Poll: Should Guarantano transfer?

[sjt18]

Hill is a better passer and more highly rated than BM. That is why they offered him. BM is a project.

Maurer was a project who was thrown in too early because JG played poorly.

Hill is not a better passer and "ratings" are irrelevant at this point. Both have put performance on film.

FWIW, if Hill proves he's the guy to replace JG and can lead the O to score points... I'm good with him too.

They just needed more developed options than Maurer and Shrout available to them.

You have no way of knowing that. As far as I know there have been scant public comments about Hill or even "insider" leaks.

Now we have Bailey, JG, and Hill.

Yeah. See what you did there. Your biased hatred of Maurer shines through... again.

And... JG still hasn't led a UT O to more than 30 points against an FBS opponent. Maybe if Hill or Bailey actually beats Maurer and Shrout out... they'll breath life into the O.

 

[cgrish]

I mean if someone like Maurer was able to take JG's job midseason, why is it "ridiculous hype" to suggest that Bailey, who was a lot lot lot better recruit than Maurer, could walk in and take the job. If JG let a 3 star (Maurer) take his job midseason, imagine what Bailey ( a defacto 5 star) could do.......

Stars are not a sure thing. We had 2 qb play yesterday with kc and titans 2 and 3 star. Jg is a good example of this, star ratings are many times misleading. Play the best player.

 

[k-town_king]

Maurer was a project who was thrown in too early because JG played poorly.

Hill is not a better passer and "ratings" are irrelevant at this point. Both have put performance on film.

FWIW, if Hill proves he's the guy to replace JG and can lead the O to score points... I'm good with him too.

You have no way of knowing that. As far as I know there have been scant public comments about Hill or even "insider" leaks.


Yeah. See what you did there. Your biased hatred of Maurer shines through... again.

And... JG still hasn't led a UT O to more than 30 points against an FBS opponent. Maybe if Hill or Bailey actually beats Maurer and Shrout out... they'll breath life into the O.

Hill
53.4% 1313 yds 11td 4 ints 126 qb rating
Maurer
46.7% 541 yds 2tds 5ints 102.7 rtg

Best games
Hill
#23 Texas finished #9
17/29 58.6% 222yds 1td 0int Win
IL
11/19 58% 265 yds 3td 0int Win

Maurer
14/25 50% 259 2td 1int 1 sack fumble td
? Bama or MSU neither game hit 65 yards passing though so I'm not sure.


Hill is a better passer at this point. That isn't even up for argument.

 

[JMSqb11]

Stars are not a sure thing. We had 2 qb play yesterday with kc and titans 2 and 3 star. Jg is a good example of this, star ratings are many times misleading. Play the best player.

You're comparing professional athletes to two true freshmen QB's. Thinking that comparison is even remotely close is absurd.

 

[sjt18]

Hill
53.4% 1313 yds 11td 4 ints 126 qb rating
Maurer
46.7% 541 yds 2tds 5ints 102.7 rtg

Best games
Hill
#23 Texas finished #9
17/29 58.6% 222yds 1td 0int Win
IL
11/19 58% 265 yds 3td 0int Win

Maurer
14/25 50% 259 2td 1int 1 sack fumble td
? Bama or MSU neither game hit 65 yards passing though so I'm not sure.


Hill is a better passer at this point. That isn't even up for argument.

"Stats" don't stand on their own.... and they NEVER stand on their own the way you parse them.

Hill played as a Fr but only in limited relief. Those performances in trash time badly skewed his overall numbers. They're no more relevant to this comparison than Maurer's numbers vs UTC or UF.

As a starter, Hill completed 49% of his passes. He was at or under 50% in 6 of his 10 starts. His best game came against a terrible Illinois team. Maurer's best performance by far was against one of the nation's best defenses.

Again, context means everything when using stats to prove anything.... unless you are a fundamentally dishonest person.

