The Impeachment Thread

[Orange_Vol1321]

That's fine, if they so choose. But they need to stop acting like their hands have been tied by the House.

They did and the House needs to stop trying to push new evidence. Both groups knows how this works and it's purely political.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Nadler wrong right from the beginning.

"Good Morning."

It's 1:15pm. Lol

 

[0nelilreb]

You're not grasping the argument. The full authority to try an impeachment rests with the Senate. They make the rules for their trial. Accordingly, they're not limited to what was relied upon by the House. Your position is that the Senate is (or should be) limited to the evidence adduced in the House. There is zero constitutional basis for that position because, and I quote, "[t]he Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments."

My stance is that the House should not have left it up to the Senate ( that they don’t control ) to do the heavy lifting for them . If the left wanted a different outcome then they should have painted the Senate ( of which they don’t control ) into a corner and gave them no outs . That’s the equivalent of me sending an underweight and scrawny cow to the butcher and demanding him give me the meat from my neighbors , nice , fat , grain fed cow just because I said he should . You get back what you put in . What you sow ... you reap .

 

[evillawyer]

They did and the House needs to stop trying to push new evidence. Both groups knows how this works and it's purely political.

If the house had waited for the courts to enforce the subpoenas the clock would have run out. Do you dispute that? The House clearly had sufficient evidence to impeach, so they went through with it. But the record is still not complete and that's for one simple reason--the accused is not letting it be complete.

 

[volfanjustin]

Bribery is - they are putting under the abuse of power umbrella.
The other two are being hidden in the documents he is refusing to release.

If they had a case for bribery, there would be a stand alone charge of it

 

[ajvol01]

Bribery is - they are putting under the abuse of power umbrella.
The other two are being hidden in the documents he is refusing to release.

Bribery is a crime. Abuse of power isn’t.

Explain

 

[evillawyer]

 

[luthervol]

If they had a case for bribery, there would be a stand alone charge of it

The evidence is in the documents and witnesses that the senate is refusing.

 

[luthervol]

Bribery is a crime. Abuse of power isn’t.

Explain

Abuse of power can be a crime.

 

[volinbham]

If the house had waited for the courts to enforce the subpoenas the clock would have run out. Do you dispute that? The House clearly had sufficient evidence to impeach, so they went through with it. But the record is still not complete and that's for one simple reason--the accused is not letting it be complete.

the clock is moot. the same court enforcement of subpoenas will occur if the Senate seeks the material. the accused has the right to fight subpoenas. sorry it's inconvenient for your desired outcome

 

[Orange defense]

Nadler sounds like porky pig up there. Where’s the countdown clock? They should somehow skip about three hours, with 16 hours to go. Uggggggg

 

[ajvol01]

Abuse of power can be a crime.

What criminal code does it fall under?

 

[volinbham]

The evidence is in the documents and witnesses that the senate is refusing.

so they charged him with something they didn't have evidence for and therefore didn't charge him really since it isn't explicitly in the articles with hopes that they can get the Senate to compel the information and then go back and put in the articles?

 

[volinbham]

Abuse of power can be a crime.

criminal code please?

 

[evillawyer]

Have fun with this Doucheashitz.

 

[volfanjustin]

And this is why they are called fake news and the enemy of the people

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Yeap. Also they act like they worship the founders with its convenient and other times call them racists sexists bigots

Yeah, they were slave owners and dimocrats have loudly proclaimed that the name Washington & Jefferson be removed from schools, public buildings and that pictures & statues should be removed from public view or have proper context placed.

 

[evillawyer]

the clock is moot. the same court enforcement of subpoenas will occur if the Senate seeks the material. the accused has the right to fight subpoenas. sorry it's inconvenient for your desired outcome

Roberts, as presiding over the Senate trial, would rule on whether the Senate subpoena is enforceable. Any appeal from his ruling would be rejected on political question grounds. The SCOTUS has been very clear that they don't touch impeachments.

 

[evillawyer]

And this is why they are called fake news and the enemy of the people

You mean a guy clarifying (all of 9 minutes later) that he's making a joke is fake news? You got us now.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Abuse of power can be a crime.

Yea you know luth, I got pulled over yesterday and I asked the cop "why."

He said "I didn't like the way you were driving, you were obstructing traffic."


So now I know how this impeachment has been allowed to move forward.

 

[volinbham]

Roberts, as presiding over the Senate trial, would rule on whether the Senate subpoena is enforceable. Any appeal from his ruling would be rejected on political question grounds. The SCOTUS has been very clear that they don't touch impeachments.

there would still be process to get to such ruling there may be some expediting but you and I both know the real reasons the House didn't push it. This is about winning 2020 including the Senate; not about removing Trump from office

 

[volfanjustin]

The evidence is in the documents and witnesses that the senate is refusing.

which witnesses?

 

[0nelilreb]

Did anybody poll the Republicans in the Senate , seems relevant.

 

[evillawyer]

The House Managers for the Dems (and their research team) are effin' rock stars.