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hog88 said:
Per state stats an average of 42,000 people die per year in Louisiana, that’s 115 people per day and since NO is the largest metropolitan area in the state you would have to assume the majority is in NO. So say they should be able to handle 40-50 per day (and remember not every dead body goes to the morgue) they should be able to handle just in NO 137 over 3 weeks.

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Again.... Stop making assumptions.

The population of the state of Louisiana (per the US Census Bureau) is 4.66 million.

The population of New Orleans (again per the US Census Beurea) is 393,292 (as of 2017).

So..... Since the pop. of NO is app. 12% (actually 11.5) of the total population of the state of LA you'd think that 12% of 115 would be ~14 (actual? 13.8). What is 14 times 21?

294.

Just a skoche over 137, no?
 
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volbeast33 said:
The last data I saw in 2014..... Louisiana averaged 120 deaths a day in a normal year.... so I would assume they could probably handle it.
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And how many of those deaths actually end up in a county morgue?

I'd be willing to bet that it's a very small fraction of the total. I'd also be willing to bet that at this point ANY death that could be attributable to coronavirus HAS to be screened by (at the least, someone from) the county morgue.

It's not unreasonable to think they're just a tad overworked.

Again, stop assuming.
 
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GhostVol said:
Again.... Stop making assumptions.

The population of the state of Louisiana (per the US Census Bureau) is 4.66 million.

The population of New Orleans (again per the US Census Beurea) is 393,292 (as of 2017).

So..... Since the pop. of NO is app. 12% (actually 11.5) of the total population of the state of LA you'd think that 12% of 115 would be ~14 (actual? 13.8). What is 14 times 21?

294.

Just a skoche over 137, no?
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Except that the New Orleans metropolitan area has almost 1.3 million people. Try again
 
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TheDeeble said:
That's what happens when you really start testing. That's how numbers go up.

There were way more than 3 before and there are probably way more than 117k now.
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This is an interesting dodge by the CV deniers, who generally speaking also Trump slurpers.

While we know that increased testing increases the total positives, it's too easy to hide behind that as a false basis to claim that the number was always higher than it appeared, so no big deal.

What is misleading about that argument is that the majority of the people being tested now are symptomatic. That's the way they get a test in the first place.

So while it is true to say that there were more than 3 cases a month ago, the virus is clearly causing much more widespread and increasingly negative effects.

The problem now is that the deniers, Trump included, are costing us valuable time in deployment of resources and the taking of tough steps to reduce the rate of spread.
 
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GhostVol said:
And you know, for a fact, that the Orleans parish of LA handles every possible death in the metro area?

Now you!
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Ok the Orleans parish has 70 deaths from COVID 19. 70. Out of 400,000. The metro area has 30 more. So out of 1.3 million people they’ve had 100 deaths. An article was recently posted saying the morgues are not overrun rather it’s just taking longer to get them moved and funerals planned but you conveniently ignored that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This is an interesting dodge by the CV deniers, who generally speaking also Trump slurpers.

While we know that increased testing increases the total positives, it's too easy to hide behind that as a false basis to claim that the number was always higher than it appeared, so no big deal.

What is misleading about that argument is that the majority of the people being tested now are symptomatic. That's the way they get a test in the first place.

So while it is true to say that there were more than 3 cases a month ago, the virus is clearly causing much more widespread and increasingly negative effects.

The problem now is that the deniers, Trump included, are costing us valuable time in deployment of resources and the taking of tough steps to reduce the rate of spread.
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everyone that was symptomatic before was just quarantined at home.... same thing that happens now if someone is symptomatic and tests positive..... the more serious cases stay at the hospital.... what has people denying it being a big deal.... stopped or prevented?
 
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Stew Cook said:
So, I still wonder how long this immunity would persist. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe Fauci had previously stated that immunity might not last through another season, like most flu viruses.

Just hoping it doesn't adapt and become worse on subsequent waves. This thing is already a btch from hell.
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An article I read earlier this week was discussing how this virus doesn’t seem to mutate much. Unlike the seasonal flu. At least that was my non medical understanding.
 
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volfanhill said:
An article I read earlier this week was discussing how this virus doesn’t seem to mutate much. Unlike the seasonal flu. At least that was my non medical understanding.
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I recall someone posting a quote or an article saying as much. At any rate, I'm guessing few people could give a definitive answer.

Something I've been thinking about is.. If this thing does prove to be able to reinfect people annually, folk will start leaving the most populated areas, especially the older ones. But I suppose a vaccine might change that, if it's proven reliable.

I guess time will tell..
 
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luthervol said:
I'll always wish the best for my wife, kids, family, and friends.......and that ain't Trump. Never was and never will be. IMHO
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Selfish, who cares what anyone else wants. I want to throw my hissy. No pragmatic thought process what so ever. Name anyone else you want to and insert them as POTUS and the result is the same. Nothing a president can do in this instance. Yet you'll do everything you can to convince yourself and others otherwise. Give it up and quit slurping the anti Trump cool aid, there's plenty to disagree with Trump on, this ain't it, period!
 
