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The economy was screwed once the virus had a foothold here along with the entire Northern Hemisphere. We are just trying to get past the initial wave without overwhelming the hospitals.

Just imagine if we get another month or two out and some lab using modern techniques and machine learning gets the vaccine done early. You know every virologist with any ambition is working 20 hours a day right now to claim the inevitable Nobel Prize and eternal fame that person will get.

If that happens, the economy roars back on the wave of stimulus that just went out and ends up stronger than it was by this time next year.
 
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hog88 said:
From what I can find on the interweb they did not fix it. Regardless of what you were making you can get $600 on top of whatever the state pays.

Better keep those printing presses humming.
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If I remember right, Sasse (Neb.) tried to tack on an amendment that capped unemployment at your previous pay rate, but it failed.

I'd have to go back into the bill to see for sure, but I don't feel like making my eyes bleed this morning. I read it yesterday and still question my sanity for doing it.

I'm leaning further to the left each week, but even I think that was a ridiculous thing to not put in there. A lot of our craft guys already know that $875 number and are just waiting on a shutdown. It will be a culling of sorts with the dead weight bailing to chase the easy money, but you'll lose some of the decent ones too.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t agree with this in terms of people’s motivations. I think there are a number of cultural and social failings that have caused a minority of people to get too wrapped up in politics to the point that they cannot voice or accept criticism of the figurehead of their “tribe” because it would risk a loss of social connections.

Additionally, there are people who are legitimately tired of being condescended to or who view criticisms from the other tribe as melodramatic or hypocritical.

These people exist on both sides and IMO the presence of a nationally elected Presidential figurehead is likely the only reason it seems more universal on the right. I think the very involved Biden voters would likely circle the wagons for him in the event that he’s elected.

Maybe the first part of what I’m saying is six of one to your half-a-dozen of another In terms of the echo chamber phenomenon but I think it’s maybe more of a chicken and egg phenomenon.
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There is a lot of merit to what you say, but don't you think that Trumpism is more insular than typical partisan allegiance in the past? I say that for several reasons, including:

-- Trump, himself, does not accept disloyalty. Fauci has been a notable exception, but otherwise as soon as Trump perceives that an official is not going to support 100 % of what Trump says, or might have even a slightly different take on things, that person is ousted.

-- Similarly, Trump supporters are markedly more inclined than past partisan examples to be absolutely intolerable of dissent. Look at the long list of well-respected Republicans who dared voice a significant difference of opinion. As you noted, they can lose connections. But this is worse. They are immediately ostracized, threatened, etc.

-- the notable banding of Trump's support. He has a particular base. It does not grow much, statistically speaking, when things are going well. But neither does it shrink much, if at all. This supports the notion of a singular identity when it comes to Trump, which yet again mirrors his management style. You are either unquestioning and all in on him, or you are out.
 
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Stew Cook said:
The point was, I believe, that is the best case scenario, if we do things perfectly. The way I see it, we don't have the things we need to proceed responsibly, at present.

I realize that some believe we cold have a 10% mortality rate, and that would still be acceptable. I'm not sure what your number is, but until we can count on having the basic items required to be responsible, I'm fine with the extraordinary measures.

We adapt and evolve, and carry on, but I hope not prematurely.
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That 3.5 is the increase in death rate. Not population percentage. Even doubled the math doesnt add up.

We would have to be 33 times worse than best case to reach a single percentage point of the population.

On average .8% of the population dies a year. Even a million dying, which I would agree is pretty darn bad, from covid is .3%. And since we are seeing the already at risk population get hit the hardest. I am willing to bet a significant number of those .3% would have been in the .8% anyway.

Unemployment numbers are all over. Seeing as high as 50 million. Taking 33 million to not be worst or best case, similar to my million number of covid deaths, would be 10% of the population.

So in this case a possible .3% is greater than a possible 10%.

As others have pointed out suicides will be another number to watch . 50k is "normal" for future reference. Someone earlier said Knox county was already experiencing more than typical. Anecdotal at best, but worrying.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I don't know. Unless you own a grocery store or Chik-fil-a you will probably take a hit. I just think that the Government should be a little more prudent handing out money.
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Chick-Fil-A is like the cockroach of businesses. They could probably survive a nuke attack. And they never run out of chicken and buns.

Its like they can feed 5000 people with a few loaves and 3 chicken breasts.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is a lot of merit to what you say, but don't you think that Trumpism is more insular than typical partisan allegiance in the past? I say that for several reasons, including:

-- Trump, himself, does not accept disloyalty. Fauci has been a notable exception, but otherwise as soon as Trump perceives that an official is not going to support 100 % of what Trump says, or might have even a slightly different take on things, that person is ousted.

-- Similarly, Trump supporters are markedly more inclined than past partisan examples to be absolutely intolerable of dissent. Look at the long list of well-respected Republicans who dared voice a significant difference of opinion. As you noted, they can lose connections. But this is worse. They are immediately ostracized, threatened, etc.

-- the notable banding of Trump's support. He has a particular base. It does not grow much, statistically speaking, when things are going well. But neither does it shrink much, if at all. This supports the notion of a singular identity when it comes to Trump, which yet again mirrors his management style. You are either unquestioning and all in on him, or you are out.
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You're missing a key phrase which ought to follow each of your three points above and that is "...in my opinion"

You state it as if it is fact. No this is merely your opinion and we'll take it as such. Liberals need to be careful and not conflate facts with opinions
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Chick-Fil-A is like the cockroach of businesses. They could probably survive a nuke attack. And they never run out of chicken and buns.

Its like they can feed 5000 people with a few loaves and 3 chicken breasts.
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Waffle House, used as the barometer for natural disasters by FEMA since it never closes, is having a tough time with COVID 19. They've shut down over 400 restaurants out of about 2,000. The lack of drive thru is killing them. Chik fil A drive thru by my house is miles long in the morning and at lunch time. It's crazy.
 
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Rifleman said:
The economy was screwed once the virus had a foothold here along with the entire Northern Hemisphere. We are just trying to get past the initial wave without overwhelming the hospitals.

Just imagine if we get another month or two out and some lab using modern techniques and machine learning gets the vaccine done early. You know every virologist with any ambition is working 20 hours a day right now to claim the inevitable Nobel Prize and eternal fame that person will get.

If that happens, the economy roars back on the wave of stimulus that just went out and ends up stronger than it was by this time next year.
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No way we bounce back that quick even under your scenario of a quick fix. If we do Trump gets elected for life, and I dont want that.

It's not a switch you just turn back on. You are preaching an Obama level Solyndra event to artificially try and create demand when it isnt there. And just to throw it out there Solyndra was a great product.

1. Its not the governments job to do that.
2. Even if it was they can barely hold a press conference. No way they know exactly how to inject money into the economy to effectively jump start it to 2019 levels.
3. Even if 1 and 2 happens it's still TRILLIONS of dollars they just made up. That chicken is coming home to roost. Even Communist China, which does nothing but bake their economies numbers, show they took a hit.

You cant turn off the economy for a month, two months, and assume it all goes back to normal.
 
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