Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Prayers please. In the hospital with chest pain and a stress test in the morning. Phone is dying so won't be able to respond. Wouldn't matter anyway since they just gave me Lyrica, Benadryl and Zrytec.TIA!

Will do

 

[jakez4ut]

People say that but when you're losing to UGA, UF, Bama, and top West/OOC opponents every year, people would still want a change pretty quick.

ultimately i think you're right. everything looks good on paper until you apply some context.

i've never more pissed at a coach than i was Butch Jones after the 2016 season. and we beat UF and UGA...and won 8 games. and if up to me, i'd of fired him immediately after the vandy game that year.

every season has a life of it's own, and there's seasons where you know you're not maybe quite as good as teh top, and 8 or 9 wins is really, really good. then there are others like 2015 and 2016 where you know you really did waste some seriously good opportunities to do big things, even though, on paper, they were "good" seasons.

we did it to fulmer...would go 10-1 or 9-2 relatively regularly, but we'd harp on the 1 or 2 he lost. cause that's what prevented us from winning titles. especially the FL game.

eventually, it will happen to every coach if they're successful enough to last more than 3-4 years.

 

[jakez4ut]

I can handle Will West. But Heather says stuff like "ThE uNiVeRsItY oF tEnNeSsEe FuTbAwL tEaM nEeDz To PlAy SuM sPoRtZ tHiS sAtErDeY... oN ThE fIeLd"

and I have to sit back and tell myself namaste

and yes she actually said that. I went to see if I could tolerate it and she said that within the first five minutes.

i honestly don't know what qualifies her to be on that station talking about the things she does. fingernails on a chalkboard to....the content, the voice...all of it is bad. i don't know how the co host does it.

 

[VolGee4]

I, like most, feel OK about the trajectory under Pruitt after the bad start. It *feels* like we’re going to win 5-ish games this year and go into next year feeling like we can win 8 or 9.

That would be good and I would be happy.

HOWEVER:
1) none of that is guaranteed.
2) that best case scenario still isn’t to the level guys like Harbaugh and Mullen reached in Year 1.

So, while we can feel good about the turnaround here and generally optimistic about the future, it’s still not in the tier of the other coaches we’re discussing.

Who cares? Why is this even being discussed? Oh, because it's a message board. Just turn it around.

 

[Chuckie]

Man, I'd like to know which mod fired up the merge dozer and combined our once-great thread with the "Recruiting Forum Michigan Football Talk" thread. I think they may need to suffer the same fate as @SergeantVol

 

[VolGee4]

Ya, coaching and system matter a lot more than we give it credit for. QB especially gets labeled a bust if they don't have success, but a lot of times that exact QB would have set the world on fire somewhere else. Vice versa too, the Bradys of the world would have faded into obscurity if they'd gone to certain horrific teams that didn't use and develop them properly.

Emmanuel Moseley is one of many, many Butch players who could have been elite playing for someone else, as he's showing on Sundays.

Moseley didn't have any other P5 offers. Kind of ironic that he would be elite playing for someone else.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Harbaugh is 1-10 vs top ten teams. All his players and his personality. 1-10
Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin will be near the top ten every year it seems like. So if Michigan is content paying 7-8 million a year for 4th best in their conference, so be it. Can Pruitt do it better..... we don’t know. But there’s enough evidence on Harbaugh to know his ceiling.

Got curious how other "top" head coaches have done against top 10 opponents...(number is where they rank in salary)

Since 2015 (Harbaugh tenure begins at Michigan)
3. Jim Harbaugh at 1-10
4. Jimbo Fisher is 4-10 against the top 10 (3 coming in 2015/2016 before the ACC got good)
11. James Franklin is 2-7 (all his wins came in 2016)
10. Dan Mullen is 4-5 (despite being the SEC has only played 9 teams in the top 10...lost to Bama every year they've played)
30. Ed Orgeron is 7-3 (didn't coach in 2015 though)
9. Lincoln Riley is 4-2 (only been a HC since 2017)
2. Nick Saban is 14-3
1. Dabo Swinney is 9-3
75. Brian Kelly is 1-4
5. Gus Malzahn is 3-10

 

[RiotVol]

i honestly don't know what qualifies her to be on that station talking about the things she does. fingernails on a chalkboard to....the content, the voice...all of it is bad. i don't know how the co host does it.

