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hog88 said:
There will be drastic changes in how people work after this is all over so I wouldn't bet that number is far off. In my little insignificant part of the world I can see a couple employees that I'm questioning the need for. Mainly because 1 is taking the "work from home" option as a vacation and the other from some efficiencies we've found.
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One is a dumb**s. The other is just a normal part of business.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is a lot of merit to what you say, but don't you think that Trumpism is more insular than typical partisan allegiance in the past? I say that for several reasons, including:

-- Trump, himself, does not accept disloyalty. Fauci has been a notable exception, but otherwise as soon as Trump perceives that an official is not going to support 100 % of what Trump says, or might have even a slightly different take on things, that person is ousted.

-- Similarly, Trump supporters are markedly more inclined than past partisan examples to be absolutely intolerable of dissent. Look at the long list of well-respected Republicans who dared voice a significant difference of opinion. As you noted, they can lose connections. But this is worse. They are immediately ostracized, threatened, etc.

-- the notable banding of Trump's support. He has a particular base. It does not grow much, statistically speaking, when things are going well. But neither does it shrink much, if at all. This supports the notion of a singular identity when it comes to Trump, which yet again mirrors his management style. You are either unquestioning and all in on him, or you are out.
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Could you give us an honest typical profile of an anti-Trumper?

And also, where would you classify a person like myself, who didn't vote for Trump, but couldn't vote for Hillary, either?
 
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LouderVol said:
That 3.5 is the increase in death rate. Not population percentage. Even doubled the math doesnt add up.

We would have to be 33 times worse than best case to reach a single percentage point of the population.

On average .8% of the population dies a year. Even a million dying, which I would agree is pretty darn bad, from covid is .3%. And since we are seeing the already at risk population get hit the hardest. I am willing to bet a significant number of those .3% would have been in the .8% anyway.

Unemployment numbers are all over. Seeing as high as 50 million. Taking 33 million to not be worst or best case, similar to my million number of covid deaths, would be 10% of the population.

So in this case a possible .3% is greater than a possible 10%.

As others have pointed out suicides will be another number to watch . 50k is "normal" for future reference. Someone earlier said Knox county was already experiencing more than typical. Anecdotal at best, but worrying.
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My hypothetical 10% was referencing deaths attributed to the virus, but since we are sort of in the dark on who has it and where, any projections will be flawed both before and after the peak.

One thing is for sure, if that 100k on the low end projection is correct, our healthcare system will all but collapse, given the nature of infection, and risk to caregivers. Even 200k deaths is now a low end projection.

Again, it depends a lot upon the timeline, but we have to slow the roll, as I see it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Really surprised CNN is reporting this news.
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I’ve been saying all along this will be close to the flu and been blown way out of proportion.

The funny thing about all this is we don’t have a vaccine, but it is compared to the flu, for which we have the vaccine for.

I know there are multiple strands of the flu.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is a lot of merit to what you say, but don't you think that Trumpism is more insular than typical partisan allegiance in the past? I say that for several reasons, including:

-- Trump, himself, does not accept disloyalty. Fauci has been a notable exception, but otherwise as soon as Trump perceives that an official is not going to support 100 % of what Trump says, or might have even a slightly different take on things, that person is ousted.

-- Similarly, Trump supporters are markedly more inclined than past partisan examples to be absolutely intolerable of dissent. Look at the long list of well-respected Republicans who dared voice a significant difference of opinion. As you noted, they can lose connections. But this is worse. They are immediately ostracized, threatened, etc.

-- the notable banding of Trump's support. He has a particular base. It does not grow much, statistically speaking, when things are going well. But neither does it shrink much, if at all. This supports the notion of a singular identity when it comes to Trump, which yet again mirrors his management style. You are either unquestioning and all in on him, or you are out.
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Some of y'all forgot the Obama days is all I can say.

Obamanites circled the wagons like nobody's business and Obama himself routinely target critics harshly (spied on a few even).

2008-2016 had just as many sycophants as now - it was just a different group of people
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
I’ve been saying all along this will be close to the flu and been blown way out of proportion.

The funny thing about all this is we don’t have a vaccine, but it is compared to the flu, for which we have the vaccine for.

I know there are multiple strands of the flu.
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I wonder what the death rate is for people who dont get the flu shots vs Covid?

