Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
Duh. Do you think I claimed otherwise?
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Banning my AR -15 nets you nothing . There is only one person effected , only one person loses rights , the community is not safer because my AR is no longer in my possession . You can’t prove that one life will be saved because I don’t have it . Society is not any safer because of a ban on my AR . Your side tried that once and the ban was lifted because you couldn’t show cause .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Banning my AR -15 nets you nothing . There is only one person effected , only one person loses rights , the community is not safer because my AR is no longer in my possession . You can’t prove that one life will be saved because I don’t have it . Society is not any safer because of a ban on my AR . Your side tried that once and the ban was lifted because you could show cause .
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You only have one?
 
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LouderVol said:
Rifles are 8th of the list of homicide weapons.
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This is the kind of observation that is most bewildering to anyone with an actual (not faux/feelz driven) sense of rationality. Rifles in general, including any variations of the so called "assault" variety, account for a very small percentage of homicides. So small in fact that more people are killed with no weapon of any kind than by all rifle types combined. Add to this that the AR platform in particular has become the later 20th/current 21st century equivalent of the lever rifle in the 19th. Literally becoming the most popular rifle platform in the country and suited for everything from .22RF to dangerous game hunting calibers. It is unambiguously nothing more than a "modern" rifle design. (and by saying even that I'm talking over well over 50 years old)

There is literally no "rational or reasonable" argument for outlawing an entire class of firearms based on the above. (And in fact the SCOTUS Heller decision uses exactly such terms as "class of weapons" and "common use for lawful purpose". We would seem to be pre-Heller in another SCOTUS 2A showdown involving such firearms)
 
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hog88 said:
We had the rights prior to the constitution, the constitution is a document promising not to infringe on our rights. Our constitution protects us from our government/society.
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When were you granted the right to bear arms?
 
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LouderVol said:
I told you before what you call "assault weapons" are actually rifles. "Acceptable"rifles dont function any differently than your "unacceptable" rifles.
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Well it sounds like you only need one kind. Why would you care if they are all the same?
 
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luthervol said:
Well it sounds like you only need one kind. Why would you care if they are all the same?
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What else would you care to put that logic to?

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hog88 said:
There is no opinion. Child porn hurts kids, selling drugs to minors hurts kids.
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There is opinion. There is even opinion on who is a child. 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? 20? 21?
Lot's of opinions. Who decides which age separates childhood from adulthood?
Porn is harmful for everyone who is 17 years and eleven months old but to no one who is 18 years and one day old?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Banning my AR -15 nets you nothing . There is only one person effected , only one person loses rights , the community is not safer because my AR is no longer in my possession . You can’t prove that one life will be saved because I don’t have it . Society is not any safer because of a ban on my AR . Your side tried that once and the ban was lifted because you couldn’t show cause .
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So said the the owners of the millions of guns which have been stolen the day before they were stolen.
 
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luthervol said:
So said the the owners of the millions of guns which have been stolen the day before they were stolen.
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No you don’t , don’t inflate that crap and try to pour it on me . That’s the main problem with you gun grabbers , you try to inflate so you take away a persons rights . My firearms have NEVER committed a crime of any type . They have NEVER been used in violating any law . The logic you have to demand I give any of them up on the off chance they may be stolen and used in an illegal act one day is absurd .
 
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luthervol said:
Stolen Guns in America - Center for American Progress

And that's from licensed gun dealers.
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The one's from licensed gun dealers doesn't come near to a million guns. But if you scroll down and read the rest of the article, they make "estimates" on individually reported gun thefts that would put that number, over several years, well beyond a million. The site, though is biased, their numbers are a bit squishy, but I'll still give you that number, as no matter what, it's a lot.

Now my question is, with so many guns stolen and probably in criminal hands, why aren't more bodies hitting the floor? You would think that all those evil guns would rise up and start mass killings everywhere and all the time, even in your little neck of the woods, where Georgia is reported to be among the states with the highest number of gun thefts. Why, every night would be a bloodbath, wouldn't it?

How would you recover so many stolen guns that haven't been found yet, or ever? Confiscation, on its face, would be doomed to failure before it even started.

In the end you would only be taking from the law abiding and leaving the criminals with all those guns. How do you think that would work out?
 
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37L1 said:
The one's from licensed gun dealers doesn't come near to a million guns. But if you scroll down and read the rest of the article, they make "estimates" on individually reported gun thefts that would put that number, over several years, well beyond a million. The site, though is biased, their numbers are a bit squishy, but I'll still give you that number, as no matter what, it's a lot.

Now my question is, with so many guns stolen and probably in criminal hands, why aren't more bodies hitting the floor? You would think that all those evil guns would rise up and start mass killings everywhere and all the time, even in your little neck of the woods, where Georgia is reported to be among the states with the highest number of gun thefts. Why, every night would be a bloodbath, wouldn't it?

How would you recover so many stolen guns that haven't been found yet, or ever? Confiscation, on its face, would be doomed to failure before it even started.

In the end you would only be taking from the law abiding and leaving the criminals with all those guns. How do you think that would work out?
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There are numerous things that could be done that would insure people's right to keep and bear arms while at the same time reducing the amount of gun violence.
This thread is about as enjoyable as rubbing the skin off of your leg with sandpaper, and even less productive.
 
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