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[TheMookieMonster]

This is what I'm saying; he was acting like the idea that major programs are already getting away with crap was silly because no one offered proof but then is saying this will make it worse because.....he said so. And to act like it's not majorly corrupt already is just a level of cognitive dissonance I can't even remotely comprehend.

It's hard to understand how people can be this naive. There is mountains of proof out there in recent years of the insane amount of corruption going on in college sports. Just do some research. If anything, keeping the money in the dark and refusing to confront this reality is helping the big schools even more than just legalizing paying players.

 

[ndubvols]

I never said cheating didn't happen, I said that if they knowingly cheat and can live with themselves then so can I. We had a BB coach we had to fire recently for cheating only to hire one who I think probably refuses to cheat and likely fires anyone he catches cheating. Pearl has cheated the rules everywhere he goes. Those type guys are win at any cost type coaches and I'm glad we've avoided, for the most part, that type coach.

So if anything it would level the playing field/recruiting? It would help the coaches play by the rules since the players have an ability to have an income no matter where they go, instead of going with shady characters and coaches who aren’t doing everything above board.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

So if anything it would level the playing field/recruiting? It would help the coaches play by the rules since the players have an ability to have an income no matter where they go, instead of going with shady characters and coaches who aren’t doing everything above board.

Maybe and I can certainly understand that take, history says that injecting money to solve a problem seldom works, we'll see.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I never said cheating didn't happen, I said that if they knowingly cheat and can live with themselves then so can I. We had a BB coach we had to fire recently for cheating only to hire one who I think probably refuses to cheat and likely fires anyone he catches cheating. Pearl has cheated the rules everywhere he goes. Those type guys are win at any cost type coaches and I'm glad we've avoided, for the most part, that type coach.

You said it didn't happen nearly to the degree that people think and basically dismissed the argument that it's already happening and based it all on soley because you said you haven't seen it personally and pooh poohed others because you said no proof was offered (even though your proof is merely what you claim you've witnessed). And if personal accounts count then yeah.....it's happening because of the many former players I've known that have told me firsthand what they were offered.

 

[VolGee4]

It is going to divert funds from the school to the players. Instead of a capital campaign, boosters will use their money on the players. That, in turn, will slow down the renovations or even building brand new facilities. The AD won’t have that money. Therefore, the third stringer or 12th guy on the bench won’t get to benefit from the endorsement money or the nicer facilities.

I’m all for capitalism to a point, but pure capitalism is not good for athletics. The NFL mostly has parity because of salary caps, which is not true capitalism. I’m not sure how this will go, but I do think some guys who will not play pro ball will be hurt by this.

 

[cardvolfan]

How come? Rick Barnes made money due to him, the assistants made money due to him, the school made money due to him, the SEC made money due to him, ESPN made money due to him, the NCAA made money due to him, the State of Tennessee made money due to him, etc......

UT had the marketable platform in place that allowed athletes to showcase their skills within that framework. Also provided a debt-free education that's not an albatross for years to come, unlike so many other students.

 

[ndubvols]

Maybe and I can certainly understand that take, history says that injecting money to solve a problem seldom works, we'll see.

I agree that history shows illegal/corrupt money doesn’t work, but as we've been talking about that part is going to happen either way. Putting money towards things works on a daily basis more often than it fails.
Overal, I think this provides a way for student athletes who put in the work and make their universities/NCAA/networks a bunch of money the ability to make some for themselves in an above board way with very little impact to these orgs.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

You said it didn't happen nearly to the degree that people think and basically dismissed the argument that it's already happening and based it all on soley because you said you haven't seen it personally and pooh poohed others because you said no proof was offered (even though your proof is merely what you claim you've witnessed). And if personal accounts count then yeah.....it's happening because of the many former players I've known that have told me firsthand what they were offered.

What were they offered? I'm just saying it doesn't happen with everyone and it doesn't happen as much as people think. Not everyone in the world is a cheater, I would even say that most everyone is not a cheat. It's (cheating) still thought of as scum to most folks as well.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

What were they offered? I'm just saying it doesn't happen with everyone and it doesn't happen as much as people think. Not everyone in the world is a cheater, I would even say that most everyone is not a cheat. It's (cheating) still thought of as scum to most folks as well.

Based on what? Where is the evidence for this claim? Because I've cited an FBI investigation conducted by the federal government that has caught a large number of coaches cheating. Your claim of "it doesn't happen as much as you think" is based entirely on your feelings and what you aspire college athletics to be, not what it has become.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I agree that history shows illegal/corrupt money doesn’t work, but as we've been talking about that part is going to happen either way. Putting money towards things works on a daily basis more often than it fails.
Overal, I think this provides a way for student athletes who put in the work and make their universities/NCAA/networks a bunch of money the ability to make some for themselves in an above board way with very little impact to these orgs.