 

[sjt18]

You're comparing professional athletes to two true freshmen QB's. Thinking that comparison is even remotely close is absurd.

No. It isn't a comparison. It is the fact that the ratings aren't the absolute proof some want to make them.

 

[k-town_king]

And only an ABJECT MORON or LIAR... and you qualify for one or both... would look at numbers out of context like you CONSTANTLY do. "Stats" don't stand on their own.... and they NEVER stand on their own the way you parse them.

Hill played as a Fr but only in limited relief. Those performances in trash time badly skewed his overall numbers. They're no more relevant to this comparison than Maurer's numbers vs UTC or UF.

As a starter, Hill completed 49% of his passes. He was at or under 50% in 6 of his 10 starts. His best game came against a terrible Illinois team. Maurer's best performance by far was against one of the nation's best defenses.

Again, context means everything when using stats to prove anything.... unless you are a fundamentally dishonest person.

Texas finished the season ranked #9 and were ranked when they played. Hill had a better game against them than any BM played. Hill has several games better than BM's best game.

BM had a qb rating of over 100 twice. That is all.

His "best game" was a fluke couple of td plays due to the defense not respecting the pass. He was still only 50% with a couple turnovers after the defense adjusted.

Hill is a better passer. You can argue that you think BM will become a better passer. Right now Hill is clearly superior to Maurer passing the ball.

 

[ArdentVol]

why did I ever look at this

 

[JMSqb11]

No. It isn't a comparison. It is the fact that the ratings aren't the absolute proof some want to make them.

I wasn't making assumptions...... Simply making a case. You are the one contradicting yourself. You said said hype is ridiculous but in same breath you say Bailey hasn't been seen yet.... Goes both ways.

 

[sjt18]

I wasn't making assumptions...... Simply making a case. You are the one contradicting yourself. You said said hype is ridiculous but in same breath you say Bailey hasn't been seen yet.... Goes both ways.

Ummm, no. That isn't contradictory in the least. He hasn't been seen yet which is precisely why "hype" is unwarranted. He's a good looking prospect but too many have him #2 before he ever even throws a pass in practice for UT.

 

[BenGrimm]

Did t vote but nice to see No winning by a wide margin.

I don’t think he should be handed the starting job but I bet we need him next year in some capacity.

I just hope fans don’t start booing on his first incomplete pass.

 

[Orange Maniac]

You lost your argument when you created this straw man. I didn't say most of his throws were 50-50. I said he had an "easy button"... and that's simply a fact from watching the championship game and then the one in Nevada.


No it isn't. He played on a team that was vastly more talented than most of their competition.

I didn't even say he's not a great prospect or future star. I only stated the undeniable fact that he has not done anything yet that proves he is ready to be UT's starter... and certainly not to the exclusion of a couple of talented QB's already on the roster.

Pretty weak arguments. Straw man... really? We know what you meant. You need to watch more than 2 games.

 

[sjt18]

Texas finished the season ranked #9 and were ranked when they played.

No they didn't. They finished unranked in '17 at 7-6. They were better the next year... but Hill was a returning Jr starter.... not a true freshman. You are again trying to parse the facts to support your false narratives.

Hill had a better game against them than any BM played. Hill has several games better than BM's best game.

You say that for one simple reason. You hate Maurer and will lie to yourself and anyone else in an effort to trash him. That is your emotional reaction to him threatening and outplaying your idol for 3 games.

BM had a qb rating of over 100 twice. That is all.

LOL.. you're false narratives are really too easy. Yes. He started 4 game. Those ratings over 100... happened to come against UGA and Bama. Your idol against those same two opponents had QBR's of 43.52 and 72.63. There are your "facts and stats".

No one and especially not me argues that Maurer has shown anything but potential. More than enough demonstrated potential in those two games to include him in the conversation about the QB starter for 2020.

His "best game" was a fluke couple of td plays due to the defense not respecting the pass. He was still only 50% with a couple turnovers after the defense adjusted.

