Not Calling a Timeout

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looks like beating a dead horse is the new sport...Coach Barnes is still the coach...we lost and nothing will change it but venting can help...VENT ON!

GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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SGMVols said:
If we’re counting what coaches did outside of Tennessee, Barnes also went to a final four at Texas. But what does either have to do with Tennessee?
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Well genius, the original conversation was people saying Pearl was going to fail at Auburn. Well, he hasn't
 
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SGMVols said:
If the FBI or NCAA wipes out all his accomplishments, then he certainly will have failed.
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That's a BIG if, the NCAA is powerless and schools have called their bluff. They also don't want unc or dook to suffer any consequences. The FBI has no power over NCAA sanctions either so if you think they're going to get involved you're only kidding yourself. And if you think Rick Barnes is squeaky clean then you're naive.
 
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Yeah, I’m sure Barnes cheated his tail off to beat out the Ivies for Grant Williams.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Perhaps you should offer him advice on the matter. It's not like he's forgotten more than you will ever know about the game
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Not even saying that because we lost. Other coaches use timeouts to stop the game when momentum is starting to switch to the other team.

I think you're right though, how can I get in contact with coach Barnes to get him this great revelation?
 
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VEKZY said:
I don't think not calling a time-out was the sole reason we lost. I think it was a poor coaching decision regardless though.

I think Fulkerson's performance was likely the reason for the loss today. He was frustrated by the athleticism and size of Auburn and was bullied in the paint.
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Which is exactly why I wondered if he should sit out most of the 2nd half. We were playing very well without him. We will need him for most games, but sometimes you have to stick with what’s working.

I’m not going to criticize Barnes though... he’s forgotten more than I’ll ever know about coaching.
 
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OrangeJuicebox said:
Which is exactly why I wondered if he should sit out most of the 2nd half. We were playing very well without him. We will need him for most games, but sometimes you have to stick with what’s working.

I’m not going to criticize Barnes though... he’s forgotten more than I’ll ever know about coaching.
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I believe it's fair to criticize him for this. If something is working, why change?
 
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I swear I think some of you people wouldn’t know a basketball if it hit you square in the nose. Barnes has had to replace 5 experienced starters from last year and cobble together a team with very little height, very little outside shooting (especially with Bowden in an extended slump) and no serviceable point guard outside of Vescovi who is still learning how the game is played here. Other than that we are absolutely loaded. You could say he had a slight lapse in recruiting that showed up this year and he did err on a couple of players who couldn’t cut it. But I’m sure he thought he’d have Bone and Turner this year and maybe even Williams. Three or four years ago, who thought Williams and Bone would be good enough to go to the NBA after their junior year? I didn’t. (It’s fair to ask who developed Williams, Bone and Schofield into players with NBA potential. Oh yeah, that was Barnes.) So before you decide he can’t coach and open your mouth and prove to everybody how stupid you really are, think about all of that. Pretty sure 707 career wins means he can coach a bit better than you couch potatoes and the vast majority of the coaches in the NCAA. You still could have a Donnie Tyndall or a Cuonzo Martin and some of you would deserve it if we did. I just write a lot of it off to the pervading whining millennial attitude today of “I want it and I want it now” from folks who don’t have a real understanding of how the sausage is made. Rant over. Carry on with the nonsense.
 
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vols 30 said:
I believe it's fair to criticize him for this. If something is working, why change?
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I think it's fair too. I defend him but not calling a TO there when it was obvious we were melting down was really bad. And I didn't like his answer after the game when he gave a pretty smartass reply back. I get the argument that he thought he may need TOs at the end of the game but the way it worked out he looks even worse for having 2 left. And if he takes a TO and they still suck, then at the least you can't fault Barnes for not trying to calm them down. Waiting until the media timeout was too long because it was a 10-0 run by then. And what makes it different IMO is it wasn't we were running the offense and the shots weren't falling, it's we couldn't complete a pass or do anything right. That's a sure sign the team is panicking, and this is NOT the team to let play through a panic.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think it's fair too. I defend him but not calling a TO there when it was obvious we were melting down was really bad. And I didn't like his answer after the game when he gave a pretty smartass reply back. I get the argument that he thought he may need TOs at the end of the game but the way it worked out he looks even worse for having 2 left. And if he takes a TO and they still suck, then at the least you can't fault Barnes for not trying to calm them down. Waiting until the media timeout was too long because it was a 10-0 run by then. And what makes it different IMO is it wasn't we were running the offense and the shots weren't falling, it's we couldn't complete a pass or do anything right. That's a sure sign the team is panicking, and this is NOT the team to let play through a panic.
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Had Barnes used up every one of his time outs before the final seconds, and TN had lost at the end when they were unable to inbounds the ball before a 5-second violation, would the critics have argued that it was okay because he used his TOs during Auburn's runs? Or if the clock ran out before TN was able to set up a play to tie or win the game with seconds left? Or to reset the offense if the player setting up a play was trapped and unable to move the ball to another player? Or if TN fumbled the ball, dove on it, called a time out and were accessed a technical for being out of TOs? Remember the Fab 5 in the NCAAT Final?

