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Devo182 said:
His total plays average 3 yards per play. Any spark is an illusion so far. I have no problem giving him more shots, as he is young and can grow, but people thinking the offense has done any better under him are straight delusional. The facts are to the contrary.
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You’re ridiculous dude lol...did your boy JG manage to get those 3 points in the swamp or did Maurer “The Freshman”? ...I’m assuming if that doesn’t work,you’ll compare Pruitt sending Maurer out there in swamp to butch sending Peterman out in the swamp..difference is Maurer got us points..moving us down the field..how many more stats do you need before you realize JG hasn’t given us anything in 3 years and has regressed as a veteran QB?...your perception on Maurer isn’t hardly fair considering the coaching staff has only allowed Brian a total of 13 Pass attempts to JG’s 93?...which by the way he’s right on par with his “Consistent “ average” that we have seen for the last 3 years...dude is topped out he isn’t good,let it go.
 

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eVOLve said:
@Devo182 here's JGs first 5 drives before Maurer drove us down the field for 3 points:

Punt - 6 plays, 31 yards
INT - 5 plays, 16 yards
INT - 7 plays, 11 yards
Punt - 3 plays, -2 yards
Punt 3 plays, 2 yards

Maurer:
FG - 11 plays, 52 yards

Prepare Maurer. He'll be better.
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Only out of fairness, the first drive we were moving the ball well until we were set back on a personal foul. The second drive should’ve been a TD, and it was a short field so that drive summary doesn’t speak to the reality on the first two drives.

To me JG’s biggest problem right now is confidence and the ability to snap and clear. He didn’t look like the same QB after the first interception which was only partially his fault.
 
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Devo182 said:
Look at what each did.

Jg 10/17 107 yards, 65%, 6.3 ypa 88 qbr

BM 4/11 44 yards (about half were yac on 1 play), 36%, 4 ypa, 52 qbr. Nfl qbr was a 7.5

Your narrowing the field by limiting it to his first 5 drives. His first 2 gained the same yards and should have ended with 7 pts in a JJ end zone catch. Overall, he simply had more yards per play, by double. His overall season has shown nothing but inefficiency.
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JG has regressed greatly. That's a fact. Maurer and Shrout are not at their ceiling and can and will improve which may give us a chance to win in the future. There is not a down side starting Maurer or Shrout. It's very probable one of them wind up better than JG in time. Start the process now. We are going to lose these next several games regardless but at least breath some new life in the offense and maybe there will be a spark.

I'm genuinely not sure how anyone can think otherwise.
 
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eVOLve said:
You should add up all the yards, points, etc that JG has missed out on because he can't make simple reads or hit a wide open receiver down the field.

He could be 9/10 throwing and that wont make a difference if that 10th throw is a INT, missed throw for the first down or missed TD. I'd prefer a guy 5/10 if that means he makes good decisions with the ball and gets us points.
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He will be 9/10 throwing and only get us two first downs because he throws everything short, the check down, or the easiest pass even if it means we don’t get the first down.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
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the fact of the matter is, as bad as JG been, the two behind him aren’t pushing him at all.

If you want to attempt to win football games, and this staff needs to win in order to survive, then JG is the best bet.
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A limited data set is not really a good approach for accurate analysis and I'm sure you're aware of that. There's a lot more detailed analysis available but it's still flawed for the same reason. We don't have much in game data on the 2 younger QBs. The staff, however, has a tremendous amount of practice data and practice film so we're probably in a position of having to -- wait for it - drum roll, please - Trust the coaches.

Again we don't have data on Maurer but of the 13 throws he's made on film so far SEC Stats judges 38.46% to be interceptable and, presumably including those, they say 46.15% of his passes are uncatchable. None of this is in my opinion credible because it doesn't meet any criteria for the law of large numbers. We need to let him throw a hundred passes and see where he's at. He has an adjusted completion percentage of 36.36% based on his first career 13 passes.

I don't think we can judge Brian or JT off of 10-15 snaps because we're not judging JG off only 10-15 snaps. I'm not a JG hater but I think I understand why so many fans want to make a change. It's like Pat Ryan said on the Big Orange Hotline last night. They feel like JG has had his shot.

If this was a business and I was in charge I would definitely bench JG and it wouldn't be personal. That's no guarantee that someone else is going to do better but what's the worst that can happen? We lose? We're doing that with JG. I blame the coaches for Georgia State but c'mon,, from a player's perspective, JG as the leader of our team, still should not have let that happen. jmo.

I could argue that JG wants the glory but he doesn't want the responsibility. I think a lot of people look at Brian and see someone who wants the responsibility. In the absence of anything else, at least in the view of many fans, he compares very favorably against JG just using the eye test. jmo.
 
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What’s the 3 most coveted, yet hardest positions to fill in the draft every single year?