Still gonna be a hard sell with 5-10 athletes on campus getting paid big bucks while the other 1000 student athletes just get partial athletic scholarships for their low profile sports. Just too many variables for me to believe it'll work. College athletics will never be the same.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Based on what? Where is the evidence for this claim? Because I've cited an FBI investigation conducted by the federal government that has caught a large number of coaches cheating. Your claim of "it doesn't happen as much as you think" is based entirely on your feelings and what you aspire college athletics to be, not what it has become.

Who did it catch? You act like it was everyone in basketball. Yes, several cheaters were caught but that doesn't mean the 300 other programs were doing the same.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

What were they offered? I'm just saying it doesn't happen with everyone and it doesn't happen as much as people think. Not everyone in the world is a cheater, I would even say that most everyone is not a cheat. It's (cheating) still thought of as scum to most folks as well.

You are literally all over the place with all this. I'm don't know if you're purposely being obtuse or you really don't get it but you just repeating that it doesn't happen "as much as people think" is no more proof that people saying it happens all the time. And no one said "everyone" was a cheat, the argument was that you put forth that the "rich will get richer" and it was pointed out they already are and you disputed that. What most people think of cheating and it all is 100% irrelevent to what we were talking about.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Who did it catch? You act like it was everyone in basketball. Yes, several cheaters were caught but that doesn't mean the 300 other programs were doing the same.

Dude....this started by you claiming all this would benefit the biggest programs and it was pointed out they ALREADY ARE BENEFITTING FROM STUFF LIKE THIS and now you're trying argue "it's not everyone"....which nobody ever said.

 

[BeecherVol]

How is that any different than it is now?

Exactly.

What's crazy is everyone knows it goes on now. But no one really knows to what degree.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Exactly.

What's crazy is everyone knows it goes on now. But no one really knows to what degree.

Not according to at least one person here.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Who did it catch? You act like it was everyone in basketball. Yes, several cheaters were caught but that doesn't mean the 300 other programs were doing the same.

Some of CBB's top schools listed in federal probe

A list of schools implicated in the initial scandal. This doesn't include every school but it's at the very least including 25 major college basketball programs. I'll even save you a click:

Duke
North Carolina
Texas
Kentucky
Michigan State
USC
Alabama
North Carolina State
Seton Hall
LSU
Maryland
Washington
Texas
South Carolina
Louisville
Utah
Xavier
Wichita State
Clemson
Kansas
Creighton
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Iowa State

 

[BeecherVol]

It's easy to say it happens everywhere, weird how nobody gets caught and weird how other coaches or folks who claim it's happening never show proof. It happens some but no where near what people think and certainly no where near the level of how bad it'll get once legal.

That's like basing the percentage of speeding on the interstate just on tickets written.

 

[BeecherVol]

Not according to at least one person here.

Yeah that's naive. Success is profitable.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Some of CBB's top schools listed in federal probe

A list of schools implicated in the initial scandal. This doesn't include every school but it's at the very least including 25 major college basketball programs. I'll even save you a click:

Duke
North Carolina
Texas
Kentucky
Michigan State
USC
Alabama
North Carolina State
Seton Hall
LSU
Maryland
Washington
Texas
South Carolina
Louisville
Utah
Xavier
Wichita State
Clemson
Kansas
Creighton
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Iowa State

So less than 10% got caught and many of those were investigated and found to do no wrong. 25 out of 300+ universities is a long way from everybody and it being a big problem.

 

[JoAllan]

The NCAA can definitely afford it and every P5 program can afford it, have you not seen the numbers? Plus we aren’t talking about schools playing them we are talking about athletes making money off their name and image, which requires zero additional compensation from the school.

Yea I understand. The problem I have is two fold. 1. They already have systems in place (professional sports) but many won’t let newly graduated athletes even have a chance......that’s not right. If you can make it anyone should have the opportunity.

2. Most and I mean a very high majority will never see a dime. How does this “help” the student athlete? It really doesn’t, only allows the top 1% (really less than that) to be helped. That isn’t any type of “solution”, it simply allows those players who will eventually “get paid” anyway......to get paid sooner, everyone else gets nothing.

The ncaa and the programs do not have enough money to go around. Think about it. If you do it, you would have to do it for all. That means every school and all sports......there simply isn’t enough $. You got D3, all the way to FBS/D1. And football all the way to trap shooting. Most of the sports need the revenue from football and basketball just to be able to survive. While you got teams like Tennessee who make millions, you also got teams that barely make enough to cover their own cost.

