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JoAllan said:
Most (full scholarship players) are making well over 100k over a 4 year span. That is WAY more than the majority would ever see “off of their likeness.”
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Exactly. The majority of those guys have the opportunity to use that 100k to get a good degree because they are never going to make a career off their name of ability as an athlete. They are recieving compensation as well.
 
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I just don't understand why the argument has to be A or B. One or the other. That's so antiquated. Getting a scholarship to a university and getting your education paid for is great, but it doesn't make it any less wrong that college athletes are unable to also profit on their OWN self. It's a ridiculous notion.
 
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So if a hot shot freshman can come in to a college ,start making money off himself,which is fine, then why doesn't he pay his own school? And just make it about coaches , facility, and staffers that draw. School pays for all that ,student pays his own way ?
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
So you really believe that the majority of college athletes accept improper benefits. Out of 100,000 plus athletes what number do you think cheats or receives improper benefits? I just find it hard to believe that it's so bad out there that 50,000 student athletes are cheating. I also find it hard to believe that more than 40 of our football players and 8 of our basketball players received improper benefits.
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Revenue sports. The ones boosters care about.
 
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UTvols#1 said:
So if a hot shot freshman can come in to a college ,start making money off himself,which is fine, then why doesn't he pay his own school? And just make it about coaches , facility, and staffers that draw. School pays for all that ,student pays his own way ?
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LOL
 
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UTvols#1 said:
So if a hot shot freshman can come in to a college ,start making money off himself,which is fine, then why doesn't he pay his own school? And just make it about coaches , facility, and staffers that draw. School pays for all that ,student pays his own way ?
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Sure. Try that. See where your recruiting class ranks.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not concerned with the majority of the arguments.

What the RG can or cant make on his likeness is not your nor my problem. If its profitable for him no one should have the right to deny him that.

So "fairness" ends somewhere between college and the NBA?
How does that work?
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Lol, seriously?

You can find “fair” or “fairness” within the very first sentence of the NCAA mission.

The nba may not necessarily be about “fair” competition.......but college athletes is.....or is supposed to be.

Try again.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
No, they are being compensated non monetarily in that analysis and being prevented from monetizing elsewhere. While working two jobs without a guarantee and on a year to year renewal. Not to mention significant injury risk and losses related to that, mostly for football.
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Uh.....yea.

I didn’t say they were making 100k + in cash. But most are certainly compensated much more than their actual value.

Hey if you guys are for this more power to you. But letting a very minute portion of college athletes make some $ will never solve the $ problems with the NCAA, the programs and the student athletes. It’s simply allowing those who will eventually make $ to make some sooner.

So by all means help out the top “less than 1%”

When you could help them and make everything “fair” by working with the NBA, NFL, ect and letting everyone have the chance to go pro whenever they wanted (and keeping college athletics stay the way it has been).
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Other people will be the boosters. Best players go to the highest bidder. NCAA footbal officially becomes the NFL's minor league.
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Uh yeah, obviously. Boosters already pay players. That will continue. Some of it will be legitimized under the new rule. Some of it will remain under the table. It’s a very simple concept to me.

Also, some local businesses who have never paid players before will now hire them to do promotions. Good for both parties. It’s capitalism. It’s marketing. It’s like the players are normal citizens allowed to earn money.

Consider sports their primary “part time” job, for which they are only paid in “school” that will hopefully translate into dollars at a later date. And consider the other work side jobs, for which they earn actual dollars that they can use to buy tacos, or pay a car note, or buy beer, or take a girl out. Of course the primary part time job is 20 hrs/wk of actual practice, plus extra film study, plus extra PT/medical treatment, plus workouts...oh plus the student part of student-athlete.

Athletes get plenty of perks, but the idea they don’t earn every bit is insulting IMO. If a kid on academic s holly can earn extra money from whomever will hire him why can’t a guy who plays a sport?
 
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JoAllan said:
Lol, seriously?

You can find “fair” or “fairness” within the very first sentence of the NCAA mission.

