Potential Starting Line up and Rotation 2019-2020

[The Dog]

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They really need Plavisc to be eligible. The bigger concern is the rotation at the 1,2 and 3. Unless Johnson really steps up you are putting a ton on Bowden, James and Turner. That’s no back ups, just rotating around. Any injury would devastate.

I don't care who u put on ignore, I was really just messing with Chris, who usually brings it, imo.....and I agree with u, UT really needs Plavsic to be eligible. Yes, that's 95 minutes between Bowden, Turner and James, probably too many minutes. But, that's 2 Senior returning starters or might as well have been and a 5-star freshman, I expect those 3 to carry the '19-'20 Vols into the NCAA Tourney

 

[orbs son]

Turner-35
Bowden-33
James-29
Fulk-28
Pons-25
Burns-20
Johnson-20
Kent-10

 

[cncchris33]

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Again, I've never gotten an explanation of why you put me on ignore and I can't remember any significant disagreement that would warrant it, especially the way you carry on with other posters with whom you disagree, but to each their own. I've offered to talk it out, but if you want to take that grudge to your grave, that's your choice.

 

[calban]

Tennessee basketball: Yves Pons could see a lot of minutes at the four

 

[Namorto1]

Tennessee basketball: Yves Pons could see a lot of minutes at the four

Makes sense. Expect Pons will split time as a backup behind Bowden and likely Fulkerson. If he can earn 20 minutes of playing time that would be a good sign.

 

[Namorto1]

PG- James 30/Turner 10
SG- Turner 20/Bowden 10/Johnson 10
SF- Bowden 20/Pons 10/Gaines 10
PF- Pons 20/ORN 10/Fulkerson 10
C- Fulkerson 20/Burns 20

This is pretty close to my thoughts. James will play predominately PG offensively but defensively will guard the 3. Turner is better at 2 but will defend the PG. Bowden starts at the 3. Won’t be considered a small lineup because of James size. Barnes loves him some Fulky so I think he starts at the 4, with Plavsic at the 5 if eligible. Will be a lot of guys rotating in at the 4 and 5 and doubt any of them will play more than 25 minutes per game, maybe not more than 20 as you note.

Depth in backcourt and wings is concerning so Johnson has be able to give a lot of quality minutes. Pons will play both 3 and 4 as backup. Pember really needs a redshirt year but if he has to play it will be more at the 3 because he can shoot from the perimeter, and we could use another shooter. He won’t be able to guard anyone in the post at his current size. Gaines is quite frankly the most interesting decision to me on the entire roster. He may merit a redshirt as well, but our depth is an issue and we can’t wear out James, Turner or Bowden or the 2nd half of SEC play we may fade. I find his weight less problematic than Pember, because on the wing it is not like he is going to be expected to bang down low or rebound in the paint. His skill set is intriguing as he can handle. If his perimeter shooting is decent, he may get some spot minutes too.

We lost a ton of scoring with Grant, Admiral, Jordan, and Kyle gone. Turner has the leadership covered and he is a gamer and clutch as he has proved the last 2 years. Bowden has to get more aggressive. James will be good, no doubt in my mind. Not sure how we make up for the loss of all those points unless we push tempo a lot more. I don’t think we can rely on being a high level defensive team with all these young guys, so we need to score.

Will be a a fun team to watch and Barnes has earned the benefit of the doubt. I think we will be better than most expect. It is not as if everyone else in the SEC didn’t lose players . The entire league and college basketball starts from scratch every year. Kentucky is going to be the favorite to win the league next year and they have new faces throughout their lineup. Their perimeter shooting is going to have to be generated primarily by two freshman. Hagens is a good floor leader but has to improve his shooting a lot. Florida with Blackshear will likely garnish the 2nd best team, and have perimeter talent, but their depth in frontcourt appears lacking. Everyone else in the SEC, throw them in a bucket and we will have to see. I think Barnes has changed the culture and we will continue to be competitive.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I was surprised when I read CRB's comments about Turner's progression as a leader. Although not exactly the same thing, I was worried that he lacked on the court discipline. Seemed like when tempers flared he'd be a fist baller instead of being under control. It's a good sign that Barnes is heaping praise on him. We not only lost a lot of point production, we also lost a lot of leadership.

We need leaders. Bowden isn't real assertive, but he's inherited the role. He reminds me of CJ Watson in that regard. Fulkerson likely will be a leader. It will be interesting where the leadership comes from in 2020-21 after Turner and Bowden move on. Another reason that Johnson, Pons, and Kent need to take big steps. Signing Bailey looks pretty smart when looking ahead to all of the underclassmen contributing in 2 years.

