Not Calling a Timeout

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amishvol said:
I'm tired of seeing a $5,000,000 a year coach routinely throwing his players under the bus while rarely shouldering the blame himself. I do not have a lot of faith in Barnes at this point. This will likely mark the third time in five seasons he has been unable to make the tournament, and in that time he's only won three tournament games.
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Cool. So let’s fire him so we can win zero tournament games the next five years, like Texas did.
 
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SGMVols said:
Cool. So let’s fire him so we can win zero tournament games the next five years, like Texas did.
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When did I mention anything about firing him? It is not an unrealistic expectation for Tennessee to be in the tournament most years. I understand losing four starters, but the SEC is not exactly a juggernaut this year and he did not have much of a backup plan to replace Jordan Bone. I don't think we could have dreamed of an easier path to the Final Four the year they lost to Loyola, and then starting Grant on the bench in OT last year against Purdue is head scratching as well. I'm not advocating firing Barnes at all, I just don't understand how Barnes can be above criticism. I still like Barnes and want him to stay, just voicing frustrations is all.
 
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Barnes is more like a drill instructor than a kindergarten teacher. DIs don't coddle the recruits. Barnes is in the process of turning our 6 freshmen into men. His track record shows that he knows what he's doing when developing players. Anybody that doesn't like his methods have plenty of other teams that they can be fans of.
 
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amishvol said:
I'm tired of seeing a $5,000,000 a year coach routinely throwing his players under the bus while rarely shouldering the blame himself. I do not have a lot of faith in Barnes at this point. This will likely mark the third time in five seasons he has been unable to make the tournament, and in that time he's only won three tournament games.
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Wow, original hot take there bro. Thanks for dropping by drive by. Bye bye now.
 
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amishvol said:
When did I mention anything about firing him? It is not an unrealistic expectation for Tennessee to be in the tournament most years. I understand losing four starters, but the SEC is not exactly a juggernaut this year and he did not have much of a backup plan to replace Jordan Bone. I don't think we could have dreamed of an easier path to the Final Four the year they lost to Loyola, and then starting Grant on the bench in OT last year against Purdue is head scratching as well. I'm not advocating firing Barnes at all, I just don't understand how Barnes can be above criticism. I still like Barnes and want him to stay, just voicing frustrations is all.
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Yes he did, he was called Lamonte Turner and unfortunately for Turner his injury was to severe for him to keep playing.
 
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OrangeJuicebox said:
Meh... I appreciate his honesty. To place blame on his shoulders 100% of the time may sound like the right thing to do on the surface, but in reality it’s false humility, disingenuous, and just not true. Yes, it’s their job to teach and train the players correctly, but at some point the players have to execute.

Furthermore, I don’t think Barnes would comment on his team’s shortcomings if he didn’t think they could handle the criticism. If anything, it should make them more mentally tough and mold them into better leaders as they are willing to accept more responsibility.
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Agreed. If you listen to the players, they know where the fault lies. Careless turnovers. Unless Barnes can play point guard, he has no other choices if Vescovi goes out. I’m sure Barnes thought he’d at least have Turner this year and maybe even Bone. Nobody saw Bone being good enough to leave early.
 
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Might not have helped but agree CRB has to call a timeout just to try and hurt AU's momentum. Thought Santiago's 4th foul pretty much killed our chances
 
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It was strange that Barnes didn't call TO during that furious run by Auburn. But the biggest issue is how fragile a team we are right now with this lineup. The loss of Turner this year was immeasurable.
 
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I can only imagine where this team would be if Vescovi had not fallen out of the sky. I still remember Barnes statement " I doubt he plays this year" or something along those lines.
 
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I'm in he minority about not calling a TO.

There were TV TOs that had already broken up the 18-0 run and they weren't effective. Actually the opposite. The TN lead continued to diss appear even with those stoppages.

Calling a TO gives Auburn a rest and they were expending a lot of energy in that stretch.

Continuing to burn clock while staying close is a valid strategy.

