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Look at the efforts at incremental restrictions tried elsewhere. Within weeks those countries have thrown in the towel on moderation and done what had to be done. Massive testing. More extensive shutdown. Then, about 3 weeks later, we see a stabilization, and eventual reduction. Been the case in China. S Korea. They hope its not too late in Italy.

Meanwhile, in the face of the evidence of what we need to do, what we know is inevitable, we have numbskulls talking about regional designations, or re-opening things in the next ten days. Its just so unrealistic.
What are you talking about? We are testing more people than anywhere in the world? We have been shut down and told to stay inside.... what do you want to do? Arrest people..... maybe shoot them..... you are starting to see evidence of it slowing down in the United States as well but we shall see..... we have 3.3 million people out of a job and the economy is tanking..... if you think this is an easy decision then you are crazy.
 
And then you can disparage this person all you want.

As of now, you're just assuming. No?

1400 in the greater New Orleans area.
Is the Democratic governor of Louisiana to blame for morgue overrun gate? It the Republican senators?
If you have a tampon stuck over someone questioning a person's assertion you would be a huge hit in the Communist Party of China
 
I don't trust China's numbers for obvious reasons but Italy intrigues me for couple of reasons. Are the northern cities the hardest hit? If so why? Is it climate related, like other similar bugs is it most prolific in colder less humid climates?

I'm not an expert by any means and won't claim to be but will the warmer weather help to slow this down?
 
Its too late. Look at Italy trying to contain it in the ten northern towns. Every part of the country has to go into restricted movement. All non essential businesses need to close. The sooner we come to grips with reality the faster we get out of this going down the drain at an ever increasing rate.

I agree. Not expecting anyone to agree on the constitutionality and whatnot, but if we are going to stabilize this country we have to stabilize this thing down to manageable. This is a global issue and we can't be one of the weakest links.
 
What are you talking about? We are testing more people than anywhere in the world? We have been shut down and told to stay inside.... what do you want to do? Arrest people..... maybe shoot them..... you are starting to see evidence of it slowing down in the United States as well but we shall see..... we have 3.3 million people out of a job and the economy is tanking..... if you think this is an easy decision then you are crazy.


Per capita, S Korea and Italy are testing 4-5 X our rate. Its not raw numbers, its the percentage.

I am confident that if the President and every Governor told everyone to stay home except for groceries and pharmacy, we'd see substantial compliance. Triple the rescue bill. Direct to people to pay bills and replace income to businesses to get through it. Need everyone in leadership at state and federal levels on board. I guarantee you Fauci is advocating for this internally, every day.

Others have done it and its working. Delay in the inevitable is going to make it that much worse.
 
I don't trust China's numbers for obvious reasons but Italy intrigues me for couple of reasons. Are the northern cities the hardest hit? If so why? Is it climate related, like other similar bugs is it most prolific in colder less humid climates?

I'm not an expert by any means and won't claim to be but will the warmer weather help to slow this down?

Italy has the 2nd oldest population in the world. Over the last few years there's been an influx of Chinese business interests in Italy
 
I don't trust China's numbers for obvious reasons but Italy intrigues me for couple of reasons. Are the northern cities the hardest hit? If so why? Is it climate related, like other similar bugs is it most prolific in colder less humid climates?

I'm not an expert by any means and won't claim to be but will the warmer weather help to slow this down?

Most are hoping so, but from what I'm hearing it will probably bloom in the southern hemisphere as it cools and migrate back this fall.

Not sure there is enough evidence to say that warmer temps will kill it.
 
Per capita, S Korea and Italy are testing 4-5 X our rate. Its not raw numbers, its the percentage.

I am confident that if the President and every Governor told everyone to stay home except for groceries and pharmacy, we'd see substantial compliance. Triple the rescue bill. Direct to people to pay bills and replace income to businesses to get through it. Need everyone in leadership at state and federal levels on board. I guarantee you Fauci is advocating for this internally, every day.

Others have done it and its working. Delay in the inevitable is going to make it that much worse.

I'm on board if we can add Tort reform to this bill and an amendment to eliminate attorneys advertising to only the yellow pages. It would also make it illegal for attorneys to make the first contact with potential clients.
 
Italy has the 2nd oldest population in the world. Over the last few years there's been an influx of Chinese business interests in Italy

More denial, trying to explain why what has happened there won't happen here.

Spain called. They said hello.
 