The nba may not necessarily be about “fair” competition.......but college athletes is.....or is supposed to be.

Try again.
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You re pinning this on a "mission statement"?

It's starting to come together now.

Can you give me your credit card info?

" I'm as honest as the day is long".
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I just don't understand why the argument has to be A or B. One or the other. That's so antiquated. Getting a scholarship to a university and getting your education paid for is great, but it doesn't make it any less wrong that college athletes are unable to also profit on their OWN self. It's a ridiculous notion.
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I don’t disagree

However I think a much better solution is to allow anyone the opportunity to play professionally whenever they want to try.

This solves both sides. It pays those who can get paid. It keeps college athletes “amateur.” It doesn’t help some, but not others. It makes it fair, across the board.

It also doesn’t give any program or school any type of advantage.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You re pinning this on a "mission statement"?

It's starting to come together now.

Can you give me your credit card info?

" I'm as honest as the day is long".
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Lol keep trying

You wanted to know where the “fairness” starts.

I said exactly where it is supposed to start. I have said in many posts it isn’t necessarily that way......yet it should be.

Amateur sports is “amateur” for the sole purpose of “fairness.”
 
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JoAllan said:
I don’t disagree

However I think a much better solution is to allow anyone the opportunity to play professionally whenever they want to try.

This solves both sides. It pays those who can get paid. It keeps college athletes “amateur.” It doesn’t help some, but not others. It makes it fair, across the board.

It also doesn’t give any program or school any type of advantage.
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It does help some and not others. Only those with desired skills will be employed. The others won’t. Same thing if college players can earn on the side. Those who are desired get hired, others won’t. It’s America - why do so many find their socialist side when it comes to college athletes?
 
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JoAllan said:
Lol keep trying

You wanted to know where the “fairness” starts.

I said exactly where it is supposed to start. I have said in many posts it isn’t necessarily that way......yet it should be.

Amateur sports is “amateur” for the sole purpose of “fairness.”
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Amateur doesn’t mean everyone is equal, is treated the same, or receives the same things.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
They will pay taxes on money earned under the new stance. You want them to be employees? Ask schools if they want to get in on the workers comp game...
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Aren't they already into the workers comp game, at least on the doctors end ? The trainers and other staff?
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
It does help some and not others. Only those with desired skills will be employed. The others won’t. Same thing if college players can earn on the side. Those who are desired get hired, others won’t. It’s America - why do so many find their socialist side when it comes to college athletes?
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Lol

I’m not

Every scholarship player on the Tennessee football team receives the same legit compensation.......all of them.

Some will later go professional in sports and others will go professional in something else. That’s where fairness ends, and capitalism begins........it’s a wonderful thing to be paid as much as your skill or your “thought value” is worth. However amateur athletes are very different. Amateurism is totally about fairness (at least it’s supposed to be)........heck if not why not just make every freakin level of sports professional? Someone somewhere can make a buck in peewee football.

Let anyone go professional and there simply is NO argument to be made.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
Amateur doesn’t mean everyone is equal, is treated the same, or receives the same things.
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I never said that was the definition.

But amateurism is solely for fairness. That is exactly why we have amateur sports. Sure now days it’s turned into a huge business, but it exists to give fair opportunities.

I still don’t understand why an athlete who has the ability to play professionally and make money, isn’t always allowed to do so.......this is seriously what makes no sense and what needs to be fixed.
 
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UTvols#1 said:
Aren't they already into the workers comp game, at least on the doctors end ? The trainers and other staff?
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I don’t see it that way.

Workers comp wants to pay out the least possible. They want you to go back to work the quickest possible.

In sports......especially college, the DR’s, and training staff are getting paid regardless if your out 1 day or 4 months. The team needs the player to “actually be healthy.”

If you can work.....the job wants you back regardless.

If you can run the football for 1 yard per carry because your not healthy.......they would prob rather have you healthier and gaining say 4 yards per.

Not always, but in most cases I think.
 
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