Basilio saying Fulmer/Chaney want a new QB

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sjt18 said:
PURE BS. He was virtually untouched for 3 quarters vs GSU in spite of them stupidly playing musical chairs with the OL. He missed one open receiver after another... and threw some really bad balls. He is responsible for the start of the game and setting GSU up with a short field.

The D wasn't good... but they shouldn't have been shouldering the burden in that game. If he'd hit the open plays, it would have been over by half time. JG is the main thing that kept GSU in the game.
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Great post! When you state he missed one open receiver after another, truer words have not been written. I have re-watched the game several times, when I do, slow it down, and freeze frame, I realize how bad it was. He missed so many, I thought he may have had an injury to his shoulder, as he didn't even look at the open man if he were more than 15 yards out, and when he did throw his accuracy was Not SEC quality passing. No one has even brought it up, but I wonder if he is having tendon problems in his shoulder, as he has gotten worse, he's not improving.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Trent Dilfer was not even an average QB when the Ravens won the Super Bowl. He didn’t have to win the game, his job was not to lose it and let the defense win the game.
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Yeah, we don't have that Ravens defense that has been the best since the '85 Bears D...

sadly, given our qb status.
 
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05_never_again said:
O line play is more than just pass protection. Our backs rushed 31 times for 93 yards in that game - there was nowhere to run.
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You are trying WAY too hard to ignore the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Add the 36 yards lost to sacks and you're at 27 rushes for 129. Not great but those 4.8 yds per play weren't the main thing keeping UT from moving the ball. You could easily argue they didn't run enough since the passing game was pretty much ineffective. And no, the raw stats do not prove anything different. JG's "best" passing was when GSU went into prevent on the last drive of the game.

They have a very weak pass D. Furman's QB threw for 311 and 4 TD's against them in a game that went down to the wire.

GSU has played UT, Furman, and Western Michigan. The opponent QBR's in those respective games were 141.81, 205.10, and 189.50.

Western Michigan scored 57 on a D that JG just couldn't seem to find receivers against.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Trent Dilfer was not even an average QB when the Ravens won the Super Bowl. He didn’t have to win the game, his job was not to lose it and let the defense win the game.
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And how many SBs have the Ravens won since then....with QBs who weren't even as good as Dilfer???
 
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sjt18 said:
You are trying WAY too hard to ignore the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Add the 36 yards lost to sacks and you're at 27 rushes for 129. Not great but those 4.8 yds per play weren't the main thing keeping UT from moving the ball. You could easily argue they didn't run enough since the passing game was pretty much ineffective. And no, the raw stats do not prove anything different. JG's "best" passing was when GSU went into prevent on the last drive of the game.

They have a very weak pass D. Furman's QB threw for 311 and 4 TD's against them in a game that went down to the wire.

GSU has played UT, Furman, and Western Michigan. The opponent QBR's in those respective games were 141.81, 205.10, and 189.50.

Western Michigan scored 57 on a D that JG just couldn't seem to find receivers against.
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I don't know who made the decision to play musical chairs with the OL in that GSU game....BUT...

That one game's playcalling is ALL ON CHANEY!

We could've ran that stretch play Chandler scored on all game long and JABBA only called it one time if I remember correctly.
GSU was selling out every play and ye 'ol dipstick NEVER ran a reverse or any misdirection.

I know our defense played terrible in the 2nd half---but they could've been helped by an OC who could've and should've given the ball 50 times to those 2 RBs of ours.

I have NOTHING for Chaney at all.....he hit his ceiling at UGA with all that talent IMO and Kirby was smart enough to let him walk out the door.
And yes, I'm still mad about it....LOL.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Just listened to his show.
He said that his anonymous source X in the UTAD is saying:
Fulmer is extremely upset that Pruitt didn’t get us a good transfer QB for this season.
Chaney thinks our two backups have better arms and more football IQ than JG. He wants to try one but CJP vetoed.

I know many here don’t like Basilio or care what he says.
I’m just passing along what he said.
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Ahhhhh the old Anonymous Source...hmmmm to quote a great mind “Fake News”
 
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sjt18 said:
You are trying WAY too hard to ignore the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Add the 36 yards lost to sacks and you're at 27 rushes for 129. Not great but those 4.8 yds per play weren't the main thing keeping UT from moving the ball. You could easily argue they didn't run enough since the passing game was pretty much ineffective. And no, the raw stats do not prove anything different. JG's "best" passing was when GSU went into prevent on the last drive of the game.

They have a very weak pass D. Furman's QB threw for 311 and 4 TD's against them in a game that went down to the wire.

GSU has played UT, Furman, and Western Michigan. The opponent QBR's in those respective games were 141.81, 205.10, and 189.50.

