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JoAllan said:
I love how people try to make a “capitalism” argument.......and don’t really understand capitalism.

If an athlete could go pro right out of high school (if they wanted) everything would be solved. Then any athlete (who wanted to) could start “making money off of their likeness” or simply start making money from their sport. Also college athletes (those who chose this route) would still be amateurs.
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I've never understood the nobility behind being an amateur.
 
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Actually the XFL should be doing that. Allowing 18-21 year olds to play in their league would draw more interest.
 
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zjcvols said:
Actually the XFL should be doing that. Allowing 18-21 year olds to play in their league would draw more interest.
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I’m gonna predict that they will. I don’t think Vince cares about the sanctity of amateurism.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
I’m gonna predict that they will. I don’t think Vince cares about the sanctity of amateurism.
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Vince is a 74 year old rich guy who refuses to give healthcare to his own employers at WWE. I don’t think he wants 18-21 year old players in his league.
 
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VEKZY said:
I don't think Admiral is saying anything against the university. Just saying that being able to profit off of his own image/likeness would be much more valuable than a college degree he will likely never use.

I don't see anything wrong with him wishing that he was able to make money / start profiting earlier.
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that’s exactly what he is saying, it shouldn’t be this hard
 
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The idea players should not get paid because it makes you, or the fans, feel better about watching the sport if it remains "amateur" is one of the most selfish, illogical and absurd justifications I've ever heard. Why is it important you feel all warm an cuddly on the inside for these players to adhere to archaic systems of amateurism?
 
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zjcvols said:
Vince is a 74 year old rich guy who refuses to give healthcare to his own employers at WWE. I don’t think he wants 18-21 year old players in his league.
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He’ll do it if it makes financial sense. My point was that he won’t do it just to appease the NCAA/NFL.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
How come? Rick Barnes made money due to him, the assistants made money due to him, the school made money due to him, the SEC made money due to him, ESPN made money due to him, the NCAA made money due to him, the State of Tennessee made money due to him, etc......
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Amazing to me how many people totally ignore the fact that college sports is literally amateur athletics. There was no money due him. He signed up to play for a hundred grand in education, housing, nutrition, medical care, etc in exchange for performing as an amateur athlete. He didn't get tricked.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
He’ll do it if it makes financial sense. My point was that he won’t do it just to appease the NCAA/NFL.
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Fair enough, but something interesting if that both the AAF and XFL have deals to show games on the NFLN. Curious if not having 18-21 year olds is one of the requirements of said agreement
 
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zjcvols said:
That’s fine. That’s an entirely different argument. As long as you’re fine as the university runs basically rec programs then.
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I like MLBs model. College baseball has enough talent that I like to watch it. Of course universities would stand too much to lose. Which makes a de facto farm system inevitable. I admit I’m more of an idealist than a realist on the issue.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
Amazing to me how many people totally ignore the fact that college sports is literally amateur athletics. There was no money due him. He signed up to play for a hundred grand in education, housing, nutrition, medical care, etc in exchange for performing as an amateur athlete. He didn't get tricked.
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He didn’t get tricked, he was stripped of rights that every other American gets.

Still completely unfair.
 
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golfballs said:
I like MLBs model. College baseball has enough talent that I like to watch it. Of course universities would stand too much to lose. Which makes a de facto farm system inevitable. I admit I’m more of an idealist than a realist on the issue.
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I also like MLB’s model as well.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I've never understood the nobility behind being an amateur.
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Strange

I’m not sure I’ve seen anything.......at all, about amateur nobility.

A professional usually is compensated with money. An amateur usually competes without monetary compensation. One is no more “nobel” than the other.......it’s just different.

Most every sport already has a professional system in place. Those athletes are paid and every athlete should be able to join whenever they want.

However since there are already multiple professional systems in place (for almost all sports), why turn college sports into another professional league?

The college athlete is already highly compensated. Probably 99% are already compensated more than their individual market value. Those who wanted more could easily simply go professional if that were allowed (as it should be).
 
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JoAllan said:
Strange

I’m not sure I’ve seen anything.......at all, about amateur nobility.

A professional usually is compensated with money. An armature usually competes without monetary compensation. One is no more nobel” than the other.......it’s just different.

Most ever sport already has a professional system in place. Those athletes are paid and every athlete should be able to join whenever they want.

However since there are already multiple professional systems in place (for almost all sports), why turn college sports into another professional league?

The college athlete is already highly compensated. Probably 99% are already compensated more than their individual market value. Those who wanted more could easily simply go professional if that were allowed (as it should be).
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Because...these universities and the NCAA make millions upon millions of dollars because of their play? Duh.

