The Impeachment Thread

Dude you’re not gonna be getting much attention and mostly one liners from me for the rest of the day. Been like that since after lunch. Trying to wrap up a code review before I go on a week of leave out of the state.

So no I didn’t or if I did I don’t remember it.

Frankly my dear.........I wish the two of you would go get a room to talk this out......nobody cares...
 
I agree with these things as stated. I don’t see them as incompatible with what I’ve said, but am curious if you do.
Perhaps I seized upon a sentence in one of your posts and took it out of context. But it seemed you were making a conservative "never Trump" argument.

I just had a minor, but meaningful issue with how you framed "conservative" Republicans versus "liberal" Democrats.

You stated that liberals use government to push their morality. Well, that may be somewhat true of the last decade's SJW crowd. But I say a better description of post-New Deal progressives is that they believe in a government with a more managerial role over society, with the goal of limiting harm to individuals. Raising the floor, if you will. Whereas conservatives believe in a more limited role of government, paying particular attention to the "harm" it causes, when it lowers the potential (ceiling) for individual achievement.

Either way you frame it, it's clear Trump isn't a conservative. And furthermore is an overall bad person.
 
I’m kind of beyond caring what people call it as long as they acknowledge that he clearly did it and that it was clearly wrong.

Tell me why it’s not impeachable, but this idea that it’s unproven at this point is disconnected from reality.
Oh RT you silly thing. “It” is not impeachable. I’m not even sure what “it” you are saying is proven but if you are saying that Trump bribed Zelensky with aid to get him to dig up dirt on Biden so he could win the 2020 election then “it” most certainly is not proven. At best you have that Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly state he would investigate 2016 corruption regarding election interference and Burisma. But he never made the statement and aid was released after multiple meetings to confirm Zelensky was what he purported to be during his campaign.
 
Shadow of a doubt is not a legal standard

Preponderance of the evidence, clear and convincing, or beyond a reasonable doubt are the standards.

Note that impeachment is not criminal, so it's not clear that beyond a reasonable doubt would even be required.
Considering the framers specified high crimes and misdemeanors and the seriousness of removing the President I would say that the criminal requirement of beyond reasonable doubt would be the standard over preponderance of the evidence.
 
Oh RT you silly thing. “It” is not impeachable. I’m not even sure what “it” you are saying is proven but if you are saying that Trump bribed Zelensky with aid to get him to dig up dirt on Biden so he could win the 2020 election then “it” most certainly is not proven. At best you have that Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly state he would investigate 2016 corruption regarding election interference and Burisma. But he never made the statement and aid was released after multiple meetings to confirm Zelensky was what he purported to be during his campaign.
You don’t know what it is but it’s not impeachable. 🙄

Let’s do it piece by piece:

1. There was a concerted effort to leverage Ukraine to conduct investigations into crowdstrike and Biden/Burisma.

That has been proven. Agree it disagree?
 
You don’t know what it is but it’s not impeachable. 🙄

Let’s do it piece by piece:

1. There was a concerted effort to leverage Ukraine to conduct investigations into crowdstrike and Biden/Burisma.

That has been proven. Agree it disagree?

Joe Biden or Hunter Biden?
 
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