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delfonic said:
JG has arm talent, he's a tough SOB, and he has a good attitude. I dont believe he has accuracy issues from mechanics. He has timing issues because he appears to hitch and second guess himself prior to a lot of throws.

He's gun shy and he doesn't have the dual threat athleticism to offset that. When things go sideways he typically spirals down and he's not capable of resetting himself mentally barring some external intervention.

He could learn some incredibly difficult skills to acquire and fix his problem or it could persist and his football career will end after next year. Everything I've seen about him would indicate that he's going to try to do his part to get better. That may just not be enough.

Regardless he's a VFL, he did things the right way, and his acquired toughness will weigh to his benefit for whatever comes next for him in life.
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👆🏼This all day
JG’s issues seem to be psychological. He strikes me as a highly conscious, self-aware person who doesn’t handle making mistakes well. Thus, he is a cautious perfectionist, which leads to delayed throws, and difficulty making quick decisions when things aren’t exactly as he anticipated.
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His arm strength / accuracy / athleticism are plenty good to win big. He is physically capable of winning an SEC title. He just seems to lack the “I don’t give a rip” gunslinging, creative mentality. I work with a lot of people who are in a creative field, but many of them, though skilled, can’t quite be elite because they are perfectionists...which means they won’t let themselves go and just be in the moment.
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All this to say, I love JG. He is a VFL and I am hoping he is our QB next year simply because he has toughed it out. Yet, I have little confidence he completely figures it out because you are talking about a fundamental psychological change from who he is as a person...not just a football player.
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After that tl/dr - I could be completely wrong and know nothing about JG 😂
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Does he try hard? He seems disengaged in most games....
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👆🏼This is just a bad take. Everything about him says he tried hard. Lord, he has taken a pounding. They say he is a model practice player as far as doing things right. He just doesn’t have the personality you prefer.
 
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C-town Vol said:
👆🏼This all day
JG’s issues seem to be psychological. He strikes me as a highly conscious, self-aware person who doesn’t handle making mistakes well. Thus, he is a cautious perfectionist, which leads to delayed throws, and difficulty making quick decisions when things aren’t exactly as he anticipated.
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His arm strength / accuracy / athleticism are plenty good to win big. He is physically capable of winning an SEC title. He just seems to lack the “I don’t give a rip” gunslinging, creative mentality. I work with a lot of people who are in a creative field, but many of them, though skilled, can’t quite be elite because they a perfectionists...which means they won’t let themselves go and just be in the moment.
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All this to say, I love JG. He is a VFL and I am hoping he is our QB next year simply because he has touched it out. Yet, I have little confidence he completely figures it out because you are talking about a fundamental psychological change from who he is as a person...not just a football player.
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After that tl/dr - I could be completely wrong and know nothing about JG 😂
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JG needs some of that Jameis mentality
 
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Catbone said:
I got you. Not really worried this year, it's disappointing but next year ought to be a much better team. I don't think Barnes just forget how to coach overnight. Our roster is just pretty bad and young right now.
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Gave you a like... But would say the roster isn't bad necessarily, but we are missing two things..a true 5 and a real leader.

Primarily why I'm not getting worked up over our recent struggles compared to the last two seasons.

That, and next season should be pretty darn good.
 
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C-town Vol said:
👆🏼This all day
JG’s issues seem to be psychological. He strikes me as a highly conscious, self-aware person who doesn’t handle making mistakes well. Thus, he is a cautious perfectionist, which leads to delayed throws, and difficulty making quick decisions when things aren’t exactly as he anticipated.
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His arm strength / accuracy / athleticism are plenty good to win big. He is physically capable of winning an SEC title. He just seems to lack the “I don’t give a rip” gunslinging, creative mentality. I work with a lot of people who are in a creative field, but many of them, though skilled, can’t quite be elite because they a perfectionists...which means they won’t let themselves go and just be in the moment.
.
All this to say, I love JG. He is a VFL and I am hoping he is our QB next year simply because he has touched it out. Yet, I have little confidence he completely figures it out because you are talking about a fundamental psychological change from who he is as a person...not just a football player.
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After that tl/dr - I could be completely wrong and know nothing about JG 😂
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That's why I'm interested to see him get a second year in the same system. All those issues are made worse when yer never allowed to get comfortable and proficient in one system. People like that gain confidence as they get more comfortable understanding what they're being asked to do. Even some pro bowl QBs generally take more than 1 year to get comfortable in a new system. See Aaron Rodgers this year.
 
