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[TheMookieMonster]

You can think what you want. I work in the recruiting industry and we've had thousands of kids over the years go through the recruiting process and for some reason they don't seem to be getting offered anything extra. I'm pretty sure that one of our 5* BB recruits didn't get anything extra based on personal knowledge and I know a football recruit who we are in his top 4 that hasn't or would not take anything from anybody, his family would not allow it. I also know who in general does cheat and basically how they do it, much like everyone who has ever worked in the industry would know. The bad apples almost always get caught, hell Alabama nearly got the death penalty years ago because of their cheating. Like I said it happens but I don't think it's anywhere close as to just saying it happens everywhere. You've got your opinion and I've got mine based on personal experience. Years ago cheating was definitely everywhere, not so much today as it's nearly impossible to get away with now.

It's awfully convenient that all of a sudden you just happen to work in the recruiting industry and that you have personal, first-hand experience dealing with five-star basketball recruits. I feel like if this were the truth it would have come up much sooner in the conversation.

 

[JoAllan]

It's not about making sure everyone gets paid. Or gets paid the same amount.
Not every HS athlete makes it to college, and not every college athlete eventually becomes a professional. It's not about being equal.

Heck there are some really good HS football players that would love to play for Nick Saban every year but there is either no room or they cant get on the field and they go somewhere else. Unless the AA lifts the number of scholarship players you can have on a team this is not going to change that.
In basketball UK and Duke essentially pick who they want now. Once they have 12 they re done.

Yea, was talking about the “ncaa and school” money. It was said these have lots of money. They do but if the schools or the ncaa were to pay, they would have to pay everyone.......they couldn’t simply pay the top players.

Duke, Kentucky get a lot of great players no doubt.......however pretty much every year you don’t have Duke, Kentucky, UNC getting all of the top say 20 players. They usually each get 2 or 3 of the best players.

I think the parity in basketball and football will diminish somewhat with this new rule. Sure the great teams currently get the great players, but I think it will only become more so.

Why is there a need to “help” those players who are about to make millions anyway? Why is there a need to help the “blue blood” schools even more?

If we’re talking about helping the student athlete........this isn’t going to do it.

 

[golfballs]

Where did he say he was a mistreated victim?

Are you kidding?

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

It's awfully convenient that all of a sudden you just happen to work in the recruiting industry and that you have personal, first-hand experience dealing with five-star basketball recruits. I feel like if this were the truth it would have come up much sooner in the conversation.

Look up my past posts, there are several where I've stated what I do for a living, I've even took a verbal beating or 2 on here because of it. Lots of folks cuss those in the recruiting industry because there are so many fraudulent actors out there giving the industry a bad name, some also think athletes don't need the help. Most folks on here have no idea how recruiting even works. I certainly don't know everything going on with recruiting but I have a good grasp of what goes on in the southeast.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Are you actually serious? Those are arguably the 25 BIGGEST college basketball programs in the country, plus or minus a few, that were all found to be conducting their program in a shady manner, if not downright illegal. It must hurt to be this naive.

Do you not know how many Div1 basketball schools there are? Those that got caught are also struggling a little right now and has allowed a program like Tn to slip into Blue Blood status and big time recruting results. Like I said, less than 10% is a small number and it hurt the programs that were cheating and helped the other 90% that have not been caught or are simply not cheating.

 

[Billy Ratliff]

Are you kidding?

I only read the tweets posted on page 1 but he said he wished he’d been able to make money, not that he was mistreated. Saying he thinks the rules should’ve been different doesn’t mean he’s crying or saying anything negative about UT.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Lol, “Recruiting Industry” just smacks of amateurism.

This thread is far more entertaining than the 3 other ones. Did the genius, MMA fighter post his ACT scores yet?

 

[BeecherVol]

Yea, was talking about the “ncaa and school” money. It was said these have lots of money. They do but if the schools or the ncaa were to pay, they would have to pay everyone.......they couldn’t simply pay the top players.

Duke, Kentucky get a lot of great players no doubt.......however pretty much every year you don’t have Duke, Kentucky, UNC getting all of the top say 20 players. They usually each get 2 or 3 of the best players.

I think the parity in basketball and football will diminish somewhat with this new rule. Sure the great teams currently get the great players, but I think it will only become more so.

Why is there a need to “help” those players who are about to make millions anyway? Why is there a need to help the “blue blood” schools even more?

If we’re talking about helping the student athlete........this isn’t going to do it.

You re missing the point. This is not and never has been about making sure everybody gets paid from the AA or the school. Im not sure I've read anything that even implies that. You could argue every scholarship player is already getting that in a semi equal form. This is not about equal.

Theres only so much parity to be had in either of the big sports to begin with. But theres also a limit to how many of those elite players they can take or even will choose to go there even with the new rule. They still want play and most want to do that right away. Theres a reason a lot of the bigger football programs lose players to transfer now. They want to play.