Yes. Just keep lying. His "flukes" were many times better than JG did on the same throws.

Again, we're talking about a true Fr and the only way you can find to trash him is to compare to juniors? You ARE a fundamentally dishonest person.

Hill is a better passer. You can argue that you think BM will become a better passer. Right now Hill is clearly superior to Maurer passing the ball.

No. You have to parse the stats as you love to do to draw that conclusion. You completely ignored the FACTS of his overall performance in '18.... not convenient to your false narrative.


Here's STILL the difference between the two of us. I just want quality QB play. I have seen enough of JG to be all but certain it cannot come from him. After that, I defend Maurer because people like you trash him and dismiss him. I don't care who the next starter is so long as they perform better than any we saw in '19... including your idol.

 

[sjt18]

Pretty weak arguments. Straw man... really? We know what you meant. You need to watch more than 2 games.

Yeah. Straw man. Nowhere did I say that most of his passes were 50-50. But you thought it somehow made your argument look better to say I did. By definition a straw man you constructed and burned down.

No. You obviously DON'T have any idea what I "mean". I mean only that HB is an unproven commodity and that it is dumb to write the others off right now. HB may walk on water or like most... he may need a year before he catches up with the speed of the college game.

 

[Orange Maniac]

Yeah. Straw man. Nowhere did I say that most of his passes were 50-50. But you thought it somehow made your argument look better to say I did. By definition a straw man you constructed and burned down.

No. You obviously DON'T have any idea what I "mean". I mean only that HB is an unproven commodity and that it is dumb to write the others off right now. HB may walk on water or like most... he may need a year before he catches up with the speed of the college game.

First off it wasn't a straw man argument. You implied that HB would throw the ball and Gilbert would take it away from a 5'8" DB. That is a generic way of saying a 50/50 ball if Gilbert has to take it away and you know it. Secondly, I'm not writing anybody off in the QB race. Will HB come in and wow everyone? Nobody knows but you made it seem like HB's success was mostly to do with his "easy button". That part is BS. I said my piece and I'm done.

 

[cgrish]

You're comparing professional athletes to two true freshmen QB's. Thinking that comparison is even remotely close is absurd.

Many 2 and 3 star rankings have went on to excel in the nfl, and of course they had to do well in college. Jg is not a freshman and was a 4 star highly rated qb, and a 3 star freshman replaced him, and if not for injury would probably have kept the starting job. I know star ratings do show how the ranking groups think they will do. I am just saying it is not always true. Whoever plays the best should start on any team regardless of star rankings is really all I am saying.

 

[k-town_king]

No they didn't. They finished unranked in '17 at 7-6. They were better the next year... but Hill was a returning Jr starter.... not a true freshman. You are again trying to parse the facts to support your false narratives.

You say that for one simple reason. You hate Maurer and will lie to yourself and anyone else in an effort to trash him. That is your emotional reaction to him threatening and outplaying your idol for 3 games.

LOL.. you're false narratives are really too easy. Yes. He started 4 game. Those ratings over 100... happened to come against UGA and Bama. Your idol against those same two opponents had QBR's of 43.52 and 72.63. There are your "facts and stats".

No one and especially not me argues that Maurer has shown anything but potential. More than enough demonstrated potential in those two games to include him in the conversation about the QB starter for 2020.

Yes. Just keep lying. His "flukes" were many times better than JG did on the same throws.

Again, we're talking about a true Fr and the only way you can find to trash him is to compare to juniors? You ARE a fundamentally dishonest person.


No. You have to parse the stats as you love to do to draw that conclusion. You completely ignored the FACTS of his overall performance in '18.... not convenient to your false narrative.


Here's STILL the difference between the two of us. I just want quality QB play. I have seen enough of JG to be all but certain it cannot come from him. After that, I defend Maurer because people like you trash him and dismiss him. I don't care who the next starter is so long as they perform better than any we saw in '19... including your idol.