Western Michigan scored 57 on a D that JG just couldn't seem to find receivers against.
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By definition, it's kind of hard to pin losses on a QB when the other team scored 38 points, and only 7 of those were set up by a short field. This argument kind of reminds me of Bammers wanting to blame Sark and/or Jalen Hurts for the 2016 CFPNCG loss. Their major problems in that game weren't on offense, and they definitely weren't on the QB. It's just picking the easiest and most obvious target.

And by the way, I'm not saying JG played well or that he didn't play a role in the loss. He did contribute to the loss. I think everyone on the team, staff included, did. I just think that he didn't deserve an inordinate amount of the blame for it, and that there were more glaring/severe problems at other places, particularly on defense, that contributed to it more. JG could have played the poor game that he did, but if the defense was just halfway decent, the final score is probably something like 31-10. By contrast, if JG played great against Georgia St, I bet the game is still close. That's how bad the LOS and defensive play was. 27 rushes for 129 yards is terrible against Georgia St, and you had a defense that repeatedly couldn't get lined up properly and acted like they'd never seen a simple option play before.
 
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05_never_again said:
By definition, it's kind of hard to pin losses on a QB when the other team scored 38 points, and only 7 of those were set up by a short field.
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It isn't when the drives from the 2nd qtr to the last drive went like this:
6 plays/20 yds,
12 plays/73 yds FG,
6 plays/21 yds,
7 plays/19 yds FG,
5 plays/62 yds FG,
4 plays/14 yds fumble by JG,
2 plays/-7 yds INT,
4 plays/7 yds turnover on downs

You can handwave and try to blame others all you like. And none played a perfect game. But the biggest factor in this ineffectiveness was JG's poor decision making and being flat out too slow getting the ball out.

This argument kind of reminds me of Bammers wanting to blame Sark and/or Jalen Hurts for the 2016 CFPNCG loss. Their major problems in that game weren't on offense, and they definitely weren't on the QB. It's just picking the easiest and most obvious target.
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Nope. If a QB capable of reading D's and finding the open guy and throwing on time had been at the trigger... UT would have blown GSU and maybe BYU off the field.

And by the way, I'm not saying JG played well or that he didn't play a role in the loss. He did contribute to the loss. I think everyone on the team, staff included, did. I just think that he didn't deserve an inordinate amount of the blame for it, and that there were more glaring/severe problems at other places, particularly on defense, that contributed to it more. JG could have played the poor game that he did, but if the defense was just halfway decent, the final score is probably something like 31-10. By contrast, if JG played great against Georgia St, I bet the game is still close. That's how bad the LOS and defensive play was. 27 rushes for 129 yards is terrible against Georgia St, and you had a defense that repeatedly couldn't get lined up properly and acted like they'd never seen a simple option play before.
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I think there is youth and inexperience and the difficulties you would expect... the normal level of mistakes you expect even from experienced players... and then a 4th year QB who cannot make reads that most SEC starting Fr QB's master before the end of their first season.

I'm not saying he's a bad guy or not trying. The announcers suggested a lack of confidence and that's a possibility. Some guys just do not process information and react as well as others. That's a possibility. There are likely many things it could be. But the simple fact is that if he threw on time... UT's receivers are getting open. If he hit them... the whole O opens up.
 
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sjt18 said:
A QB's decision making is a primary factor in the performance of the O and wins/losses. That just is the case.

A bad decision by a WR doesn't necessarily kill a play. A RB can do something dumb and the O still succeed. Even an OL can whiff a block and still see the play go for yardage. You can compensate for any other position. But on every play the QB will make decisions and actions that can kill a play. JG's poor decision making and failure to find and hit open receivers is one of the biggest if not the biggest factor in UT's first two losses.

The coaches were afraid to put the game in JG's hands vs GSU... think about that for a bit.
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This almost the exact conversation I had with my brother today verbatim. His rebuttal was JG's play on our win vs auburn last season lol.
 
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LosersWithSocks said:
Maurer looked decent against UTC. But as someone who has said I'd like a QB change, it is plain to see that JG is ahead of the other two. Maurer may be great down the road, but he didn't look anywhere near ready for primetime.

I think it's time to accept our situation. JG is our guy. We are going to win or lose with him. Just how it is unfortunately.
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We will definately lose with jg, look at the record since he has been qb. Since we are going to lose anyways let strout or maurer one play, they will improve, but if jg was going to improve we would see it by now. This year is shot if we continue to play jg. I don't see but maybe 3 wins. Play for next year, and the remainder of this season play the backups and watch them improve from game to game.
 
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sjt18 said:
PURE BS. He was virtually untouched for 3 quarters vs GSU in spite of them stupidly playing musical chairs with the OL. He missed one open receiver after another... and threw some really bad balls. He is responsible for the start of the game and setting GSU up with a short field.