Only the very top players will benefit from this new rule........and if they were let to go pro anyway there would be no need for it. I say if all can’t make $ and share in the $ none of them should (and the ones that can should do so in professional sports).

Also if I could make $ in college basketball why on earth would I go to say Utah? I could make much more being in Southern California, or at a program like Kentucky or Duke.

This new system will help the Kentucky’s and Duke’s of the world even more. It would probably help Tennessee as the brand is big, but it will certainly hurt others.

I just don’t like it because it’s less fair than what it is now.

I don’t have all the answers, and my opinion may not even be valid......but it seems logical to me.

 

[VolInDayton]

He can be grateful for the education and also want to be able to make a percentage of jersey sales. Instead kids can't buy their favorite players jerseys, college kids can't get a cut of the appreciation their fans show, and colleges can't make money selling jerseys with players names on them.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

So less than 10% got caught and many of those were investigated and found to do no wrong. 25 out of 300+ universities is a long way from everybody and it being a big problem.

Are you actually serious? Those are arguably the 25 BIGGEST college basketball programs in the country, plus or minus a few, that were all found to be conducting their program in a shady manner, if not downright illegal. It must hurt to be this naive.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

You are literally all over the place with all this. I'm don't know if you're purposely being obtuse or you really don't get it but you just repeating that it doesn't happen "as much as people think" is no more proof that people saying it happens all the time. And no one said "everyone" was a cheat, the argument was that you put forth that the "rich will get richer" and it was pointed out they already are and you disputed that. What most people think of cheating and it all is 100% irrelevent to what we were talking about.

You can think what you want. I work in the recruiting industry and we've had thousands of kids over the years go through the recruiting process and for some reason they don't seem to be getting offered anything extra. I'm pretty sure that one of our 5* BB recruits didn't get anything extra based on personal knowledge and I know a football recruit who we are in his top 4 that hasn't or would not take anything from anybody, his family would not allow it. I also know who in general does cheat and basically how they do it, much like everyone who has ever worked in the industry would know. The bad apples almost always get caught, hell Alabama nearly got the death penalty years ago because of their cheating. Like I said it happens but I don't think it's anywhere close as to just saying it happens everywhere. You've got your opinion and I've got mine based on personal experience. Years ago cheating was definitely everywhere, not so much today as it's nearly impossible to get away with now.

 

[BeecherVol]

Yea I understand. The problem I have is two fold. 1. They already have systems in place (professional sports) but many won’t let newly graduated athletes even have a chance......that’s not right. If you can make it anyone should have the opportunity.

2. Most and I mean a very high majority will never see a dime. How does this “help” the student athlete? It really doesn’t, only allows the top 1% (really less than that) to be helped. That isn’t any type of “solution”, it simply allows those players who will eventually “get paid” anyway......to get paid sooner, everyone else gets nothing.

The ncaa and the programs do not have enough money to go around. Think about it. If you do it, you would have to do it for all. That means every school and all sports......there simply isn’t enough $. You got D3, all the way to FBS/D1. And football all the way to trap shooting. Most of the sports need the revenue from football and basketball just to be able to survive. While you got teams like Tennessee who make millions, you also got teams that barely make enough to cover their own cost.

Only the very top players will benefit from this new rule........and if they were let to go pro anyway there would be no need for it. I say if all can’t make $ and share in the $ none of them should (and the ones that can should do so in professional sports).

Also if I could make $ in college basketball why on earth would I go to say Utah? I could make much more being in Southern California, or at a program like Kentucky or Duke.

This new system will help the Kentucky’s and Duke’s of the world even more. It would probably help Tennessee as the brand is big, but it will certainly hurt others.

I just don’t like it because it’s less fair than what it is now.

I don’t have all the answers, and my opinion may not even be valid......but it seems logical to me.

It's not about making sure everyone gets paid. Or gets paid the same amount.
Not every HS athlete makes it to college, and not every college athlete eventually becomes a professional. It's not about being equal.

Heck there are some really good HS football players that would love to play for Nick Saban every year but there is either no room or they cant get on the field and they go somewhere else. Unless the AA lifts the number of scholarship players you can have on a team this is not going to change that.
In basketball UK and Duke essentially pick who they want now. Once they have 12 they re done.

 

[Billy Ratliff]

Nutrition. Training. Top tier medical professionals. Coaching. Facilities. Equipment. Housing. Tutoring. All provided on UT's dime. On top of a degree free of student debt. So much mistreatment.

So you admit they get advantages others don’t. It’s not like these kids are victimized like many make it out to be

Good treatment doesn’t require altruism.

If I ran a business, and gave my staff good accommodations, good pay, and a good benefits package, but only because I wanted to keep top talent and promote productivity, would that be mistreatment?

Where did he say he was a mistreated victim?