Tennessee Football Spring Preview: Quarterbacks

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And we saw the excessive ints thrown by Maurer...all based on great decision making I’m sure. Isn’t confidence in his elite receivers ability to fight for the ball part of DECISION MAKING? If they “would’ve been” been picked off if thrown to less talented receivers, maybe he “would’ve been” savvy enough not to throw them. Lot of great QB’s throughout history have thrown (and completed) passes more game managing types never attempted.
I’m not going to get into the comparison between Maurer vs Bailey because they are both Vols now. All anyone needs to know is BM is the most underrated qb of his class and within our own room. However I will tell you to compare his play vs UGA against the freshman golden boy of starting QBs Bo Nix first start vs Oregon. If you’re truthful with yourself you’ll see a difference
 
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You’re disgruntled beyond reprieve KB. It’s part of your DNA by now. These guys will play the best guy. If that’s JG...you’ll be around to claim he isn’t.
No more “disgruntled” about 5th year Guarantano than you are 2nd year Maurer, only with far more reason to be so. Pot calling the kettle black, on steroids.
 
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Quick summary.

JG is the favorite. Any actual Vol fan should be hoping he has a Sr yr breakout year like a bunch of qbs do. That is the best chance of winning games.

Or

The other good scenario is HB comes in looking like Peyton day one and takes the job.

The rest of the guys have a ways to go.
And this is a stand out among the many stupid things you've posted.

I'd LOVE to see JG in his 5th year somehow discover the innate talent to anticipate throws and make reads faster. The likelihood of that happening is so low... that he is NOT the best chance for winning games. He's the default... which is probably 7 or 8 wins. UT will NOT beat the best 4 teams on the schedule with play like he's shown so far.

Don't know why you refuse to recognize the physical talent of Maurer and Shrout. Well I think I do...

You think guys with actual experience vs SEC competition have a "ways to go" but declare a Fr who has never played a down even in practice at the college level is CERTAIN to be the other option. Even if he turns out to be great... that's a stupid thing to say at this juncture.
 
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I don’t need to parse words...I freely state them.
Good grief. Having a bad day? You are parsing MY words... and still doing it.
And I didn’t state whatever the hell it is you just said.
And to be really technical about it like you're doing... I didn't say what apparently triggered you. Look at post 28. I did not say you "stated" anything. I said you were vesting yourself in HB. And you WERE and ARE arguing for him and against the others especially Maurer. I've explained what I meant. I've said that your opinion is fine just not one I share at this point.

I don’t know if Bailey will get IT this season, but the true freshman hindrance angle is antiquated.
I disagree. Even the best Fr have to be managed because of what they do not know and the experience they do not have. Freshman ARE better prepared than they used to be... but they still aren't prepared nor can they be. Experience is a real thing that impacts a QB's performance.
 
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That’s where you’re wrong. The timer goes off at 3.5 seconds which is better than average o line protection of 3.0. If youre still holding the ball it’s a sack. JG had that problem at the opening in his class. Once you reach ”the opening” the playbooks are pulled from professional playbooks. In fact that’s part of the competition to see how quickly each qb can learn it and apply it to the field. Each athlete is given the playbook a week ahead of ”the opening”. Every movement is graded, from drop backs to hitches. The routes on air portion of the event holds little weight in comparison to the 7on7. Point is it’s much more than just a throwing contest. It’s a total body of work. The rest of your statement is true and i believe it was Peyton himself that once said “Not all qbs are athletes” “I’m probably the least athletic in the league”. I agree with that statement because it’s 100% true. However the secondaries ARE elite athletes at the opening and that’s where there’s cause for concern given where he placed among the others. It’s the only time anyone has seen him play with a level playing field outside of the ONE game they lost this past season where he ended up finishing with 4 ints.
That’s where you’re wrong. The timer goes off at 3.5 seconds which is better than average o line protection of 3.0. If youre still holding the ball it’s a sack. JG had that problem at the opening in his class. Once you reach ”the opening” the playbooks are pulled from professional playbooks. In fact that’s part of the competition to see how quickly each qb can learn it and apply it to the field. Each athlete is given the playbook a week ahead of ”the opening”. Every movement is graded, from drop backs to hitches. The routes on air portion of the event holds little weight in comparison to the 7on7. Point is it’s much more than just a throwing contest. It’s a total body of work. The rest of your statement is true and i believe it was Peyton himself that once said “Not all qbs are athletes” “I’m probably the least athletic in the league”. I agree with that statement because it’s 100% true. However the secondaries ARE elite athletes at the opening and that’s where there’s cause for concern given where he placed among the others. It’s the only time anyone has seen him play with a level playing field outside of the ONE game they lost this past season where he ended up finishing with 4 ints.
Timers are way more accurate than linebackers...Gotcha. Sounds like a lot of fantasy football without the football part. It’s a throwing contest reality show where sometimes the dividing line is “I’ve got a feeling about this kid.” No elite competition in the playoffs? Strange for that classification in UGA. QBs throw interceptions...especially when they’re making up for other units. You should recognize that from your boy in high school.
 