I do think that a TN coach should have been aware of the 10-second count that resulted in a turnover by Bowden and used a time out to prevent it. But without a camera aimed at the bench it's not even 100% clear that they didn't try to call one.

Without the hindsight, we're actually quite myopic. His 700+ wins over a Hall of Fame career suggest that Barnes sees much more than we do.

Saving TOs isn't a new philosophy with CRB. He expects his players to play through the droughts and probably has enough data to suggest that using TOs to stop runs isn't effective.

Also, Auburn was expending a lot of energy with their high pressure defense. Perhaps CRB did not think that it would be a good idea to give them the additional rest.
 
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I do agree that Barnes should have called a timeout to get his guys to settle down but I don’t think it would have made a difference in the outcome.

Too many turnovers cost us this game.

Besides Vescovi, we don’t have any true ball handlers on this team which is why Turner missing the rest of the season is a huge loss.

We’d easily be an 8-9 seed heading into the NCAA Tournament with Turner playing.
 
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1985Vols said:
Wasn’t Teflon here when our own Administration threw him under the bus
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Yep I said except for the show cause which was with us. He will go Wade route next time he showed these non blue bloods how to navigate the murky waters of college B Ball.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I do agree that Barnes should have called a timeout to get his guys to settle down but I don’t think it would have made a difference in the outcome.

Too many turnovers cost us this game.

Besides Vescovi, we don’t have any true ball handlers on this team which is why Turner missing the rest of the season is a huge loss.

We’d easily be an 8-9 seed heading into the NCAA Tournament with Turner playing.
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Dead right about Vescovi being the only legit point guard we have and the loss of Turner being huge. The TV timeout didn’t stop the run and I doubt another one would have stopped the turnover avalanche. No semblance of running an offense with Bowden or JJJ bringing the ball up.
 
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I'm tired of seeing a $5,000,000 a year coach routinely throwing his players under the bus while rarely shouldering the blame himself. I do not have a lot of faith in Barnes at this point. This will likely mark the third time in five seasons he has been unable to make the tournament, and in that time he's only won three tournament games.
 
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amishvol said:
I'm tired of seeing a $5,000,000 a year coach routinely throwing his players under the bus while rarely shouldering the blame himself. I do not have a lot of faith in Barnes at this point. This will likely mark the third time in five seasons he has been unable to make the tournament, and in that time he's only won three tournament games.
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I also don't like some of Barnes's remarks which seems to place a lot of blame on the players, or some of his coaching strategies. However, one has to admit that he has stabilized a shaky program and raised its profile since he's been here, and has run a clean program comprised of young men that I'm proud to have represented the university.

JMO, so TIFWIW.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I do agree that Barnes should have called a timeout to get his guys to settle down but I don’t think it would have made a difference in the outcome.

Too many turnovers cost us this game.

Besides Vescovi, we don’t have any true ball handlers on this team which is why Turner missing the rest of the season is a huge loss.

We’d easily be an 8-9 seed heading into the NCAA Tournament with Turner playing.
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And how many of those came during that 18 point run? Probably a good reason to have put Vescovi out there
 
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amishvol said:
I'm tired of seeing a $5,000,000 a year coach routinely throwing his players under the bus while rarely shouldering the blame himself. I do not have a lot of faith in Barnes at this point. This will likely mark the third time in five seasons he has been unable to make the tournament, and in that time he's only won three tournament games.
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Meh... I appreciate his honesty. To place blame on his shoulders 100% of the time may sound like the right thing to do on the surface, but in reality it’s false humility, disingenuous, and just not true. Yes, it’s their job to teach and train the players correctly, but at some point the players have to execute.

Furthermore, I don’t think Barnes would comment on his team’s shortcomings if he didn’t think they could handle the criticism. If anything, it should make them more mentally tough and mold them into better leaders as they are willing to accept more responsibility.
 
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