It was looking to be a close game. Having TOs on hand at the end is an advantage. Taking 2 to the locker room is a tired argument. They weren't used because the difference was stretched out to 7. Had Pons made those couple of nearly point blank shots, the ending would have come down to one possession rather than 3.

Other than turn overs, CRB might have liked that they were on track. Pons had a couple of looks right in front of the basket and failed to execute. Auburn was jacking up 3s and they usually miss them. They just happened to make a couple.

Going back to Barn likely getting tired, what typically follows is that tired players miss shots and commit fouls. TN's best chance to score is from the free throw line.

I do think that a TO should have been called to prevent the 10-second violation. Maybe they tried calling one from the bench and the refs didn't see it or hear them. It was loud at that moment.
 
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Zues1 said:
I can only imagine where this team would be if Vescovi had not fallen out of the sky. I still remember Barnes statement " I doubt he plays this year" or something along those lines.
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This team probably would win less than 5 SEC games with Santi. It would have been a disaster had he not been eligible.
 
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Also a good thing that Barnes didn’t take Ques Glover like many of the haters here wanted. There’s no scholarship to give Vescovi if he had done that.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
But credit to Barnes and staff for identifying a player and having that option available, right?
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Yes I’m always in favor of keeping an open scholly for a grad transfer spot or for a mid term enrollee. And have repeatedly said it was a good get by Barnes.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea, but Barnes doesn’t know how to handle a roster properly.
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And we can always get another HOF coach with 707 wins to come to Knoxville, right? They fall off trees everyday. Some our so-called fans seem to think we’ve magically transformed into a Duke, Kansas or Kentucky and can attract a coach of Barnes’ caliber just by snapping our fingers. We were lucky to get him. Be very careful what you wish for. It can be a whole lot worse.
 
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Delmar said:
And we can always get another HOF coach with 707 wins to come to Knoxville, right? They fall off trees everyday. Some our so-called fans seem to think we’ve magically transformed into a Duke, Kansas or Kentucky and can attract a coach of Barnes’ caliber just by snapping our fingers. We were lucky to get him. Be very careful what you wish for. It can be a whole lot worse.
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Yeah, the other HOF coaches aren’t leaving their current jobs to come here.

It’s dumb to even think that’s a possibility.

We got lucky with Barnes.
 
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SGMVols said:
Two media timeouts happened in the middle of the run.
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I am well aware (and, yes, 2 TV timeouts should be enough to settle our team down) but still think you have to try anything to get AU out of rhythm (I make them sit again on the very next possession if they score again) and desperate times call for desperate measures (having them at the end doesn't matter if you are not close).
 
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SGMVols said:
Also a good thing that Barnes didn’t take Ques Glover like many of the haters here wanted. There’s no scholarship to give Vescovi if he had done that.
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I'm not a "hater" and wanted Glover at UT. Still wish Barnes had taken the best player from a local state championship team. The kid is logging good minutes on a good Florida team currently. That being said, I readily admit Barnes has forgotten more basketball than I'll ever know and defer to his judgment in this case (unlike his judgment in not using a TO during an 18-0 run).
 
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This is an honest question.

I keep hearing that Barnes is a developer of players. Here at UT, who has developed outside of Grant and Admiral?

I don't think Bone and Alexander developed more than expected. Fulky was very good even as a freshman. Am I missing something? (Don't throw out Durant, that was at tejas)

Was J.R. a Barnes development or was he developed moreso before Barnes arrived? Enlighten me.

Thanks.
 
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Fulk was nowhere near this good as a freshman. No one expected Alexander to be the second leading shot blocker in UT history. And most people crapped on Barnes for even taking Bone because he was a “3 star” and you know what, screw it. There’s no getting through to these idiot Barnes haters. There used to be lots of people in this forum who actually know basketball. They all ran off for greener pastures. Bruce Pearl isn’t coming back and Steve Forbes will never be our head coach. Get the hell over it.
 
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