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You really think Maurer and/or Shrout have a significant lead in development?
They have a year or two practicing against SEC level competition. Both now have game experience against SEC caliber opponents and both had some success. Like I've said multiple times in this thread, if one of them has managed to catch up in managing the run game then they can push and even beat JG. Both Shrout and Maurer demonstrated the ability to throw on time and lead receivers that JG has never done.

Barring a complete Spring/Fall camp implosion, I expect JG to win the starting nod but all bets are off after the first kickoff.
You may be right. But I think his flaws are serious enough that his management of the O is the only thing giving him an advantage.

The QB who can process what the opposing defense is throwing at the highest level and who can flat out THROW the best will end up the guy. Not declaring Bailey to be said guy but I don’t believe he needs any more excessive babysitting to win the job than any other candidate.
All 4 of the guys we're discussing have the arm talent. Two have demonstrated the ability to lead a receiver in a college game while one has an obvious weakness doing that. One is yet an unknown because he hasn't done it against college level competition. So from a passing stand point... I think you are absolutely right.

OTOH, I think Pruitt will favor JG because he wants someone who can manage the run game. If he had his rathers... I think Pruitt would run 65-70% of the time any way. Even if they throw much better than JG, I think they have to close ground on making the run reads and calls.
 
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Good grief. Having a bad day? You are parsing MY words... and still doing it. And to be really technical about it like you're doing... I didn't say what apparently triggered you. Look at post 28. I did not say you "stated" anything. I said you were vesting yourself in HB. And you WERE and ARE arguing for him and against the others especially Maurer. I've explained what I meant. I've said that your opinion is fine just not one I share at this point.


I disagree. Even the best Fr have to be managed because of what they do not know and the experience they do not have. Freshman ARE better prepared than they used to be... but they still aren't prepared nor can they be. Experience is a real thing that impacts a QB's performance.
We have a history and your portion of it includes the strategy of juxtaposing your words on me. If you read WITHOUT INFERRING AND IMPOSING then nothing you’ve surmised has been stated BY ME. And this is a discussion, so quit getting frustrated and desperate and using the old tired “triggered” crutch...it’s beneath you. So stop, kitten. The only QB candidate that can trot out EXPERIENCE in any significant quantity, is JG. And we know where you fall on that one. Let’s hope that it’s not an all or nothing REALITY unlike multiple other programs who’ve rode with 1st or second year options. Having a pretty good day...much better when you’re gasping for air. 😎
 
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They have a year or two practicing against SEC level competition. Both now have game experience against SEC caliber opponents and both had some success. Like I've said multiple times in this thread, if one of them has managed to catch up in managing the run game then they can push and even beat JG. Both Shrout and Maurer demonstrated the ability to throw on time and lead receivers that JG has never done.

You may be right. But I think his flaws are serious enough that his management of the O is the only thing giving him an advantage.

All 4 of the guys we're discussing have the arm talent. Two have demonstrated the ability to lead a receiver in a college game while one has an obvious weakness doing that. One is yet an unknown because he hasn't done it against college level competition. So from a passing stand point... I think you are absolutely right.

