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And that doesnt factor in those who are already receiving goods and $.

As stated in previous post, “we know there are cheaters within the system”; however is there a “need” for another professional system simply because of some cheaters?

Even if the NCAA were totally a professional system......there would still be those trying to gain an edge (via cheating).
 
Your boss walks in says, "Oh hey, we used your idea (and all that work you put in perfecting it) and made a bundle for the company. But your pay stays the same."

NONE of y'all would be okay with that. And if you say you are, you're lying.

Now imagine your company promoted you and what you came up with all over the news, but you couldn’t turn any of your image/appearances/speeches etc. into a profit either. Instead your company and the news profited off that too.
 
Or if I became a fashion model somewhere for a local company (this would never ever happen) but my employer said I couldn’t because I would then be making money off my name and image. That wouldn’t happen in a million years in this country. Hell thats illegal.
Fashion could still exist without the models.

College athletics cannot exist without the athletes.
 
As stated in previous post, “we know there are cheaters within the system”; however is there a “need” for another professional system simply because of some cheaters?

Even if the NCAA were totally a professional system......there would still be those trying to gain an edge (via cheating).

How does making money off YOUR name and image make you a professional?

Also, they’re already professionals. They are given compensation and benefits already for providing a service. How is that not being a professional?
 
As stated in previous post, “we know there are cheaters within the system”; however is there a “need” for another professional system simply because of some cheaters?

Even if the NCAA were totally a professional system......there would still be those trying to gain an edge (via cheating).
It essentially is now without that.

They are getting thousands of dollars worth of education for their athletic ability that turns a revenue for everyone other than themselves. All this does is allow for them to get some of that.
 
Turning this into a school setting. Imagine a biomedical engineering student were to come up with a cure to cancer using university research funds. My assumption is they wouldn’t be paid for their work/discovery. However, I would hope they would be allowed to profit off appearances, speeches, books, etc., correct?
 
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You’re still missing the point.

How does allowing players to make money off their name and image, which again, every American has the right to do, make it a professional system?

If a biology major is also an attractive female and is an Instagram model that makes money from that, does that make her less of a student because she is profiting off her name and image? No.

And also, why should universities be in the game of athletics when they make money? I’m fine with amateurism as long as schools are willing to stop making money too. Get rid of tv contracts and apparel contracts then. Nobody makes money. Are you good with that?

And the NCAA SUCKS. So if this overthrows them good, we can get a better system.

When the athletes start making legal money they are no longer “amateur.”

I’m not suggesting......in the least, that athletes shouldn’t make money off their likeness or in any manner. I’m simply stating there are already multiple professional systems in place where they could chose to do so if they were allowed........and they should be allowed.

Allowing anyone to “go pro” solves the problems. All athletes would be allowed to make $. Also all athletes would be allowed to be amateur......they simply get to choose.

The NCAA and the schools have all the risk. They provide the scholarships, they provide the stadiums, they provide the insurance, they provide everything......except the workers.

The workers always make less because they have none of the risk......they are compensated regardless.

If the school doesn’t make any $, then there are no college teams and games.
 
Turning this into a school setting. Imagine a biomedical engineering student were to come up with a cure to cancer using university research funds. My assumption is they wouldn’t be paid for their work/discovery. However, I would hope they would be allowed to profit off appearances, speeches, books, etc., correct?

Exactly. He would charge appearance fees and things like that. It would not make him ineligible to continue using research funds as long as he is still a student there.
 
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You are comparing apples to oranges and have no idea what you're talking about. High A Minor League Baseball is not the same thing as College Athletics. And guess what? Those High A or Single A players COULD profit off their likeness if they wanted to, but for most of them they are not in a position to do so yet. But, they still have the possibility of doing so if they want. You just don't see many companies trying to pay a no-name Single A player to sell some burgers because there is no value in that unless you're a Bryce Harper level prospect who everyone knows will be in the majors quickly after the draft.

The only reason any of these college players could sell anything is based on their popularity. Their popularity comes from TV and game exposure, both of which are provided by university utilizing their TV contracts and facilities. Minor league players are not on TV and so no demand. Without the university they would have to pay to get their photo in the yearbook like everyone else.
 
When the athletes start making legal money they are no longer “amateur.”

I’m not suggesting......in the least, that athletes shouldn’t make money off their likeness or in any manner. I’m simply stating there are already multiple professional systems in place where they could chose to do so if they were allowed........and they should be allowed.

Allowing anyone to “go pro” solves the problems. All athletes would be allowed to make $. Also all athletes would be allowed to be amateur......they simply get to choose.

The NCAA and the schools have all the risk. They provide the scholarships, they provide the stadiums, they provide the insurance, they provide everything......except the workers.

The workers always make less because they have none of the risk......they are compensated regardless.

If the school doesn’t make any $, then there are no college teams and games.

Well my dude, I have some bad news for you, because these athletes are already receiving stipends outside of benefits from the school called a stipend...

If you’re an 18 year old 5* football player where can you play other than college football?

BTW Tennessee could pay all their athletes and break even and continue to provide the service. Most power 5 programs could btw. So that argument isn’t true.
 
The only reason any of these college players could sell anything is based on their popularity. Their popularity comes from TV and game exposure, both of which are provided by university utilizing their TV contracts and facilities. Minor league players are not on TV and so no demand. Without the university they would have to pay to get their photo in the yearbook like everyone else.