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benholt06 said:
Looks like he got some info that a couple of the commits were being told to hold off signing and was mistaken on the fact that Albright was among them. Then he got into it with Slick, and afterwards edited some of the info he posted out and ghosted. Sucks because he seemed to be at least tenuously connected.
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Guy is connected and some heat has been put on some about posting info on public boards with some rival schools putting pressure to get us in trouble. i.e. TSDS..........
 
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chargervol said:
It's frustrating that he gets in his own way. They run the routes in practice and apparently his timing is just fine. Throws the ball "where the receiver is going to be". It's just maddening to know that it's right there but we can't take advantage because he doesn't trust it when the spotlight comes on.
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In practice, he is not worried about the defense, he can relax and make the right choice, in live games, anything can happen and his brain can not process the multiple outcomes, thus, he freezes and takes the safest option resulting in a pitiful offense.
 
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JMO - the love, hate, or indifference for JG by fans and posters already informs the interested observer that he is a divider and not a unifier for the program. We have all been united (team, fans, coaches) behind JJ regardless of his flaws. We are divided behind JG because of his flaws. Why? Go back and look at your own posts and see the roller coaster of emotions you had during games from the past three seasons because you know the truth. JG has found his niche as a good back-up that rides in to save the day. He is a 1-2 quarters of good play QB. After that the D's and DC's watch what he does, how he does it, and then adjust easily to it because he is slow to get the ball out with his wind up and pitch as well as decision making. We are all well informed whether we admit it or not about his issues. I will say I thought Dobbs was bad at swing passes - JG says hold my beer. Why is that the case? Poor footwork. Why does JG throw high and wide many times to open receivers? Footwork and misjudging the lead.

That tells me HB or BM should be the starter game one of next season. If JG comes back and starts I will gird my loins and pray for the best because the team around him is capable of winning the east and maybe the SEC if they stay relatively clean of injuries. Burrow, Tua and Fromm are gone. Notice those names. What did they do in their careers? Win at a high level? That means there is an opening to achieve good things as a team. I have enough evidence with my eyes and in the stats to prove our team will not win its optimal number of games with JG as starter, that he needs to be the reliever. Which one of HB and BM walks in and takes it over like those guys as well as Trevor Lawrence at Clemson?
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
My son is very similar. Excellent football player, very advanced physically for his age, and has a great football IQ. He’s just super hard on hisself, and we’ve worked more on mental training than physical with him.
He’ll come off a game with 10 tackles, and a 100 yards rushing after a 3td win and be pissed because he took one bad angle, or wrong cut.
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As long as he enjoys playing is key. Strive for perfection in order to obtain excellence. Vince Lombardi
 
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Sleegro said:
That's why I'm interested to see him get a second year in the same system. All those issues are made worse when yer never allowed to get comfortable and proficient in one system. People like that gain confidence as they get more comfortable understanding what they're being asked to do. Even some pro bowl QBs generally take more than 1 year to get comfortable in a new system. See Aaron Rodgers this year.
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I'm not gonna pretend that I don't have doubts but if he turns it around as a senior, he wouldn't be the 1st to do so.
I just want QB play to match our potential, regardless of who provides it.
I'll leave the declarations of fact to others, which is fine. Without them, I'd miss out on seeing the abundance of crow served up with such regularity.
 
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delfonic said:
JG has arm talent, he's a tough SOB, and he has a good attitude. I dont believe he has accuracy issues from mechanics. He has timing issues because he appears to hitch and second guess himself prior to a lot of throws.

He's gun shy and he doesn't have the dual threat athleticism to offset that. When things go sideways he typically spirals down and he's not capable of resetting himself mentally barring some external intervention.

He could learn some incredibly difficult skills to acquire and fix his problem or it could persist and his football career will end after next year. Everything I've seen about him would indicate that he's going to try to do his part to get better. That may just not be enough.

Regardless he's a VFL, he did things the right way, and his acquired toughness will weigh to his benefit for whatever comes next for him in life.
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This is a fantastic take. Some of the passes he throws when he is about to get hit are insane. He puts them right on the money because he is not second guessing himself.
 
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Sleegro said:
It's not like people that support him are out there bringing it up every hour in every thread either. But click on a thread of a rb we're not even in on and boom jg debate. Not even debating different points. More like a competition of who can bash him the best. I like off topic as much as anyone but when its the same thing in every thread it's annoying.
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Lol, yep. Something to the effect of "it doesn't matter how well he catches the ball if JG can't throw a swing pass."
 
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