OTOH, I think Pruitt will favor JG because he wants someone who can manage the run game. If he had his rathers... I think Pruitt would run 65-70% of the time any way. Even if they throw much better than JG, I think they have to close ground on making the run reads and calls.
It’s all thinking and theories. I Remember those who declared Toto, Morris and Wright wouldn’t be front and center before this past season. Different animal than QB, I know but they were simply the best options. For whatever reason, Pruitt didn’t think Maurer or Shrout were the best options and it’s too easy to say it’s because he’s too stubborn to recognize JG’s limitations. Somebody shows more and Pruitt will play them. And Pruitt doesn’t have neither the “rathers” nor the personnel to run 70% time...so it’s a moot point.
 
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No more “disgruntled” about 5th year Guarantano than you are 2nd year Maurer, only with far more reason to be so. Pot calling the kettle black, on steroids.
Got an example of said disgruntlement towards Maurer? I argued for him to get a full run during the season...he just wasn’t physically capable. You’re more creative than the tired pot/black kettle cliche.
 
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Timers are way more accurate than linebackers...Gotcha. Sounds like a lot of fantasy football without the football part. It’s a throwing contest reality show where sometimes the dividing line is “I’ve got a feeling about this kid.” No elite competition in the playoffs? Strange for that classification in UGA. QBs throw interceptions...especially when they’re making up for other units. You should recognize that from your boy in high school.
If you knew how qbs are trained to keep their eyes downfield and “feel” pressure you’d take that statement back. That’s EXACTLY how you train a qb to have an internal clock to begin with.

I see what you’re doing Butchna. You’re trying to force me out and compare them knowing it won’t blow over well with VN. I’m smarter than that. I see you criticized sjt18 for calling you out on the same thing I did and you have yet to admit to yourself that maybe you’re just not hiding it quite as well as you’d hoped. You have a subtle way of it but it’s obvious you favor HB because you come out of the abyss to defend him unlike any of the others. But since you brought it up I’ll entertain you on that one subject. Yes qbs throw ints when trying to make up for other units. Yes BM had to do it on a weekly basis. The difference is HB played on team that KNEW it was going to win vs a team that only hoped it would. BM played on a team that HOPED to win vs a team that KNEW it would. Brian made it to the same platform with average receivers as HB did with elite receivers. Brian had an o line that only provided 2.3 seconds of protection average. HB has one that provided 3.3. Don’t you find it funny that those numbers I just provided showed up at the opening after everything I’ve told you on the true test it IS for qbs?
 
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I’m not going to get into the comparison between Maurer vs Bailey because they are both Vols now. All anyone needs to know is BM is the most underrated qb of his class and within our own room. However I will tell you to compare his play vs UGA against the freshman golden boy of starting QBs Bo Nix first start vs Oregon. If you’re truthful with yourself you’ll see a difference
One won as an underdog and the other one didn’t? One finished the game and the other one didn’t? All kinds of truthful up in there. Got excited with Maurer’s start but he got figured out in short order...prolly something to do with that freshman thing sjt keeps squawking about. He’ll be better this year...would have to be.
 
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One won as an underdog and the other one didn’t? One finished the game and the other one didn’t? All kinds of truthful up in there. Got excited with Maurer’s start but he got figured out in short order...prolly something to do with that freshman thing sjt keeps squawking about. He’ll be better this year...would have to be.
He did struggle to finish games but like I’ve said before that wasn’t ALL him either. In fact most of that CJP. Only ONE game was he pulled by the medical staff which was Alabama. However the lack of acknowledgement of how well he was playing vs the toughest opponents is incredible. And no one seemed to “figure him out” either. His worst game was MSU due to 2 bad decisions but they had no answer for him. Nor did Alabama or UGA until they made adjustments that we failed to counter.
 
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If you knew how qbs are trained to keep their eyes downfield and “feel” pressure you’d take that statement back. That’s EXACTLY how you train a qb to have an internal clock to begin with.