You never know what you are talking about. its just laughable at this point.

2018 Texas Longhorns Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

10-4 lost to Maryland with Hill at qb.

Not talking about JG. Just Hill. Hill is a better passer so far than Maurer. That is a fact.
Hill
8/13 games over 100 qb rating.
8/13 over 130 qb rating

Maurer
2/8 games over 100 qb rating
1/8 game over 130 qb rating


JG and BM did not throw the same passes those games due to different score/clock situations they played with genius.

 

[sjt18]

First off it wasn't a straw man argument. You implied that HB would throw the ball and Gilbert would take it away from a 5'8" DB.

I said he had an easy button in Gilbert. Are you going to claim that Gilbert didn't have a HUGE size advantage over any HS player who tried to cover him?

Otherwise, read what I wrote rather than trying to read into it... then we can discuss it.

That is a generic way of saying a 50/50 ball if Gilbert has to take it away and you know it.

No. It is a generic way of saying nothing more nor less than what I actually said. When in trouble, he always had a dominant match up in Gilbert.

That's not saying he's an awful player or won't be the football god you seem to think he is... it is a simple statement of reality.

If he wins the job then great. But it isn't time to dismiss everyone else.

Secondly, I'm not writing anybody off in the QB race. Will HB come in and wow everyone? Nobody knows but you made it seem like HB's success was mostly to do with his "easy button". That part is BS. I said my piece and I'm done.

No. I didn't make it "seem" that way. You read more into what I wrote than what I actually wrote then got upset. That's on you.

My original response was to whoever said it would come down to HB and JG. We just don't know that yet. A lot will change between now and then. After being handed the job last year this time, Pruitt told the media with JG sitting beside him that there would be a competition for the job. That's a good thing if UT gets better and more consistent QB play next fall.

 

[sjt18]

You never know what you are talking about. its just laughable at this point.

2018 Texas Longhorns Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

They were 7-6 in 2017 when Hill first started against them. It isn't completely fair at all to compare a true Soph to a true Fr... but closer than what you are apparently trying. If Maurer is a true JR starting and performing like Hill did in either season... I'll be as critical of him as I am JG.

It isn't reasonable to compare a true Fr to a true Jr with 10 starts.

10-4 lost to Maryland with Hill at qb.

When Maurer is a true Jr with a full season of starting experience... that will be a relevant comparison.

But again you avoid the rest of that season. Like JG, Hill seems to have a game here and there when he looks great.... then a bunch when he doesn't get it done. But again, if he wins the job and gives UT better play than JG then I'll be every bit as happy as I will if Shrout, Maurer, or Bailey do. I simply don't want to hear the word "late" repeated over and over any more.

Not talking about JG. Just Hill. Hill is a better passer so far than Maurer. That is a fact.
Hill
8/13 games over 100 qb rating.
8/13 over 130 qb rating

Maurer
2/8 games over 100 qb rating
1/8 game over 130 qb rating

Comparing oranges to apples. This is a false narrative and if you had one honest bone in your body you would just agree that Maurer showed some good potential as well as a lot of weaknesses that have to improve. But you can't do that and we both know why.

JG and BM did not throw the same passes those games due to different score/clock situations they played with genius.

Right. Stats are only proof if they say what you want them to say. Yes. They threw a lot of the same plays and Maurer simply did it better. Was he consistent? No. Was he too reckless? Yes. Should he have been starting? No... JG's poor play forced that.

BUT... did he have stretches where he played really well? ABSOLUTELY YES. If he can consistently do that... then I guess we'll see your disappearing act...

 

[k-town_king]

They were 7-6 in 2017 when Hill first started against them. It isn't completely fair at all to compare a true Soph to a true Fr... but closer than what you are apparently trying. If Maurer is a true JR starting and performing like Hill did in either season... I'll be as critical of him as I am JG.

It isn't reasonable to compare a true Fr to a true Jr with 10 starts.

