The Impeachment Thread

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zeppelin128 said:
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Well, for 40% of the nation it seems as if he is telling the truth that isn't truth
 
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luthervol said:
This wouldn't be partisan if a few republicans would actually to the correct thing.
Because repubs. refuse to to hold Trump accountable for anything, everything will be partisan. But that's not on the dems.
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I have a prediction: The senate votes not to remove Trump without having him testify.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Whether the president thinks the process is broken or not is immaterial. The executive order process is definitely broken and is a major part of what is wrong with our government.

Using the office for personal gain is corruption. Abusing authority to subvert the legislative process is overreach, it’s bad, but no it is unquestionably not corrupt. That’s not perception, that’s fundamentals of right and wrong. You’re trying to draw a false equivalence between two things that are not alike.
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I’m not trying to draw a false equivalence, I’m saying we had president that literally made up his own rules , created something he had no power to create simply because he could . This to me is more like an authoritarian ruler , a king if you would , than anything Trump has been accused of doing to date . You however are trying to down play one and up sale the other by calling one “ overreach “ and the other , that we seem to have a problem proving to the public at large , “personal gain”. Then you go on to draw the equivalence to right vs wrong . We can always argue the semantics of finding one or both to be corrupt in their on way but that is going to bring back into play perception as I stated earlier .
 
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0nelilreb said:
I’m not trying to draw a false equivalence, I’m saying we had president that literally made up his own rules , created something he had no power to create simply because he could . This to me is more like an authoritarian ruler , a king if you would , than anything Trump has been accused of doing to date . You however are trying to down play one and up sale the other by calling one “ overreach “ and the other , that we seem to have a problem proving to the public at large , “personal gain”. Then you go on to draw the equivalence to right vs wrong . We can always argue the semantics of finding one or both to be corrupt in their on way but that is going to bring back into play perception as I stated earlier .
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I give you credit for effort.
Trump resorted to bribery for personal gain. Impeachable.
All the rest is just noise.
 
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luthervol said:
I give you credit for effort.
Trump resorted to bribery for personal gain. Impeachable.
All the rest is just noise.
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I was just stating facts ... until it is proven you are stating perception . I agree there’s a lot of noise . You also get an A for effort tho . Lol
 
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0nelilreb said:
I’m not trying to draw a false equivalence, I’m saying we had president that literally made up his own rules , created something he had no power to create simply because he could . This to me is more like an authoritarian ruler , a king if you would , than anything Trump has been accused of doing to date . You however are trying to down play one and up sale the other by calling one “ overreach “ and the other , that we seem to have a problem proving to the public at large , “personal gain”. Then you go on to draw the equivalence to right vs wrong . We can always argue the semantics of finding one or both to be corrupt in their on way but that is going to bring back into play perception as I stated earlier .
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Again, there's a Constitutional remedy for Executive Orders--you challenge them in courts.

What's the Constitutional remedy for when the president conducts a shadow foreign diplomacy for his personal benefit?
 
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0nelilreb said:
I was just stating facts ... until it is proven you are stating perception . I agree there’s a lot of noise . You also get an A for effort tho . Lol
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It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. At least that's my perception.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Again, there's a Constitutional remedy for Executive Orders--you challenge them in courts.

What's the Constitutional remedy for when the president conducts a shadow foreign diplomacy for his personal benefit?
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First you have to control the house , then you have to talk to your members to see if they are up for the battle that’s about to take place , then you hold investigations , then you talk to your members again to see if you can’t convince the public without losing too many votes at the booth , then you bring impeachment articles you think you have proven to the floor , your members vote based on how many can vote with the party without being voted out of office in the next election , you hold press conferences with media outlets that lean your way politically claim the country, civilized society , and the world in general is going to end if we don’t do “ the right thing “ , you plead your case to the public , then turn it over to the senate who actually determines if it’s true or not , they then vote to not remove because you don’t hold the senate , you get back on your favorite media outlets and screech about how corrupt the other party is and how we are all going to die if we allow him to be re-elected and we move onto the next election . Did I miss anything ?
 
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luthervol said:
It has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. At least that's my perception.
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That’s the amazing thing about perception, everyone sees things differently . Just depends on where you start out and where you are standing at the time . The world would be a very boring place if we all agreed that everything looks the same to everyone .
 
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0nelilreb said:
First you have to control the house , then you have to talk to your members to see if they are up for the battle that’s about to take place , then you hold investigations , then you talk to your members again to see if you can’t convince the public without losing too many votes at the booth , then you bring impeachment articles you think you have proven to the floor , your members vote based on how many can vote with the party without being voted out of office in the next election , you hold press conferences with media outlets that lean your way politically claim the country, civilized society , and the world in general is going to end if we don’t do “ the right thing “ , you plead your case to the public , then turn it over to the senate who actually determines if it’s true or not , they then vote to not remove because you don’t hold the senate , you get back on your favorite media outlets and screech about how corrupt the other party is and how we are all going to die if we allow him to be re-elected and we move onto the next election . Did I miss anything ?
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That's a wordy way of saying "impeachment."
 
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Velo Vol said:
That's a wordy way of saying "impeachment."
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I got wordy with my response on future predictions yes I agree but keeping with the spirt of this “impeachment “ proceeding up to this point , I thought it was appropriate.
 
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