<bone to bone reference>

 

[jave36]

Moseley didn't have any other P5 offers. Kind of ironic that he would be elite playing for someone else.

Clearly he had the talent, or he wouldn't be playing on Sundays. Whether or not he got discovered by other p5 schools is irrelevant to the point.

 

[bleedsUTorange]

Does he do it during the post-game show or like on a regularly scheduled show?

During basketball season Basilio generally has Judd come on his daily show the day of games often, and he will break down and give insight to past history of the crew calling said game and his opinion of what to expect. Then Judd will always come on the post game show to share his detailed notes from the game. He is VERY thorough and his information is VERY accurate, but he will be the first to tell you it is his own study and no one else's and doesn't represent anything other than personal notes, although he stands behind everything he charts 100% as accurate.

His breakdown of Anthony Jordan before and after the LSU game last year was remarkable. He told beforehand what was gonna happen that night, and after the game the numbers didn't lie. His info was shared and retweeted so much it definitely played a big part in putting the pressure on the SEC over Jordan last year.

 

[HankHill]

Ya, coaching and system matter a lot more than we give it credit for. QB especially gets labeled a bust if they don't have success, but a lot of times that exact QB would have set the world on fire somewhere else. Vice versa too, the Bradys of the world would have faded into obscurity if they'd gone to certain horrific teams that didn't use and develop them properly.

Emmanuel Moseley is one of many, many Butch players who could have been elite playing for someone else, as he's showing on Sundays.

That’s one way to look at it i guess but you also have to give that staff credit for evaluating Mosley and giving them the chance here. He didn’t have many other options other than us.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Harbaugh is 1-10 vs top ten teams. All his players and his personality. 1-10
Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin will be near the top ten every year it seems like. So if Michigan is content paying 7-8 million a year for 4th best in their conference, so be it. Can Pruitt do it better..... we don’t know. But there’s enough evidence on Harbaugh to know his ceiling.

Based off
@LSU-SIU perspective about WRU (lsu), I wouldn't be surprised if he/she thought Harbaugh is the best coach in the BIG.
Damn goober

 

[bignewt]

it's been that way on the swain show too.

fans were legitimately pissed saturday and the social media comments about jg....some have been really just awful.

you see enough of that out there and you do wonder how visceral will the reaction be if he takes the field?

i do agree, i think there's been enough talk about it this week that while it may happen, it' probably won't be near as bad as some, myself included, prevously thought it might be......

still...just another another PSA for anyone that hadn't gotten the message yet.

What's ridiculous is that there is not a single fan who will be at the game who will think, you know I was gonna boo this sh!tbird but jake on volnation and 99.1 said not to, so you know, I think I'll cheer instead.

 

[bignewt]

Prayers please. In the hospital with chest pain and a stress test in the morning. Phone is dying so won't be able to respond. Wouldn't matter anyway since they just gave me Lyrica, Benadryl and Zrytec.TIA!

Not a prayer guy but sure do hope you feel better!

 

[RiotVol]

What's ridiculous is that there is not a single fan who will be at the game who will think, you know I was gonna boo this sh!tbird but jake on volnation and 99.1 said not to, so you know, I think I'll cheer instead.

This made me laugh.

 

[Tstormtrooper]

Will see how good you and everybody else feels after we go three and out the first five times we have the ball as JG goes 2-9. That is if he doesn't throw a pic or two along the way to break up the monotony.


By the way...I hope I am dead wrong and he comes out with his hair on fire and plays the game of his life...but I ain't seytin myself up for that disappointing nut crush again.