The D wasn't good... but they shouldn't have been shouldering the burden in that game. If he'd hit the open plays, it would have been over by half time. JG is the main thing that kept GSU in the game.
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Agreed. When your offense is unable to keep your defense off the field, it breeds room for error. Offense controls the clock and flow of the game. The defence is in control of creating turnovers and defending territory. They can't do that if they're playing time exceeds their offense. The saying is an elite defense wins games, but that is only true if you have a competent offense. See Auburn game last yr as an example. They had one of the top defenses in the country, but their offense was substandard, hence, they lost. I've got plenty more examples, but I'll stop there.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Just listened to his show.
He said that his anonymous source X in the UTAD is saying:
Fulmer is extremely upset that Pruitt didn’t get us a good transfer QB for this season.
Chaney thinks our two backups have better arms and more football IQ than JG. He wants to try one but CJP vetoed.

I know many here don’t like Basilio or care what he says.
I’m just passing along what he said.
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Me Too !
 
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cgrish said:
We will definately lose with jg, look at the record since he has been qb. Since we are going to lose anyways let strout or maurer one play, they will improve, but if jg was going to improve we would see it by now. This year is shot if we continue to play jg. I don't see but maybe 3 wins. Play for next year, and the remainder of this season play the backups and watch them improve from game to game.
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That’s the problem with a lot of these opinions. It’s only natural to think in the “here and now”. And RIGHT NOW yes JG May be our best chance to win the next game due to experience, not talent. Imo I don’t think many, including our HC, are thinking in terms of the damage it’s causing the team by NOT playing the backups for the future. Instead they are thinking “I don’t want to lose THIS week due to qb play”. Not realizing that had Pruitt just went with the one with the highest ceiling week 1, we probably lose to GAST. We probably lose to BYU. We more than likely still beat UTC but our chances of beating Florida would have increased considerably. Instead we went with the experienced qb that’s kept our team where it’s been the last 3 years while not realizing our record would still be the same.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
This almost the exact conversation I had with my brother today verbatim. His rebuttal was JG's play on our win vs auburn last season lol.
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In baseball when a great hitter just can't hit a bad or mediocre pitcher... you call them cousins. Auburn was JG's cousin.

Auburn was tailor made for the things JG does well. One of those is the back shoulder throw. In most games, it isn't enough.
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Agreed. When your offense is unable to keep your defense off the field, it breeds room for error. Offense controls the clock and flow of the game. The defence is in control of creating turnovers and defending territory. They can't do that if they're playing time exceeds their offense. The saying is an elite defense wins games, but that is only true if you have a competent offense. See Auburn game last yr as an example. They had one of the top defenses in the country, but their offense was substandard, hence, they lost. I've got plenty more examples, but I'll stop there.
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I'd argue that if your defense never can handle staying on the field for a while, then it isn't an elite defense. Any defense is going to struggle if they are hung out to dry excessively or repeatedly put in bad field position. But if they can't handle an even TOP battle, or even a slightly losing a TOP battle, that isn't a great defense.
 
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1vol8 said:
That’s the problem with a lot of these opinions. It’s only natural to think in the “here and now”. And RIGHT NOW yes JG May be our best chance to win the next game due to experience, not talent. Imo I don’t think many, including our HC, are thinking in terms of the damage it’s causing the team by NOT playing the backups for the future. Instead they are thinking “I don’t want to lose THIS week due to qb play”. Not realizing that had Pruitt just went with the one with the highest ceiling week 1, we probably lose to GAST. We probably lose to BYU. We more than likely still beat UTC but our chances of beating Florida would have increased considerably. Instead we went with the experienced qb that’s kept our team where it’s been the last 3 years while not realizing our record would still be the same.
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Right on...personally I thought Shrout had a very strong arm...appears to overthrow receiver which can be fixed...I am calling for Pruitt to put in all freshmen possible because we have written off this year anyway...go ahead and put these guys in for next year. We will be ahead of the curve...Let those guys begin to show out...they are bringing excitement back to our game...let them get in there and see what its like to get run over a few times then they will know personally what they have to do in the off season to get ready for big boy ball...
Red Shirt...I don't care about any Red Shirt...This is not the year for Red Shirting...This is the year to throw those kids into the fire...by the end of this season the improvement could be remarkable....
 
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I’m with you on Shrout although I personally don’t see him as much more than a quality backup given experience. He had an opportunity to settle in as much as he got to throw the ball. I feel like Maurer got a raw deal by NOT throwing the ball as much with the difference in offensive approach. Maybe they were thinking if he goes in sometime this season again defenses won’t know what to expect? Idk. But it was clear they didn’t want him throwing too much and I don’t think it had anything to do with trust being up so big. Plus his deep ball was on point.
 
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If Jarrett Guantanamo stinks it up tomorrow he should be benched and JT Shrout or Brian Maurer be given a shot at being the starting quarterback.
 
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