And also, just because they’re being compensated, doesn’t mean they’re being compensated fairly. Plus that’s not the argument. The argument is players making money off their name and image, which is something every other student at any other university can do. Unless you’re an athlete. It’s ridiculous.
 
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JoAllan said:
Strange

I’m not sure I’ve seen anything.......at all, about amateur nobility.

A professional usually is compensated with money. An armature usually competes without monetary compensation. One is no more “nobel” than the other.......it’s just different.

Most every sport already has a professional system in place. Those athletes are paid and every athlete should be able to join whenever they want.

However since there are already multiple professional systems in place (for almost all sports), why turn college sports into another professional league?

The college athlete is already highly compensated. Probably 99% are already compensated more than their individual market value. Those who wanted more could easily simply go professional if that were allowed (as it should be).
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So the college game is essentially a professional system as it currently is.
 
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If athletes are going to be making money then what stops the school from charging for these services? Really just asking.
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Nutrition. Training. Top tier medical professionals. Coaching. Facilities. Equipment. Housing. Tutoring. All provided on UT's dime. On top of a degree free of student debt. So much mistreatment.
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BeecherVol said:
So the college game is essentially a professional system as it currently is.
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How so?

I didn’t say is was essentially a professional system.....nor do I think it is “essentially” a professional system.

College sports has tried hard to remain amateur. We all know there are “cheats within the system.” However there is no valid reason to transform the “college system” into a “professional system.”

Many professional systems already exist......why do we need more? The professional systems simply need to allow anyone access.

If the NFL does not think a newly graduated high school athlete is capable of thriving (in the NFL)........simply don’t draft or sign them.

There just isn’t a valid need to create more professional systems.......since there are already so many.........just allow anyone the opportunity whenever they want to try.
 
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JoAllan said:
How so?

I didn’t say is was essentially a professional system.....nor do I think it is “essentially” a professional system.

College sports has tried hard to remain amateur. We all know there are “cheats within the system.” However there is no valid reason to transform the “college system” into a “professional system.”

Many professional systems already exist......why do we need more? The professional systems simply need to allow anyone access.

If the NFL does not think a newly graduated high school athlete is capable of thriving (in the NFL)........simply don’t draft or sign them.

There just isn’t a valid need to create more professional systems.......since there are already so many.........just allow anyone the opportunity whenever they want to try.
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The college athlete is already highly compensated. Probably 99% are already compensated more than their individual market value.
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And that doesnt factor in those who are already receiving goods and $.
 
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JoAllan said:
How so?

I didn’t say is was essentially a professional system.....nor do I think it is “essentially” a professional system.

College sports has tried hard to remain amateur. We all know there are “cheats within the system.” However there is no valid reason to transform the “college system” into a “professional system.”

Many professional systems already exist......why do we need more? The professional systems simply need to allow anyone access.

If the NFL does not think a newly graduated high school athlete is capable of thriving (in the NFL)........simply don’t draft or sign them.

There just isn’t a valid need to create more professional systems.......since there are already so many.........just allow anyone the opportunity whenever they want to try.
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You’re still missing the point.

How does allowing players to make money off their name and image, which again, every American has the right to do, make it a professional system?

If a biology major is also an attractive female and is an Instagram model that makes money from that, does that make her less of a student because she is profiting off her name and image? No.

And also, why should universities be in the game of athletics when they make money? I’m fine with amateurism as long as schools are willing to stop making money too. Get rid of tv contracts and apparel contracts then. Nobody makes money. Are you good with that?

And the NCAA SUCKS. So if this overthrows them good, we can get a better system.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
This thread, as anticipated, has already devolved to trash. This was not a criticism of the University of Tennessee. We all know Admiral loved playing here. He is beloved by fans across the country. Yet it was obvious some dullards were going to take this the wrong way and use it as an excuse to attack Admiral. He has a point. The #5 jersey was probably sold countless times at UT stores during his career and he didn't see a penny from that. Not everything is a personal attack on UT. Don't be so sensitive.
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What does Stanly Caldwell’s, jersey sales while Admiral was playing, have to do with this?
Sincerely,
Anti name and likeness profiting guy

GBO!!
 
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Your boss walks in says, "Oh hey, we used your idea (and all that work you put in perfecting it) and made a bundle for the company. But your pay stays the same."

NONE of y'all would be okay with that. And if you say you are, you're lying.
 
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vollygirl said:
Your boss walks in says, "Oh hey, we used your idea (and all that work you put in perfecting it) and made a bundle for the company. But your pay stays the same."

NONE of y'all would be okay with that. And if you say you are, you're lying.
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Or if I became a fashion model somewhere for a local company (this would never ever happen) but my employer said I couldn’t because I would then be making money off my name and image. That wouldn’t happen in a million years in this country. Hell thats illegal.
 
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