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#252
#252
ShoalCreekVol said:
Who is or isn't an employee is decided by the law, not by your opinions. Yes, the athletes could be reclassified as "employees", but you are missing a couple of things:

1) They would have other repercussions that are NOT to their advantage and they do NOT want, unintended consequences...
2) Being reclassified as employees is NOT necessary in order to get compensation for their name and likeness, or to earn money in a job while in college. Those are NEGOTIATED TERMS of the NCAA's student-athlete agreements, so it doesn't matter if they are employees or not.

Not sure why you're so adamant to have them declared employees legally when it wold not be in their best interest and it's not necessary.
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I never said it was necessary. Your point seems to be that the NCAA is true amateurism which I am saying it’s not.
 
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#254
#254
The O'Bannon case showed us that a federal judge is willing to say on the record that the NCAA violates anti-trust laws. She was ready to hammer the NCAA over it, declaring that the NCAA can't restrict an athlete's earnings. She was also going to rule that the NCAA had to pay $5K to every athlete who appeared in a video game (etc.) for use of their likeness. But, then the appeals court stepped in and overturned that part. They said "that a full scholarship (tuition, room, board, books and fees) combined with the COA is sufficient compensation for college athletes." Garbage ruling.

Especially garbage since they completed left off any ruling about whether or not athletes should be allowed to earn outside money while in school. Cowardly omission IMO, leaving us where we are now.

This is being handled the right way, with states passing laws to force the NCAA's hand, and now the NCAA is renegotiating. This is a good thing.
 
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#255
#255
ShoalCreekVol said:
The O'Bannon case showed us that a federal judge is willing to say on the record that the NCAA violates anti-trust laws. She was ready to hammer the NCAA over it, declaring that the NCAA can't restrict an athlete's earnings. She was also going to rule that the NCAA had to pay $5K to every athlete who appeared in a video game (etc.) for use of their likeness. But, then the appeals court stepped in and overturned that part. They said "that a full scholarship (tuition, room, board, books and fees) combined with the COA is sufficient compensation for college athletes." Garbage ruling.

Especially garbage since they completed left off any ruling about whether or not athletes should be allowed to earn outside money while in school. Cowardly omission IMO, leaving us where we are now.

This is being handled the right way, with states passing laws to force the NCAA's hand, and now the NCAA is renegotiating. This is a good thing.
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We definitely agree on the likeness/name thing so I’m not sure what we arguing about.
 
#256
#256
VolsSportsFan said:
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Facts are facts.
 
#257
#257
zjcvols said:
I never said it was necessary. Your point seems to be that the NCAA is true amateurism which I am saying it’s not.
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Well then there was a misunderstanding, b/c I'm saying it's legally treated as amateur athletics, and student-athletes are not legally employees. I'm not saying that this is morally or ethically good, it's just stating a fact of where we are right now. I don't like it, but it's reality.

People are going about getting it changed the right way. We need to let this play out. It's headed a good direction.
 
#260
#260
TheMookieMonster said:
It’s really funny to listen to people make the argument that allowing college athletes to profit from their likeness will destroy college athletics, but also argue we should just create an entirely new minor league system that is not affiliated with any college. It seems to me like THAT would ACTUALLY destroy college athletics.
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You say it would destroy college Athletics but it would only hurt it financially. The level of play would drop a bit but people would still follow, and I believe more so. If you think there are enough high school kids out there who are going to a minor league pro football team for $40,000 yr over a paid for college education then I've got some oceanfront primetime highrise property you might be interested in.
 
#261
#261
zjcvols said:
I don’t.

If I’m 19 years and let’s say I’m a famous singer, go to UTK and study biology...I can still make money off my name and image as much as I want. That’s a right this country gives out, which is awesome! The fact that these players have been stripped of that right because of a corrupt organization is wrong and in my mind, illegal. Anyone in this country should be able to make money off their name and likeness.
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You don't seem to mind at all the corruption it brings to the game? How can you not see that only the "rich" programs will take over recruiting if you bring money into it. Might as well throw all our history into the Tennessee river and open up a office for sports agent Sexton up on the hill.
 
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#262
There are movements out there to revoke the NCAA's 501(c)3 tax exemption. I'm in favor of that, but I worry about unintended consequences. The money they pay to the IRS would be YUGE, but it would also come from revenue sharing, so the schools could be hurt more than the NCAA itself.

It's always the unintended consequences that end up letting the bug guys win and burning the little guys.
 
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#263
PulaskiVolFan said:
You don't seem to mind at all the corruption it brings to the game? How can you not see that only the "rich" programs will take over recruiting if you bring money into it. Might as well throw all our history into the Tennessee river and open up a office for sports agent Sexton up on the hill.
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How is that any different than it is now?
 