The only help we are speaking of is allowing them to make $ if the opportunity is there. Just like many will never play professionally not all will make $ or a lot of it off their name. Is that equal? No. But it doesnt need to be.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Where did he say he was a mistreated victim?

He didn't. I said it. That's an argument that always comes up in the compensate the players discussions.

 

[Billy Ratliff]

You can think what you want. I work in the recruiting industry and we've had thousands of kids over the years go through the recruiting process and for some reason they don't seem to be getting offered anything extra. I'm pretty sure that one of our 5* BB recruits didn't get anything extra based on personal knowledge and I know a football recruit who we are in his top 4 that hasn't or would not take anything from anybody, his family would not allow it. I also know who in general does cheat and basically how they do it, much like everyone who has ever worked in the industry would know. The bad apples almost always get caught, hell Alabama nearly got the death penalty years ago because of their cheating. Like I said it happens but I don't think it's anywhere close as to just saying it happens everywhere. You've got your opinion and I've got mine based on personal experience. Years ago cheating was definitely everywhere, not so much today as it's nearly impossible to get away with now.

I’m not disputing your experiences or perceptions, but to say it’s nearly impossible to get away with cheating today? Uh...naw bruh. There is a lot of money involved and athletes and their families know talking about it jeopardizes their ability to get it. I’m sure there are plenty of examples of families who don’t need the money or who have a moral objection to breaking the rule. But they are the minority.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Lol, “Recruiting Industry” just smacks of amateurism.

This thread is far more entertaining than the 3 other ones. Did the genius, MMA fighter post his ACT scores yet?

What do you do for a living that is so great that you poke fun at what others do?

 

[IPleadInsanity]

So they don’t deserve the right to profit off their name and likeness because they should be grateful they even get the opportunity? That’s very anti-capitalism of you.

Oh by the way minor leagues get endorsement deals. You have to be good.

Also: Darius Bazley, New Balance Trying to Carve a New Path to the NBA Together

Their fame comes from TV exposure, no TV no fame and no contracts with a few exceptions. Maybe to be really fair TV should get a cut of the royalties they receive for providing this service, in the name of capitalism?

 

[Billy Ratliff]

He didn't. I said it. That's an argument that always comes up in the compensate the players discussions.

This isn’t a “compensate the players” issue. It’s a “if other people want to hire players and pay them we won’t rule them inelegible to play college sports” issue.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I’m not disputing your experiences or perceptions, but to say it’s nearly impossible to get away with cheating today? Uh...naw bruh. There is a lot of money involved and athletes and their families know talking about it jeopardizes their ability to get it. I’m sure there are plenty of examples of families who don’t need the money or who have a moral objection to breaking the rule. But they are the minority.

So you really believe that the majority of college athletes accept improper benefits. Out of 100,000 plus athletes what number do you think cheats or receives improper benefits? I just find it hard to believe that it's so bad out there that 50,000 student athletes are cheating. I also find it hard to believe that more than 40 of our football players and 8 of our basketball players received improper benefits.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

You re missing the point. This is not and never has been about making sure everybody gets paid from the AA or the school. Im not sure I've read anything that even implies that. You could argue every scholarship player is already getting that in a semi equal form. This is not about equal.

Theres only so much parity to be had in either of the big sports to begin with. But theres also a limit to how many of those elite players they can take or even will choose to go there even with the new rule. They still want play and most want to do that right away. Theres a reason a lot of the bigger football programs lose players to transfer now. They want to play.

The only help we are speaking of is allowing them to make $ if the opportunity is there. Just like many will never play professionally not all will make $ or a lot of it off their name. Is that equal? No. But it doesnt need to be.

The problem is that some schools will have boosters paying top recruits $10,000 for an autographed picture and appearances at their businesses will result in $25,000 fees.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

This isn’t a “compensate the players” issue. It’s a “if other people want to hire players and pay them we won’t rule them inelegible to play college sports” issue.

Other people will be the boosters. Best players go to the highest bidder. NCAA footbal officially becomes the NFL's minor league.

 

[BeecherVol]

The problem is that some schools will have boosters paying top recruits $10,000 for an autographed picture and appearances at their businesses will result in $25,000 fees.

They can give them a $30,000 sports car now.

 

[BeecherVol]

So you really believe that the majority of college athletes accept improper benefits. Out of 100,000 plus athletes what number do you think cheats or receives improper benefits? I just find it hard to believe that it's so bad out there that 50,000 student athletes are cheating. I also find it hard to believe that more than 40 of our football players and 8 of our basketball players received improper benefits.

I dont think anyone could put a number on it with any certainty but the idea that its "x" percent because that many have been publically caught is naive.

Does anyone think Bama has been clean since Albert Means.