I see what you’re doing Butchna. You’re trying to force me out and compare them knowing it won’t blow over well with VN. I’m smarter than that. I see you criticized sjt18 for calling you out on the same thing I did and you have yet to admit to yourself that maybe you’re just not hiding it quite as well as you’d hoped. You have a subtle way of it but it’s obvious you favor HB because you come out of the abyss to defend him unlike any of the others. But since you brought it up I’ll entertain you on that one subject. Yes qbs throw ints when trying to make up for other units. Yes BM had to do it on a weekly basis. The difference is HB played on team that KNEW it was going to win vs a team that only hoped it would. BM played on a team that HOPED to win vs a team that KNEW it would. Brian made it to the same platform with average receivers as HB did with elite receivers. Brian had an o line that only provided 2.3 seconds of protection average. HB has one that provided 3.3. Don’t you find it funny that those numbers I just provided showed up at the opening after everything I’ve told you on the true test it IS for qbs?
Carried em to 4 wins. Might’ve had a winning season with decent receivers...prolly not a championship. Lot of things I find funny about you. Painting me as a Bailey sycophant when your whole presence on this board has been a Maurer commercial is up there in the graded comedy routines. I’m open to the winner of the competition while anything other than a Florida issued birth certificate will drive you to even more desperate fun with numbers. I want an even playing field for ALL the candidates and I don’t worship at you and sjt’s Church of This Means That and That Means This. I’ll be a fan of THIS TEAM way after these names run out of eligibility as I was dating back to Condredge Holloway (wiki him)...you can’t claim the same. We simply want different things. I want the best player so my team can win...you want a stage for your boy.
 
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One won as an underdog and the other one didn’t? One finished the game and the other one didn’t? All kinds of truthful up in there. Got excited with Maurer’s start but he got figured out in short order...prolly something to do with that freshman thing sjt keeps squawking about. He’ll be better this year...would have to be.
Actually I gotta take that back. His worst game was UK. After nearly a month of rust it’s to be expected that he played rusty at first. However CJP pulled him at halftime just as he was heating up. Point is outside of freshman mistakes he never had a “bad” game and a lot of his premature reputation is due to CJPs handling of the qbs. So I’m not following where you think he was ever “figured out in short order”.
 
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He did struggle to finish games but like I’ve said before that wasn’t ALL him either. In fact most of that CJP. Only ONE game was he pulled by the medical staff which was Alabama. However the lack of acknowledgement of how well he was playing vs the toughest opponents is incredible. And no one seemed to “figure him out” either. His worst game was MSU due to 2 bad decisions but they had no answer for him. Nor did Alabama or UGA until they made adjustments that we failed to counter.
We have different opinions. 49% completion percentage says he needed some work. Some dynamic plays offset that, but a lot of worms died needlessly. Lot of start hot and then shut down as the defense adjusted. Now we’re down to medical staff failures? Lot of people need to be fired for your boy to succeed? Maybe he’s worth all the collateral damage, but it would be more reassuring if he’d learn to slide and throw the ball away.
 
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Actually I gotta take that back. His worst game was UK. After nearly a month of rust it’s to be expected that he played rusty at first. However CJP pulled him at halftime just as he was heating up. Point is outside of freshman mistakes he never had a “bad” game and a lot of his premature reputation is due to CJPs handling of the qbs. So I’m not following where you think he was ever “figured out in short order”.
If he’d have “heated up” like Guarantano before halftime maybe Pruitt would fight his habits of trying to win games.
 
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Carried em to 4 wins. Might’ve had a winning season with decent receivers...prolly not a championship. Lot of things I find funny about you. Painting me as a Bailey sycophant when your whole presence on this board has been a Maurer commercial is up there in the graded comedy routines. I’m open to the winner of the competition while anything other than a Florida issued birth certificate will drive you to even more desperate fun with numbers. I want an even playing field for ALL the candidates and I don’t worship at you and sjt’s Church of This Means That and That Means This. I’ll be a fan of THIS TEAM way after these names run out of eligibility as I was dating back to Condredge Holloway (wiki him)...you can’t claim the same. We simply want different things. I want the best player so my team can win...you want a stage for your boy.
Im not getting back into that fan bs you started. So suck it up.... I’m here. I wear my power T everywhere I go just as I’m sure you do.