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#264
#264
TheMookieMonster said:
This thread, as anticipated, has already devolved to trash. This was not a criticism of the University of Tennessee. We all know Admiral loved playing here. He is beloved by fans across the country. Yet it was obvious some dullards were going to take this the wrong way and use it as an excuse to attack Admiral. He has a point. The #5 jersey was probably sold countless times at UT stores during his career and he didn't see a penny from that. Not everything is a personal attack on UT. Don't be so sensitive.
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I agree with the sensitivity post. I reminded AS of his tears not to belittle him. It was one of the most beautiful things I have seen out of a player. He knows what those tears meant. I think he will get what I meant more than most on here... Leaders will understand what I meant by my post... I never took it as a slant and I don’t think he will take my post that way either.
 
#265
#265
PulaskiVolFan said:
You don't seem to mind at all the corruption it brings to the game? How can you not see that only the "rich" programs will take over recruiting if you bring money into it. Might as well throw all our history into the Tennessee river and open up a office for sports agent Sexton up on the hill.
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I mean this respectfully, but news flash this is already happening. Money already runs college sports. It's just not legal. The NCAA knows it's happening too, it's just easier for them to turn a blind eye.
 
#266
#266
TheMookieMonster said:
This thread, as anticipated, has already devolved to trash. This was not a criticism of the University of Tennessee. We all know Admiral loved playing here. He is beloved by fans across the country. Yet it was obvious some dullards were going to take this the wrong way and use it as an excuse to attack Admiral. He has a point. The #5 jersey was probably sold countless times at UT stores during his career and he didn't see a penny from that. Not everything is a personal attack on UT. Don't be so sensitive.
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I agree with the sensitivity post. I reminded AS of his tears not to belittle him. It was one of the most beautiful things I have seen out of a player. He knows what those tears meant. I think he will get what I meant more than most on here... Leaders will understand what I meant by my post... I never took it as a slant and I don’t think he will take my post that way either.
VEKZY said:
I don't think Admiral is saying anything against the university. Just saying that being able to profit off of his own image/likeness would be much more valuable than a college degree he will likely never use.

I don't see anything wrong with him wishing that he was able to make money / start profiting earlier.
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Definitely not attacking the U.
 
#267
#267
zjcvols said:
How is that any different than it is now?
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Right vs Wrong is why it's different now. If a kid or a program cheats right now then good for them, if they can live with it so can I, I've got no problem competing to win the right way even if everyone else is cheating. I personally don't think cheating happens anywhere near what folks perceptions are. I've helped a bunch of kids through the recruiting process the last few years and not a single one that I know of have received anything other than scholarship money from the schools they attended. You may know of something different, and I'm sure it happens but I never see it and I work in that industry.
 
#268
#268
zjcvols said:
Okay, a biology major can create a YouTube channel and make money off of it. A college athlete can’t. That’s not fair and wrong. That’s the point.
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Can a biology student create a YouTube channel off of research he or she conducted as a part of the University? That is the better comparison...

That said I have heard that student athletes can’t work. THAT is bs
 
#269
#269
TheMookieMonster said:
I mean this respectfully, but news flash this is already happening. Money already runs college sports. It's just not legal. The NCAA knows it's happening too, it's just easier for them to turn a blind eye.
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It's easy to say it happens everywhere, weird how nobody gets caught and weird how other coaches or folks who claim it's happening never show proof. It happens some but no where near what people think and certainly no where near the level of how bad it'll get once legal.
 
#270
#270
PulaskiVolFan said:
It's easy to say it happens everywhere, weird how nobody gets caught and weird how other coaches or folks who claim it's happening never show proof. It happens some but no where near what people think and certainly no where near the level of how bad it'll get once legal.
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This is just pure denial. I'm sorry, but that's what this is. It's naive to think that it's not rampant in college sports. There was literally an FBI investigation into college basketball for this exact reason, where they have agents on tape discussing the offers made to prospective athletes. Bill Self is lucky to still be employed, and it's only a matter of time before Sean Miller is canned. Money is everywhere in college sports. But if it makes you feel better to think the sport is still pure, I guess that's some form of comfort.
 
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#271
#271
PulaskiVolFan said:
It's easy to say it happens everywhere, weird how nobody gets caught and weird how other coaches or folks who claim it's happening never show proof. It happens some but no where near what people think and certainly no where near the level of how bad it'll get once legal.
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But you're claiming it will get worse with the same amount of proof.
 
#272
#272
TheMookieMonster said:
Honestly, why. Why tweet that at him? Come on.....
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That’s like saying why should he tweet. I have been using social media since the BBS days... you put something out there, you should expect a response. I think too much is being made out of me saying he cried... it’s not a shot... it was to remind him of the good feels we gave him as fans... I know his original post was about more than that... but that response to a reply to his post was less than that... it’s REALLY not that big of a deal.
 
#273
#273
vegasvolfan said:
That’s like saying why should he tweet. I have been using social media since the BBS days... you put something out there, you should expect a response. I think too much is being made out of me saying he cried... it’s not a shot... it was to remind him of the good feels we gave him as fans... I know his original post was about more than that... but that response to a reply to his post was less than that... it’s REALLY not that big of a deal.
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The irony.
 
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