Sorry McGill I wasn't saying JG was the starter. But whoever starts the Vols going to be showing more emotion than we have seen in awhile. HOME GAME

 

[bignewt]

I can handle Will West. But Heather says stuff like "ThE uNiVeRsItY oF tEnNeSsEe FuTbAwL tEaM nEeDz To PlAy SuM sPoRtZ tHiS sAtErDeY... oN ThE fIeLd"

and I have to sit back and tell myself namaste

and yes she actually said that. I went to see if I could tolerate it and she said that within the first five minutes.

she is straight up pure ear cancer

 

[SLICKYINC]

The staff has continued to stay in touch with this guy out of Memphis. Not sure if we've offered or not but he's not a bad player especially if we miss on a few of our top priorities. Start a thread on him? @HoleInTheRoof

 

[jave36]

That’s one way to look at it i guess but you also have to give that staff credit for evaluating Mosley and giving them the chance here. He didn’t have many other options other than us.

I don't doubt butch's talent evaluation at all. He recruited some great players. He just couldn't develop them or use them.

 

[jakez4ut]

What's ridiculous is that there is not a single fan who will be at the game who will think, you know I was gonna boo this sh!tbird but jake on volnation and 99.1 said not to, so you know, I think I'll cheer instead.

are you going? lol

 

[HankHill]

Harbaugh is 1-10 vs top ten teams. All his players and his personality. 1-10
Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin will be near the top ten every year it seems like. So if Michigan is content paying 7-8 million a year for 4th best in their conference, so be it. Can Pruitt do it better..... we don’t know. But there’s enough evidence on Harbaugh to know his ceiling.

He’s had three 10 win seasons in 4 years. Any program who isn’t happy with 10 win seasons needs to take a look in the mirror. It’s also silly to think a guy who coached in a super bowl can’t take that next step especially considering Ohio state lost maybe the 2nd best CFB coach in modern era.

 

[VolGee4]

Clearly he had the talent, or he wouldn't be playing on Sundays. Whether or not he got discovered by other p5 schools is irrelevant to the point.

It's somewhat relevant. There is a chance he never plays CB or gets discovered by not playing at UT. He played QB in HS.

Sure, development was an issue under Butch with some players, but he discovered the talent.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I, like most, feel OK about the trajectory under Pruitt after the bad start. It *feels* like we’re going to win 5-ish games this year and go into next year feeling like we can win 8 or 9.

That would be good and I would be happy.

HOWEVER:
1) none of that is guaranteed.
2) that best case scenario still isn’t to the level guys like Harbaugh and Mullen reached in Year 1.

So, while we can feel good about the turnaround here and generally optimistic about the future, it’s still not in the tier of the other coaches we’re discussing.

We have no idea what Pruitts ceiling is. Those coaches inherited completely different programs and in completely different stages. Pruitt still needed time to figure out how to be a head coach and still does. He could be great or average. We don’t know yet. I was very down on him but after the last few weeks, I see improvement and I like our trajectory going into next year with a bigger Maurer and Bailey at QB. I could see us winning 8-9 next year too.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I am serious...HOW..can you not feel this way? He is awful, no beyond awful..it is not too much. I am not talking about him as a person, but I literally hate the sight of him on the field. It sucks every shred of hope. He shocked me in the MSU game and I thought he might finally be worth something, and then he pulls that awful awful awful betrayal of trust last Saturday..not to mention looking like a total spaz doing it..I can not forget that.

Because it's just a game and I sure as hell can't do half of what he can on the field, guarantee you can't either.

In the 28 games he has played his career I can only really look at 6 of them as just bad performances, 7 if you want to count BYU, which is fair. 3 against Bama, 2 against Florida...and the most upsetting is the bad game last year at Vanderbilt he probably shouldn't have been in that game though to be honest.

Justin Worley has a far worse career here, yet seems to get no where near the same level of hate. In his 22 game career he had at least 10 terrible games.

 

[jakez4ut]

This made me laugh.