No sarcasm and I'm not a doctor but this would indicate that people are building immunities to this virus. This happens with all viruses? No! Not surprising

Yeah, as long as the immunity persists long enough to somehow kill the cycle, we have a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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I haven't ignored of that.....

The argument has been (unless I'm totally misunderstanding it) that a nurse in NO has said that their morgue is "overrun". I've simply pointed out that the folks on this board that are ridiculing that person are doing so without any actual firsthand knowledge. I've not (to my knowledge) made any assertions as to what their capacity actually is. You (and others) have made the VERY broad assumption that this person is flat-out lying without any actual knowledge of the situation to back it up simply to further your own personal belief.

STOP ASSUMING. Your assumptions DO NOT equate actual knowledge of the facts at hand.

Some folks seem to think that just because they THINK something it's automatically true. It's frequently NOT.

Again..... common sense is only common to those who think it should be.

Stop dismissing first-hand accounts simply because you don't want it to be true.
And stop ignoring actual articles from morticians in Louisiana who say they're not overrun. Maybe you are ignoring the common sense because you want something to be true.
 
Per capita, S Korea and Italy are testing 4-5 X our rate. Its not raw numbers, its the percentage.

I am confident that if the President and every Governor told everyone to stay home except for groceries and pharmacy, we'd see substantial compliance. Triple the rescue bill. Direct to people to pay bills and replace income to businesses to get through it. Need everyone in leadership at state and federal levels on board. I guarantee you Fauci is advocating for this internally, every day.

Others have done it and its working. Delay in the inevitable is going to make it that much worse.
people around know and some choose not to listen.... do you want to arrest or shoot people..... testing does nothing but give us added numbers to whine about in the media..... that is why it appears worse here..... bc our per capital is much higher..... there is signs that the serious cases is starting to slow down.
 
I can summarize it with one example (and it's one of hundreds possible)

At the press conference the other day when the guy from NBC asked Trump what he would say the the millions of Americans who were apprehensive or scared. Trump had an opportunity to say something, anything, a little reassuring and presidential.
Trump chose to berate the guy and his news organization.
It was stupid, it was counter productive, and it was classic horrendously and despicably Trump.

Not quite. Alexander has just made a statement phrased as a question by characterizing chloroquine and other treatments as Trump peddling "false hope" leading into the scared Americans 'question'. I think Trump got tired of him trying to have his 15 seconds of negative while talking over him, and then talking over him after he called to another reporter for question, when his own had been answered..

Alexander was asking about the president’s effort to promote a drug, chloroquine, that is approved for other uses but that some say can mitigate the effects of the coronavirus. Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the president’s team, said Friday that there was no clinical evidence yet of chloroquine’s positive effects, and that the evidence was anecdotal.

Trump reiterated Friday that he was optimistic about chloroquine, largely because it had already been approved for other uses. “I am a man who comes from a very positive school. … And we’ll see how it works out, Peter. I’m not saying it will.” He added that if the drug did help, it would be a “game changer.”

Alexander then pushed back, and the following exchange ensued.

Alexander: Is it possible that your impulse to put a positive spin on things may be giving Americans a false sense of hope, and misrepresenting the preparedness right now —
Trump: No, I don’t think so. I don’t think so. No, I don’t think so. I think —
[Crosstalk]
Alexander: The sale, not-yet-approved drug —
Trump: Such a lovely question. Look. It may work, and it may not work. And I agree with the doctor, what he said. May work, may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is. It’s just a feeling, right, you know? I’m a smart guy. I feel good about it. And we’re gonna see — you’re gonna see soon enough. And we have certainly some very big samples of people, if you look at the people, a lot of people that are in big trouble. And this is not a drug that obviously, I think I can speak from a lot of experience, because it’s been out there for over twenty years. So it’s not a drug that you have a huge amount of danger with, it’s not like a brand new drug that’s just been created that may t have have an unbelievable, monumental effect, like kill you. We’re gonna know very soon. And I can tell you, the FDA is working very hard to get it out. Right now, in terms of malaria, if you want it, you can have a prescription. You get a prescription. And by the way — and it is very effective. It works. I have a feeling you may — and I am not being overly optimistic or pessimistic. I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try. I mean, there’s been been some interesting things happened, and some very good things. Let’s see what happens. We have nothing to lose. You know the expression, “What the hell do you have to lose?” Okay?
Alexander: So what do you say — I’ll just follow up. So what do you say Americans who are scared, though? I guess — nearly 200 dead; 14,000 who are sick; millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now, What do you say Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?
Trump: I say that you are a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. Go ahead. I think it’s a very nasty question, and I think it’s a very bad signal that you are putting out to the American people. The American people are looking for answers, and they’re looking for hope, and you’re doing sensationalism. And the same with NBC and Concast. I don’t call it “Comcast,” I call it “Concast.” Let me just tell — [for] whom you work. Let me just tell you something. That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism. Let’s see if it works. It might, and it might not. I happen to feel good about it. But who knows? I have been right a lot. Let’s see what happens. John? — You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Trump spars with reporters during fiery coronavirus briefing