So they don’t deserve the right to profit off their name and likeness because they should be grateful they even get the opportunity? That’s very anti-capitalism of you.

Oh by the way minor leagues get endorsement deals. You have to be good.

Also: Darius Bazley, New Balance Trying to Carve a New Path to the NBA Together
 
Turning this into a school setting. Imagine a biomedical engineering student were to come up with a cure to cancer using university research funds. My assumption is they wouldn’t be paid for their work/discovery. However, I would hope they would be allowed to profit off appearances, speeches, books, etc., correct?
That's a perfect analogy.
 
Turning this into a school setting. Imagine a biomedical engineering student were to come up with a cure to cancer using university research funds. My assumption is they wouldn’t be paid for their work/discovery. However, I would hope they would be allowed to profit off appearances, speeches, books, etc., correct?
Forgot to mention twitter handle, which is where most athletes would profit from. I mean Neil Degrasse Tyson has 13.5 million Twitter followers. It’s a real shame hypothetical biomed student wouldn’t be allowed to capitalize on this if the NCAA were running the program.
 
Turning this into a school setting. Imagine a biomedical engineering student were to come up with a cure to cancer using university research funds. My assumption is they wouldn’t be paid for their work/discovery. However, I would hope they would be allowed to profit off appearances, speeches, books, etc., correct?

This is probably the best analogy. And yes, they could definitely make money off of those things.
 
Turning this into a school setting. Imagine a biomedical engineering student were to come up with a cure to cancer using university research funds. My assumption is they wouldn’t be paid for their work/discovery. However, I would hope they would be allowed to profit off appearances, speeches, books, etc., correct?

To expand on this slightly. Let’s assume that the only reason the university received the research funding to begin with is due to the students prior work. (I’m unsure how research funding is granted, this may be partially how it’s obtained in real life idk).

Edit: Let’s also assume said student has a full academic scholarship and stipend, so maybe we can call it fair?
 
Well my dude, I have some bad news for you, because these athletes are already receiving stipends outside of benefits from the school called a stipend...

If you’re an 18 year old 5* football player where can you play other than college football?

BTW Tennessee could pay all their athletes and break even and continue to provide the service. Most power 5 programs could btw. So that argument isn’t true.

My son played college football. I don’t know much about it but I know what they get.

Free: tuition, housing, meals and other food, healthcare, clothing and shoes, gym memberships, cash monthly, cash for every away game, trips (not including away games) and even more free stuff.

The NCAA created their amateurism rules. Those rules included all of those things mentioned......and still labeled the student athletes as amateurs.

Read my post. The professional systems should allow anyone.........anyone the opportunity to enter their system.

I have a problem because when this is changed many student athletes and many programs will get screwed.

An FBS football team will have around 100 players. All of those players will contribute to the program and the NCAA making money. However when this is changed only a minute portion of the team will be compensated (under the new system). Those who would now receive more compensation should simply be allowed to play professional.

If the schools and ncaa could provide the $ for everyone then i would be for it......they can’t and won’t, and I’m not for it.

All of the athletes work, all of them provide for the team and program yet most will never see a dime.

Why do this when there are already many professional systems in place.
 
My son played college football. I don’t know much about it but I know what they get.

Free: tuition, housing, meals and other food, healthcare, clothing and shoes, gym memberships, cash monthly, cash for every away game, trips (not including away games) and even more free stuff.

The NCAA created their amateurism rules. Those rules included all of those things mentioned......and still labeled the student athletes as amateurs.

Read my post. The professional systems should allow anyone.........anyone the opportunity to enter their system.

I have a problem because when this is changed many student athletes and many programs will get screwed.

An FBS football team will have around 100 players. All of those players will contribute to the program and the NCAA making money. However when this is changed only a minute portion of the team will be compensated (under the new system). Those who would now receive more compensation should simply be allowed to play professional.

If the schools and ncaa could provide the $ for everyone then i would be for it......they can’t and won’t, and I’m not for it.

All of the athletes work, all of them provide for the team and program yet most will never see a dime.

Why do this when there are already many professional systems in place.

The NCAA can definitely afford it and every P5 program can afford it, have you not seen the numbers? Plus we aren’t talking about schools playing them we are talking about athletes making money off their name and image, which requires zero additional compensation from the school.
 
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They can’t make money off their name and image. Have you been reading the thread?

You're one of those who think any time someone can't do something that they've been robbed of a right, I see...

He wasn't "stripped of a right". He entered into a contractual agreement with a quid pro quo. The money issue about name and likeness isn't a rights issue, it's a contract negotiation. And it's being worked out, so you can relax now.
 
You're one of those who think any time someone can't do something that they've been robbed of a right, I see...

He wasn't "stripped of a right". He entered into a contractual agreement with a quid pro quo. The money issue about name and likeness isn't a rights issue, it's a contract negotiation. And it's being worked out, so you can relax now.

In any other line of work, you can make money off your name and likeness. Except college athletics. You have a right to earn money off your name and likeness. College athletics can’t. That’s a right they have and the US gives.

If you want to be so fancy and layman terms, they have been denied a privilege every other American has because of antiquated rules.
 
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