 

[JoAllan]

You re missing the point. This is not and never has been about making sure everybody gets paid from the AA or the school. Im not sure I've read anything that even implies that. You could argue every scholarship player is already getting that in a semi equal form. This is not about equal.

Theres only so much parity to be had in either of the big sports to begin with. But theres also a limit to how many of those elite players they can take or even will choose to go there even with the new rule. They still want play and most want to do that right away. Theres a reason a lot of the bigger football programs lose players to transfer now. They want to play.

The only help we are speaking of is allowing them to make $ if the opportunity is there. Just like many will never play professionally not all will make $ or a lot of it off their name. Is that equal? No. But it doesnt need to be.

I do get the point.

However the majority of the arguments for the past few years was “to help the student athletes.” It has been said so many times for years that schools and institutions make $, off these kids and the kids should be allowed to make it too.

My point is if anyone could go professional they would make the $.

Everyone on the football team helps the school make $. The right guard helps the team to win and helps the ncaa and the school make $.......but seriously how much $ can he make “from his likeness”?

This rule isn’t doing anything to solve the problem. It is simply putting a bandaid on a hole in the dam. Only a very few people will ever see a dime.....and almost all of those who do, will see more when they turn pro.

The argument has been the ncaa makes $ and their not doing enough to help the student athlete........there still not.

Seriously why can’t a guy go professional straight out of high school if he wants and if a team or league is willing to take him or her?

Why should one guy on a basketball team make $? And I’m sorry but college athletics IS about fairness (it’s supposed to be and should be).......professional sports is where that gets separated.......as it should be.

I do agree it doesn’t have to be equal, that is where athletes should be able to go pro, in college it should be.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

What do you do for a living that is so great that you poke fun at what others do?

Actually I was just pointing out that there is an industry built around the recruitment of athletes. An industry that uses their likeness and information for profit while they themselves can’t do the same.

 

[JoAllan]

So you really believe that the majority of college athletes accept improper benefits. Out of 100,000 plus athletes what number do you think cheats or receives improper benefits? I just find it hard to believe that it's so bad out there that 50,000 student athletes are cheating. I also find it hard to believe that more than 40 of our football players and 8 of our basketball players received improper benefits.

Yea that’s simply ridiculous.

Most sports can’t even make enough to cover their costs. Heck even most $ sports can’t cover their costs and the other sports. There simply isn’t enough money at most of the programs to be paying all these players.

Sure Texas, Tennessee, Bama, ect could......but UTEP, UAB, Charlotte, ect......NO.

Cheating (with $) happens but it isn’t like some people think.

Even with the BB scandal.......players were getting paid......but it wasn’t like hundreds of players each year.......let alone thousands.

 

[JoAllan]

Actually I was just pointing out that there is an industry built around the recruitment of athletes. An industry that uses their likeness and information for profit while they themselves can’t do the same.

Most (full scholarship players) are making well over 100k over a 4 year span. That is WAY more than the majority would ever see “off of their likeness.”

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Actually I was just pointing out that there is an industry built around the recruitment of athletes. An industry that uses their likeness and information for profit while they themselves can’t do the same.

You've misinterpreted what we do then. We don't use any athletes likeness or information for profit.

 

[BeecherVol]

I do get the point.

However the majority of the arguments for the past few years was “to help the student athletes.” It has been said so many times for years that schools and institutions make $, off these kids and the kids should be allowed to make it too.

My point is if anyone could go professional they would make the $.

Everyone on the football team helps the school make $. The right guard helps the team to win and helps the ncaa and the school make $.......but seriously how much $ can he make “from his likeness”?

This rule isn’t doing anything to solve the problem. It is simply putting a bandaid on a hole in the dam. Only a very few people will ever see a dime.....and almost all of those who do, will see more when they turn pro.

The argument has been the ncaa makes $ and their not doing enough to help the student athlete........there still not.

Seriously why can’t a guy go professional straight out of high school if he wants and if a team or league is willing to take him or her?

Why should one guy on a basketball team make $? And I’m sorry but college athletics IS about fairness (it’s supposed to be and should be).......professional sports is where that gets separated.......as it should be.

I do agree it doesn’t have to be equal, that is where athletes should be able to go pro, in college it should be.

Not concerned with the majority of the arguments.

What the RG can or cant make on his likeness is not your nor my problem. If its profitable for him no one should have the right to deny him that.

So "fairness" ends somewhere between college and the NBA?
How does that work?

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Most (full scholarship players) are making well over 100k over a 4 year span. That is WAY more than the majority would ever see “off of their likeness.”

No, they are being compensated non monetarily in that analysis and being prevented from monetizing elsewhere. While working two jobs without a guarantee and on a year to year renewal. Not to mention significant injury risk and losses related to that, mostly for football.