1. QB
2. DE
3. LT

I was thinking, a rebuild could be drastically sped up if a team had 2 of the those 3 positions AND a top flight coach added. Butch had Dobbs and Barnett which covered a multitude of ineptitude. So for kicks and giggles, do you think landing a Justin Fields type transfer QB, landing a DE from a JUCO and adding Meyer or Stoops along with the talent TN will have after this next class would shrink a 5 year rebuild into 2? (Just sitting at my kids soccer practice with nothing but time to dream this stuff up. 🤦🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️)
 
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Catbone said:
JG has regressed greatly. That's a fact. Maurer and Shrout are not at their ceiling and can and will improve which may give us a chance to win in the future. There is not a down side starting Maurer or Shrout. It's very probable one of them wind up better than JG in time. Start the process now. We are going to lose these next several games regardless but at least breath some new life in the offense and maybe there will be a spark.

I'm genuinely not sure how anyone can think otherwise.
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Exactly!!!...Maurer is a Freshman! JT is a red shirt freshman ..like what in the world? Lol Brian did better than any freshman we have ever put in at the swamp...does anyone wanna take a guess how JG would have reacted on the batted pass that Maurer caught himself 👀😭😂 dude would have freaked..Maurer was one tackle away from turning up field for a chunk...the comparison isn’t even fair and Brian should definitely be preparing as a starter.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
A limited data set is not really a good approach for accurate analysis and I'm sure you're aware of that. There's a lot more detailed analysis available but it's still flawed for the same reason. We don't have much in game data on the 2 younger QBs. The staff, however, has a tremendous amount of practice data and practice film so we're probably in a position of having to -- wait for it - drum roll, please - Trust the coaches.

Again we don't have data on Maurer but of the 13 throws he's made on film so far SEC Stats judges 38.46% to be interceptable and, presumably including those, they say 46.15% of his passes are uncatchable. None of this is in my opinion credible because it doesn't meet any criteria for the law of large numbers. We need to let him throw a hundred passes and see where he's at. He has an adjusted completion percentage of 36.36% based on his first career 13 passes.

I don't think we can judge Brian or JT off of 10-15 snaps because we're not judging JG off only 10-15 snaps. I'm not a JG hater but I think I understand why so many fans want to make a change. It's like Pat Ryan said on the Big Orange Hotline last night. They feel like JG has had his shot.

If this was a business and I was in charge I would definitely bench JG and it wouldn't be personal. That's no guarantee that someone else is going to do better but what's the worst that can happen? We lose? We're doing that with JG. I blame the coaches for Georgia State but c'mon,, from a player's perspective, JG as the leader of our team, still should not have let that happen. jmo.

I could argue that JG wants the glory but he doesn't want the responsibility. I think a lot of people look at Brian and see someone who wants the responsibility. In the absence of anything else, at least in the view of many fans, he compares very favorably against JG just using the eye test. jmo.
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And again, I’d say there’s misplaced trust or optimism in Maurer or Shrout due to the same small sample size. JG regularly outperforms them in practice and - as an upperclassmen should - has shown a stronger ability to get the offense in and out of sets and the offensive line in and out of protections.

This staff has to win football games. They know they can’t afford to throw the season away just yet and prepare for the future. The fact is JG gives them the best chance to do that. Not a good chance, mind you - I think we can all agree the QB won’t make a difference in the next 3 games - but he is the best option right now.

The priority should be to find what JG does well and to simplify everything for him. They are giving him too much control pre-snap and it needs to be reigned back so he gets out of his own head.
 
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Devo182 said:
Staff seems to see him as their best shot I would suppose. Fans have a hard time believing that, but nothing really shows us otherwise. Sometimes our best is not good enough, but it's still our best.

It's the same as fans thinking our players must just be quitting. They somehow work hard offseason and are our best during practice, but they must just be tanking in-game because they must have no nfl aspirations, no pride, and don't want the spotlight from winning. They are anomalies in the humam race in every psychological motivation aspect.

It's harder to accept the idea that we simply aren't any good. I doubt that players give up game 1, or 2, or their 1st sec game of the year. We just aren't good. That is the hard, cold idea to accept.
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I have stated these words before. Fans just can’t believe that their players aren’t as good.
 
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Catbone said:
JG has regressed greatly. That's a fact. Maurer and Shrout are not at their ceiling and can and will improve which may give us a chance to win in the future. There is not a down side starting Maurer or Shrout. It's very probable one of them wind up better than JG in time. Start the process now. We are going to lose these next several games regardless but at least breath some new life in the offense and maybe there will be a spark.

I'm genuinely not sure how anyone can think otherwise.
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I can’t say that he has regressed, he’s never been very good outside a few bright spots last season.

He’s 0-2 versus Vanderbilt. I have been watching UT Football for 40 years and I can’t remember a UT QB with a losing record against them. If he losses to them again this season that will certainly be unprecedented in my lifetime.
 
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