And yes he didn’t get to win a lot. There’s a lot more about that team that you wouldn’t understand unless you seen it with your own eyes. The point is he was at impossible odds every week and his abilities, due to such, lead to his choice of many more power 5 schools than most know where most higher ranking qbs only have to manage the weapons around them.
 
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Im not getting back into that fan bs you started. So suck it up.... I’m here. I wear my power T everywhere I go just as I’m sure you do.

And yes he didn’t get to win a lot. There’s a lot more about that team that you wouldn’t understand unless you seen it with your own eyes. The point is he was at impossible odds every week and his abilities, due to such, lead to his choice of many more power 5 schools than most know where most higher ranking qbs only have to manage the weapons around them.
He didn’t have elite weapons and therefore didn’t win. Beats having elite weapons and getting the ball to them...heard it here on this “bs” fan board first!
 
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We have different opinions. 49% completion percentage says he needed some work. Some dynamic plays offset that, but a lot of worms died needlessly. Lot of start hot and then shut down as the defense adjusted. Now we’re down to medical staff failures? Lot of people need to be fired for your boy to succeed? Maybe he’s worth all the collateral damage, but it would be more reassuring if he’d learn to slide and throw the ball away.
49% suggests he wasn’t prepared to play vs UF. Afterwards he was much better than 49% obviously because he was actually 4/13 before MC caught his first completion. Therefore to go from 30% to 49 he had to be much better than his season stats suggest. Now you’re starting to sound like KTown by attaching his season stats to his abilities as if he played that poorly while being prepared by the coaching staff.
 
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Got an example of said disgruntlement towards Maurer? I argued for him to get a full run during the season...he just wasn’t physically capable. You’re more creative than the tired pot/black kettle cliche.
You’ve done nothing but trash the kid since last fall. Come on man, a little honesty here would be great. Pot/kettle analogy was good enough, and “hit the nail on the head” (sorry, not creative, I know).
 
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49% suggests he wasn’t prepared to play vs UF. Afterwards he was much better than 49% obviously because he was actually 4/13 before MC caught his first completion. Therefore to go from 30% to 49 he had to be much better than his season stats suggest. Now you’re starting to sound like KTown by attaching his season stats to his abilities as if he played that poorly while being prepared by the coaching staff.
Your season is what your stats are...there are always excuses. You can disagree that JG’s means what K-Town declares them to mean, but he fought through some injuries to compile his. Played inspired early against UGA then got figured out...that’ll remain my take. You grade things like moxie and have come up with a different conclusion...free country. Mine’s no less on point. Your tales seem to require failings from the staff which has expanded to the medical crew. Was there an interception that was his fault iyo?
 
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He didn’t have elite weapons and therefore didn’t win. Beats having elite weapons and getting the ball to them...heard it here on this “bs” fan board first!
He didn’t have a defense. They allowed 45 points a game.
 
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Your season is what your stats are...there are always excuses. You can disagree that JG’s means what K-Town declares them to mean, but he fought through some injuries to compile his. Played inspired early against UGA then got figured out...that’ll remain my take. You grade things like moxie and have come up with a different conclusion...free country. Mine’s no less on point. Your tales seem to require failings from the staff which has expanded to the medical crew. Was there an interception that was his fault iyo?
He fought through the injury because he had a coach that allowed him to do so! Not saying JP was wrong because a head injury is a different ball game than a hand but no less untrue. I never said anything of the sort about the medical crew. I said only once was he pulled by THEM rather than JP. And yes there was an int or two that were his fault. The 1st vs MSU was a terrible decision. He had MC wide open underneath. His second, no I can’t blame him when he literally fell on the following play after bouncing off his head. That alone should’ve been the indicator that he needed evaluated. But they left him in and called a pass play. Sorry but that’s on them.
 
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