 

[Vols All Day]

For Pons to be successful at the 4, he is going to have to get accustom to the physicality in the paint. I remember Pons wasn't ready for the physicality the Missouri post players played with last year (Puryear or Tilmon really roughed him up).

 

[zjcvols]

I was surprised when I read CRB's comments about Turner's progression as a leader. Although not exactly the same thing, I was worried that he lacked on the court discipline. Seemed like when tempers flared he'd be a fist baller instead of being under control. It's a good sign that Barnes is heaping praise on him. We not only lost a lot of point production, we also lost a lot of leadership.

We need leaders. Bowden isn't real assertive, but he's inherited the role. He reminds me of CJ Watson in that regard. Fulkerson likely will be a leader. It will be interesting where the leadership comes from in 2020-21 after Turner and Bowden move on. Another reason that Johnson, Pons, and Kent need to take big steps. Signing Bailey looks pretty smart when looking ahead to all of the underclassmen contributing in 2 years.

Can you give examples of Turner losing control of his emotions on the court? Nothing really comes to mind for me at least.

 

[AngryButchJones]

Yeah, not sure where that narrative of Turner not being a good leader/teammate is coming from. He's always seemed to be a strong emotional presence to me. He'll take the Admiral Schofield role for this year's team.

 

[Roustabout]

Yeah, not sure where that narrative of Turner not being a good leader/teammate is coming from. He's always seemed to be a strong emotional presence to me. He'll take the Admiral Schofield role for this year's team.

Being an alpha and being a leader are two different things. See Allen Iverson.

You don’t have to worry about Turner taking initiative. Whether he can lead is a different matter. We’ll see.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Can you give examples of Turner losing control of his emotions on the court? Nothing really comes to mind for me at least.

I don't remember which game a fight almost broke out, but Turner jumped into the middle of it and it wasn't to calm things down. Also, I think that he was one of the "fist ballers" at Memphis. He needs to have his emotions under control this year in order to be an effective leader. Grant and Admiral won't he there to calm things down. LT could potentially "lead" TN into a bad situation.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Yeah, not sure where that narrative of Turner not being a good leader/teammate is coming from. He's always seemed to be a strong emotional presence to me. He'll take the Admiral Schofield role for this year's team.

You're clearly confused. Where does it say or suggest in the narrative that Turner will not be a good "teammate"? I specifically used the word "leader".

 

[zjcvols]

I don't remember which game a fight almost broke out, but Turner jumped into the middle of it and it wasn't to calm things down. Also, I think that he was one of the "fist ballers" at Memphis. He needs to have his emotions under control this year in order to be an effective leader. Grant and Admiral won't he there to calm things down. LT could potentially "lead" TN into a bad situation.

Hmmmm, I don’t remember any situation like that. I could be wrong. All I don’t believe any actions he did at Memphis lead to anything. I don’t remember any situation where I thought Lamonte lost control of his emotions

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Hmmmm, I don’t remember any situation like that. I could be wrong. All I don’t believe any actions he did at Memphis lead to anything. I don’t remember any situation where I thought Lamonte lost control of his emotions

I didn't say that he lost control or that his actions lead to something at Memphis. I'm saying that it appears that Turner, Bowden, and Fulkerson are the most likely leaders by default this year. Turner needs to be the guy diffusing those situations rather than fanning the flames. Unless technical fouls and physical altercations are possible desired outcomes. Without Grant and Admiral on the floor, one of those situations could get ugly. But I did kind of enjoy when the Pistons/Lakers/Celtics used to knock each other to the floor.

 

[zjcvols]

I didn't say that he lost control or that his actions lead to something at Memphis. I'm saying that it appears that Turner, Bowden, and Fulkerson are the most likely leaders by default this year. Turner needs to be the guy diffusing those situations rather than fanning the flames. Unless technical fouls and physical altercations are possible desired outcomes. Without Grant and Admiral on the floor, one of those situations could get ugly. But I did kind of enjoy when the Pistons/Lakers/Celtics used to knock each other to the floor.

This seems like criticizing Turner just to criticize Turner. Again. I’ve never heard anyone complain on this board or the coaching staff complain about Turner and his perceived inability to potentially control his emotions.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

This seems like criticizing Turner just to criticize Turner. Again. I’ve never heard anyone complain on this board or the coaching complain about Turner and his perceived inability to potentially control his emotions.