That would be a more apples to apples comparison, imo.
 
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vols40 said:
Perhaps he knew of the on hand supply and hospital capacity numbers before taking the stupid question?
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Perhaps you could explain what makes it a stupid question.
He said he believed that some of the numbers were inflated. She asked how this would affect how he decided to allocate the supplies.
He claimed that the question was threatening.
Please explain how the question wasn’t legitimate.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Your welcome. Although, I'm wondering what you think didn't sound that bad?
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Didn’t sound as bad as I initially took it..... she stated they are not really for sure..... the reporter re asked her about and she said well according to your report ..... people are not following social distancing so it could get that bad...... this is jmo though but I don’t think it will.... it could grow pretty high if it keeps getting into skilled nursing facilities though.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Wow, is this an attempt to suggest he should shut up and go down with the ship?
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Freaking Captain should be relieved of duty for that shite. Letter should stay within Command structure not open to all eyes. Talk about shoving OPSEC down the toilet and flushing twice right there.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is a lot of merit to what you say, but don't you think that Trumpism is more insular than typical partisan allegiance in the past? I say that for several reasons, including:

-- Trump, himself, does not accept disloyalty. Fauci has been a notable exception, but otherwise as soon as Trump perceives that an official is not going to support 100 % of what Trump says, or might have even a slightly different take on things, that person is ousted.

-- Similarly, Trump supporters are markedly more inclined than past partisan examples to be absolutely intolerable of dissent. Look at the long list of well-respected Republicans who dared voice a significant difference of opinion. As you noted, they can lose connections. But this is worse. They are immediately ostracized, threatened, etc.

-- the notable banding of Trump's support. He has a particular base. It does not grow much, statistically speaking, when things are going well. But neither does it shrink much, if at all. This supports the notion of a singular identity when it comes to Trump, which yet again mirrors his management style. You are either unquestioning and all in on him, or you are out.
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Yes and no.

I think your observations are correct. I thought that was unique to Trumpism until I got deeply interested in this primary process. The Bernie Bro movement is the exact same way. They’re the same conspiracy-minded, zero dissent allowed, hive-mind “everything is existential” culture that you see in Pro-Trump echo chambers.

Now, maybe that’s only 30-40% of the left and it has been repudiated pretty thoroughly by the other 60-70%. However, I think a large motivator behind that repudiation is Trump fatigue and the fundamental perception of those similarities.

Bernie isn’t like Trump in terms of loyalty, or at least hasn’t been in a position to show it, and his movement pre-dates trump so while I think you’re correct that Trump fosters more of it among the right, I don’t think that’s a prerequisite.

It’s difficult to find illustrative examples from this forum because I don’t think we have any regulars who are actual far-leftists, but even so, I see you guys occasionally get suckered into defending or deflecting from democrat nonsense from time to time. In other forums I see people cheering on some of that same nonsense as if it’s not nonsense at all. So I think if we had a more representative cross section of democrats here and if the party had more power (and thus the opportunity to engage in more nonsense) I suspect there would be more tribal pressure on that 60-70% to act the same way.

I started to see it with the Biden accusation this week, too. While I think it’s clear that woman has some unique credibility issues (like a prior statement where she explicitly denied being sexualized) the Biden subreddit had mostly dismissed that as Russian agit-prop. To me, that seemed far-fetched from what is usually a pretty rational group of people.

Sorry, long post, but to me, the takeaway is that it’s actually a cultural thing that pervades both sides and some of the marginal difference is more situational than fundamental.
 
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DynaLo said:
Freaking Captain should be relieved of duty for that shite. Letter should stay within Command structure not open to all eyes. Talk about shoving OPSEC down the toilet and flushing twice right there.
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It was leaked to the press, ie SFC, although the senior officer may be in hot water.

"The unusual plea from Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, came in a letter obtained exclusively by The Chronicle and confirmed by a senior officer on board the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt.."
 
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Orangeburst said:
It was leaked to the press, ie SFC, although the senior officer may be in hot water.

"The unusual plea from Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, came in a letter obtained exclusively by The Chronicle and confirmed by a senior officer on board the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt.."
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Somebody’s head should rightfully roll for that crap, at least it better. There’s got to be a UCMJ section to cover that since there’s one for virtually everything else.
 
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