Then poor Peter went home and cried into social media, and completely omitted the "false hope" comment and insistence to keep questioning from his falsified account of the exchange. FK these self-absorbed, TDS reporters who insist on making themselves the news instead of covering it.
 
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Yeah, as long as the immunity persists long enough to somehow kill the cycle, we have a light at the end of the tunnel.

I see what you see saying. I was speaking to an individual who beat the virus. Seems like I heard Dr Oz saying that they are on the cusp of a test that can tell if someone had this virus regardless of if they knew. But if they had beat it they could take the antibodies from that person and use it to help others? I know that is a generalized summation but this is great news.
 
I see what you see saying. I was speaking to an individual who beat the virus. Seems like I heard Dr Oz saying that they are on the cusp of a test that can tell if someone had this virus regardless of if they knew. But if they had beat it they could take the antibodies from that person and use it to help others? I know that is a generalized summation but this is great news.

I think that's how it works, it would be a huge step.
 
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Not quite. Alexander has just made a statement phrased as a question by characterizing chloroquine and other treatments as Trump peddling "false hope" leading into the scared Americans 'question'. I think Trump got tired of him trying to have his 15 seconds of negative while talking over him, and then talking over him after he called to another reporter for question, when his own had been answered..

Alexander was asking about the president’s effort to promote a drug, chloroquine, that is approved for other uses but that some say can mitigate the effects of the coronavirus. Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the president’s team, said Friday that there was no clinical evidence yet of chloroquine’s positive effects, and that the evidence was anecdotal.

Trump reiterated Friday that he was optimistic about chloroquine, largely because it had already been approved for other uses. “I am a man who comes from a very positive school. … And we’ll see how it works out, Peter. I’m not saying it will.” He added that if the drug did help, it would be a “game changer.”

Alexander then pushed back, and the following exchange ensued.

Alexander: Is it possible that your impulse to put a positive spin on things may be giving Americans a false sense of hope, and misrepresenting the preparedness right now —
Trump: No, I don’t think so. I don’t think so. No, I don’t think so. I think —
[Crosstalk]
Alexander: The sale, not-yet-approved drug —
Trump: Such a lovely question. Look. It may work, and it may not work. And I agree with the doctor, what he said. May work, may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is. It’s just a feeling, right, you know? I’m a smart guy. I feel good about it. And we’re gonna see — you’re gonna see soon enough. And we have certainly some very big samples of people, if you look at the people, a lot of people that are in big trouble. And this is not a drug that obviously, I think I can speak from a lot of experience, because it’s been out there for over twenty years. So it’s not a drug that you have a huge amount of danger with, it’s not like a brand new drug that’s just been created that may t have have an unbelievable, monumental effect, like kill you. We’re gonna know very soon. And I can tell you, the FDA is working very hard to get it out. Right now, in terms of malaria, if you want it, you can have a prescription. You get a prescription. And by the way — and it is very effective. It works. I have a feeling you may — and I am not being overly optimistic or pessimistic. I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try. I mean, there’s been been some interesting things happened, and some very good things. Let’s see what happens. We have nothing to lose. You know the expression, “What the hell do you have to lose?” Okay?
Alexander: So what do you say — I’ll just follow up. So what do you say Americans who are scared, though? I guess — nearly 200 dead; 14,000 who are sick; millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now, What do you say Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?
Trump: I say that you are a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. Go ahead. I think it’s a very nasty question, and I think it’s a very bad signal that you are putting out to the American people. The American people are looking for answers, and they’re looking for hope, and you’re doing sensationalism. And the same with NBC and Concast. I don’t call it “Comcast,” I call it “Concast.” Let me just tell — [for] whom you work. Let me just tell you something. That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism. Let’s see if it works. It might, and it might not. I happen to feel good about it. But who knows? I have been right a lot. Let’s see what happens. John? — You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Trump spars with reporters during fiery coronavirus briefing
Then poor Peter went home and cried into social media, and completely omitted the "false hope" comment and insistence to keep questioning from his falsified account of the exchange. FK these self-absorbed, TDS reporters who insist on making themselves the news instead of covering it.