When Maurer is a true Jr with a full season of starting experience... that will be a relevant comparison.

But again you avoid the rest of that season. Like JG, Hill seems to have a game here and there when he looks great.... then a bunch when he doesn't get it done. But again, if he wins the job and gives UT better play than JG then I'll be every bit as happy as I will if Shrout, Maurer, or Bailey do. I simply don't want to hear the word "late" repeated over and over any more.


Comparing oranges to apples. This is a false narrative and if you had one honest bone in your body you would just agree that Maurer showed some good potential as well as a lot of weaknesses that have to improve. But you can't do that and we both know why.



Right. Stats are only proof if they say what you want them to say. Yes. They threw a lot of the same plays and Maurer simply did it better. Was he consistent? No. Was he too reckless? Yes. Should he have been starting? No... JG's poor play forced that.

BUT... did he have stretches where he played really well? ABSOLUTELY YES. If he can consistently do that... then I guess we'll see your disappearing act...

He never had a "stretch" when he played well. He never even had a full half he played well. One quarter of all he played was ok and he was 50% then. The rest pretty bad. He was a freshman though so it's understandable.

That is my point. At this time in his career he isn't as good a passer as Hill has been. Maybe in a few years he is, maybe he stays where he is at and is a bad passer. We will see how he develops. No sane person can argue Hill isn't a better passer right now.

 

[sjt18]

He never had a "stretch" when he played well.

You are really just that dishonest, aren't you? Maurer relative to the competition played a better half vs UGA than any half of JG's career. He moved the ball up and down the field vs MSU but made mistakes. He was 5/7 with a INT that wasn't on him vs Bama. JG was 1 for 5 vs UGA when UT needed completions and drives to get back into the game. He was 7 for 16 vs Bama when an actual effective QB would have kept them in the game.

He made the stupid play on the goal line... everyone focused in on that. But his lack of ability to throw against them was a much larger factor.

He never even had a full half he played well. One quarter of all he played was ok and he was 50% then. The rest pretty bad. He was a freshman though so it's understandable.

You are a fundamentally dishonest person. You actually believe this false narrative in all likelihood....

That is my point. At this time in his career he isn't as good a passer as Hill has been.

And... you are still wrong. Maurer played meaningful snaps in 4 games completing 52% of his passes in those games. He gained 16 yards per completion in those games. That's meaningful because most of the time teams try to protect Fr with a lot of short passes. Chaney seemed to think his strengths were throwing down field and RPO's.

Hill finished the year he started under 50% and under 13 ypc. You keep harping on the Texas game... of course you don't want to talk about those other games like out right stinking against a 5-7 IU team, right?

Maybe in a few years he is, maybe he stays where he is at and is a bad passer. We will see how he develops. No sane person can argue Hill isn't a better passer right now.

No. No sane person would look at stats by themselves and make the claims you've made. A completely dishonest person would do what you do due to other biases.

Maurer isn't a bad passer. He took JG's job because they saw some good things in him as a passer that they weren't getting from JG... it was NOT because Maurer managed the O better. If Maurer had not gotten hurt... you would have disappeared.

 

[Raebo]

It for sure is going to be a long, long season. Having said that, it will be very interesting to see how the quarterback situation plays out this coming year. This could play out so many different ways. Part of me says everyone should relax but a part of me enjoys reading the different points of view.

 

[FLVOL_79]

why did I ever look at this

Because watching JG homers ramble on about JG is like watching a parent beat their kid in Walmart..you know its 100% wrong but you can't stop watching because deep down you think that parent is going to come to their senses.

 

[0059862]

heard something similar to this before Coach Fulmer was fired...

GO BIG ORANGE!

No other major college wanted Fulmer after he was fired at TN. NO ONE! That says it all to me.

 

[GOVOLS 1]

I’m sure Guarantano Is waiting to see the results of this
poll to decide what he’s going to do.