This seems like you're missing the point. Who will be a vocal leader with a calming effect when it's needed? Are you Turner's mom?

 

[zjcvols]

This seems like you're missing the point. Who will be a vocal leader with a calming effect when it's needed? Are you Turner's mom?

You (unprovoked) brought up that Turner seems to have issues controlling his emotions and concerned about his on court discipline. I asked for examples. You provided none. Then suggested Turner could lead Tennessee into a bad situation.

You have taken multiple shots at Turner for a plethora of things that don’t make sense. Sounds to me you just don’t like him for whatever reason.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

You (unprovoked) brought up that Turner seems to have issues controlling his emotions and concerned about his on court discipline. I asked for examples. You provided none. Then suggested Turner could lead Tennessee into a bad situation.

You have taken multiple shots at Turner for a plethora of things that don’t make sense. Sounds to me you just don’t like him for whatever reason.

I think that you've gone out of your way to defend him all 2 times that I brought up a plethora of things. Good thing you didn't pick Fulkerson to defend. You'd be awfully busy.

 

[calban]

Don't think Turner was even involved in the Balled Fist ordeal. Bone was the instigator in that one.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Don't think Turner was even involved in the Balled Fist ordeal. Bone was the instigator in that one.

I don't think that Turner was calmly sitting on the bench or trying to get Bone to settle down. My point is that it seemed to me that there will be a drop off minus AS and GW in that type of leadership. Turner is a got your back kind of teammate. Bowden and Johnson have been kind of quiet. Fulkerson gets laughed at (on this board). Kent has played 13 minutes in 2 years. James will be a freshman. We obviously lost something with Grant, Bone, and Admiral leaving. I even thought that Walker was going to be a solid, stable personality. Walker hugged every player introduced in the starting lineups, so he must have been well liked. Seemed pretty intelligent and calm. So maybe Bowden/Turner will make a good combo with JB being the calm one and Turner being the Al Wilson type.

In my OP I pointed out that it was good to read that Barnes was complimenting Turner for his leadership. But our friendly board monitor instead chose to pick out other parts of my post to criticize. Anybody that's paid attention over the last 4 years should know that Turner has not been a calming influence. He's more of an I'll whoop yer ass personality IMO.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I don't think that Turner was calmly sitting on the bench or trying to get Bone to settle down. My point is that it seemed to me that there will be a drop off minus AS and GW in that type of leadership. Turner is a got your back kind of teammate. Bowden and Johnson have been kind of quiet. Fulkerson gets laughed at (on this board). Kent has played 13 minutes in 2 years. James will be a freshman. We obviously lost something with Grant, Bone, and Admiral leaving. I even thought that Walker was going to be a solid, stable personality. Walker hugged every player introduced in the starting lineups, so he must have been well liked. Seemed pretty intelligent and calm. So maybe Bowden/Turner will make a good combo with JB being the calm one and Turner being the Al Wilson type.

In my OP I pointed out that it was good to read that Barnes was complimenting Turner for his leadership. But our friendly board monitor instead chose to pick out other parts of my post to criticize. Anybody that's paid attention over the last 4 years should know that Turner has not been a calming influence. He's more of an I'll whoop yer ass personality IMO.

And Schofield wasn’t? How many T’s has he picked up over the years? Yet people applaud his leadership??

 

[VEKZY]

And Schofield wasn’t? How many T’s has he picked up over the years? Yet people applaud his leadership??

Thought about bringing this up as well.

I think Turner will be a great leader, and I don't think having emotion / "showing fire" is a sign of a bad leader. As you said, look at Schofield.

 

[LeannaVol]

On the one hand, I have always thought of Turner as a guy that might start something. Kind of like I do Russell Westbrook. On the other, I don't think I have seen any real justification for that. I don't know if he reminds me of somebody else or just his sometime facial expressions. Unless Thunder has some real justification which he hasn't provided, I think it is maybe just people picking up on something that may not really be there. I am going with zjc on this one mainly because I enjoy his profile pic the most.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I'm not going to search my DVR, but there absolutely was a game away from TBA where Turner did his best impression of Tony Harris. I was real concerned about him getting T'd up in a close game. And I don't remember Admiral necessarily getting in an opponent's face and about coming to blows. But if that did happen it's a good thing that Grant was there to be a diffuser.

Hey, maybe it would be a good season to knock some opponents on their asses.