Nite nite Luther
 
I haven't ignored of that.....

The argument has been (unless I'm totally misunderstanding it) that a nurse in NO has said that their morgue is "overrun". I've simply pointed out that the folks on this board that are ridiculing that person are doing so without any actual firsthand knowledge. I've not (to my knowledge) made any assertions as to what their capacity actually is. You (and others) have made the VERY broad assumption that this person is flat-out lying without any actual knowledge of the situation to back it up simply to further your own personal belief.

STOP ASSUMING. Your assumptions DO NOT equate actual knowledge of the facts at hand.

Some folks seem to think that just because they THINK something it's automatically true. It's frequently NOT.

Again..... common sense is only common to those who think it should be.

Stop dismissing first-hand accounts simply because you don't want it to be true.
It’s not a first hand account. Regular Nurses have nothing to do with morgues and would have no idea of the number of people there. It’s emotional exaggeration and rumor at best and a straight up lie at worst
 
Not quite. Alexander has just made a statement phrased as a question by characterizing chloroquine and other treatments as Trump peddling "false hope" leading into the scared Americans 'question'. I think Trump got tired of him trying to have his 15 seconds of negative while talking over him, and then talking over him after he called to another reporter for question, when his own had been answered..

Alexander was asking about the president’s effort to promote a drug, chloroquine, that is approved for other uses but that some say can mitigate the effects of the coronavirus. Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the president’s team, said Friday that there was no clinical evidence yet of chloroquine’s positive effects, and that the evidence was anecdotal.

Trump reiterated Friday that he was optimistic about chloroquine, largely because it had already been approved for other uses. “I am a man who comes from a very positive school. … And we’ll see how it works out, Peter. I’m not saying it will.” He added that if the drug did help, it would be a “game changer.”

Alexander then pushed back, and the following exchange ensued.

Alexander: Is it possible that your impulse to put a positive spin on things may be giving Americans a false sense of hope, and misrepresenting the preparedness right now —
Trump: No, I don’t think so. I don’t think so. No, I don’t think so. I think —
[Crosstalk]
Alexander: The sale, not-yet-approved drug —
Trump: Such a lovely question. Look. It may work, and it may not work. And I agree with the doctor, what he said. May work, may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is. It’s just a feeling, right, you know? I’m a smart guy. I feel good about it. And we’re gonna see — you’re gonna see soon enough. And we have certainly some very big samples of people, if you look at the people, a lot of people that are in big trouble. And this is not a drug that obviously, I think I can speak from a lot of experience, because it’s been out there for over twenty years. So it’s not a drug that you have a huge amount of danger with, it’s not like a brand new drug that’s just been created that may t have have an unbelievable, monumental effect, like kill you. We’re gonna know very soon. And I can tell you, the FDA is working very hard to get it out. Right now, in terms of malaria, if you want it, you can have a prescription. You get a prescription. And by the way — and it is very effective. It works. I have a feeling you may — and I am not being overly optimistic or pessimistic. I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try. I mean, there’s been been some interesting things happened, and some very good things. Let’s see what happens. We have nothing to lose. You know the expression, “What the hell do you have to lose?” Okay?
Alexander: So what do you say — I’ll just follow up. So what do you say Americans who are scared, though? I guess — nearly 200 dead; 14,000 who are sick; millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now, What do you say Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?
Trump: I say that you are a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. Go ahead. I think it’s a very nasty question, and I think it’s a very bad signal that you are putting out to the American people. The American people are looking for answers, and they’re looking for hope, and you’re doing sensationalism. And the same with NBC and Concast. I don’t call it “Comcast,” I call it “Concast.” Let me just tell — [for] whom you work. Let me just tell you something. That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism. Let’s see if it works. It might, and it might not. I happen to feel good about it. But who knows? I have been right a lot. Let’s see what happens. John? — You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Trump spars with reporters during fiery coronavirus briefing

Then poor Peter went home and cried into social media, and completely omitted the "false hope" comment and insistence to keep questioning from his falsified account of the exchange. FK these self-absorbed, TDS reporters who insist on making themselves the news instead of covering it.
All that to say Trump blew it and gave yet another example of why he is the exact wrong person for a moment like this.
There were a thousand better ways to handle it.
 
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