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volbeast33 said:
everyone that was symptomatic before was just quarantined at home.... same thing that happens now if someone is symptomatic and tests positive..... the more serious cases stay at the hospital.... what has people denying it being a big deal.... stopped or prevented?
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Look at the efforts at incremental restrictions tried elsewhere. Within weeks those countries have thrown in the towel on moderation and done what had to be done. Massive testing. More extensive shutdown. Then, about 3 weeks later, we see a stabilization, and eventual reduction. Been the case in China. S Korea. They hope its not too late in Italy.

Meanwhile, in the face of the evidence of what we need to do, what we know is inevitable, we have numbskulls talking about regional designations, or re-opening things in the next ten days. Its just so unrealistic.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I recall someone posting a quote or an article saying as much. At any rate, I'm guessing few people could give a definitive answer.

Something I've been thinking about is.. If this thing does prove to be able to reinfect people annually, folk will start leaving the most populated areas, especially the older ones, but I suppose a vaccine might change that, if it's proven reliable.

I guess time will tell..
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I am sure some can get reinfected. I think even the doctor would agree. I think he’s suggesting that it will a very low reinfection rate.
 
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If Birx, the C19 coordinator, and other governors are saying, that people traveling from NY should "self-quarantine", why should we not seriously inquire whether NYS should be quarantined? Other states such as MA are telling travelers to the state to self-quarantine for 14 days. Only five countries (U.S., Italy, China, Spain, and Germany) have more infected than NYS. Germany has only 5K more infected.

Emotions aside, why should NYS not be quarantined?
 
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jordan4vols said:
Ok the Orleans parish has 70 deaths from COVID 19. 70. Out of 400,000. The metro area has 30 more. So out of 1.3 million people they’ve had 100 deaths. An article was recently posted saying the morgues are not overrun rather it’s just taking longer to get them moved and funerals planned but you conveniently ignored that.
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I haven't ignored of that.....

The argument has been (unless I'm totally misunderstanding it) that a nurse in NO has said that their morgue is "overrun". I've simply pointed out that the folks on this board that are ridiculing that person are doing so without any actual firsthand knowledge. I've not (to my knowledge) made any assertions as to what their capacity actually is. You (and others) have made the VERY broad assumption that this person is flat-out lying without any actual knowledge of the situation to back it up simply to further your own personal belief.

STOP ASSUMING. Your assumptions DO NOT equate actual knowledge of the facts at hand.

Some folks seem to think that just because they THINK something it's automatically true. It's frequently NOT.

Again..... common sense is only common to those who think it should be.

Stop dismissing first-hand accounts simply because you don't want it to be true.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Look at the efforts at incremental restrictions tried elsewhere. Within weeks those countries have thrown in the towel on moderation and done what had to be done. Massive testing. More extensive shutdown. Then, about 3 weeks later, we see a stabilization, and eventual reduction. Been the case in China. S Korea. They hope its not too late in Italy.

Meanwhile, in the face of the evidence of what we need to do, what we know is inevitable, we have numbskulls talking about regional designations, or re-opening things in the next ten days. Its just so unrealistic.
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And yet I would bet every dollar I have ever earned that if the roles were reversed and Trump had shut the country down and ruined the economy and people's wealth and income you would be here on this very site, at this very minute railing against him and his unprecedented actions against America. Will you at least admit that much to us?
 
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NCFisher said:
If Birx, the C19 coordinator, and other governors are saying, that people traveling from NY should "self-quarantine", why should we not seriously inquire whether NYS should be quarantined? Other states such as MA are telling travelers to the state to self-quarantine for 14 days. Only five countries (U.S., Italy, China, Spain, and Germany) have more infected than NYS. Germany has only 5K more infected.

Emotions aside, why should NYS be quarantined?
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It's the thing to do, IMO. It's a hot-button issue, both politically and legally, but also one of life and death. I say why the half measures?
 
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KB5252 said:
And yet I would bet every dollar I have ever earned that if the roles were reversed and Trump had shut the country down and ruined the economy and people's wealth and income you would be here on this very site, at this very minute railing against him and his unprecedented actions against America. Will you at least admit that much to us?
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No, not given what we see in Europe.

And at any rate yours is an unknowable hypothetical. We see in real terms, as it happens, that Trump's wishful thinking is impeding the nation's response to the crisis and costing valuable time and lives.
 
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Stew Cook said:
It's the thing to do, IMO. It's a hot-button issue, both politically and legally, but also one of life and death. I say why the half measures?
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Its too late. Look at Italy trying to contain it in the ten northern towns. Every part of the country has to go into restricted movement. All non essential businesses need to close. The sooner we come to grips with reality the faster we get out of this going down the drain at an ever increasing rate.
 
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