To Protect and to Serve II

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davethevol said:
I think that was intentional and he thought nothing would happen to him. He just wanted to kill someone.
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I think he panicked when she got that close to him. All he could think about was being "trapped in his coffin", and his instinctive response was Deadly Force. Not defending him, or his actions. It was excessive, it was wrong, and it was criminal. Justice has been served, or as close to it as our system allows. But I don't think he just wanted to shoot someone. I think he panicked. Odds are that he never possessed the demeanor necessary to make a good cop. Just guessing here, but I've seen panic shots and sympathetic fire before. There's always an underlying cause. Usually, it's an oversight (or turning a blind eye) in the screening, training, or evaluation process.

Just a long-distance opinion, but I'd bet I'm close, if not in the 10-ring on this one.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
In short, LEO's are exempted from all of the "Rules of the Road", with the sole and notable exception being "Due Regard". There are additional restrictions or limitations, on a state-by-state basis, but that's the nickel version.

Now, having said that, here's where I stand on it: As an example, how fast do you / should you drive on the Interstate when in a marked unit, not responding to a call. Do you (a) drive the speed limit; create a 1/2 mile long logjam behind you, and see who's got the cojones to pass you?; .
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That's me! I'll pass a LEO if he is driving the speed limit. Those log jams are ridiculous and dangerous.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
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Just another day in the office for those who swore to protect and serve.

Violating the rights of American citizens is the new norm for our law enforcement officers who swore to uphold the constitution.

These cops and other officers like them should be locked up in gitmo for their terrorist actions.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I think he panicked when she got that close to him. All he could think about was being "trapped in his coffin", and his instinctive response was Deadly Force. Not defending him, or his actions. It was excessive, it was wrong, and it was criminal. Justice has been served, or as close to it as our system allows. But I don't think he just wanted to shoot someone. I think he panicked. Odds are that he never possessed the demeanor necessary to make a good cop. Just guessing here, but I've seen panic shots and sympathetic fire before. There's always an underlying cause. Usually, it's an oversight (or turning a blind eye) in the screening, training, or evaluation process.

Just a long-distance opinion, but I'd bet I'm close, if not in the 10-ring on this one.
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Justice isn’t close to being served.

I think the cop should receive the death penalty.

The idiot went through alleged training to be a public servant and his reaction to a lady walking up to the police cruiser that was paid for by tax payers money was to shoot her.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Justice isn’t close to being served.

I think the cop should receive the death penalty.

The idiot went through alleged training to be a public servant and his reaction to a lady walking up to the police cruiser that was paid for by tax payers money was to shoot her.
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Criminal? Yes. Prison? Yes. Death penalty? No. Two words are missing here: Malice aforethought.

Our system isn't perfect. Personally...were it not against the law...I'm all for a dose of "Arab Justice" for those who steal, then steal again, then steal again, etc. I'd be okay with tossing pedophiles out of an airplane at 10,000 feet. But that's not the system we have, and that's not who we are.

Do you then also then support criminal charges against those who trained him, evaluated him, and supervised him? How far back do you stop cutting to make sure you get all the rot? Slippery slope.

Doesn't matter who paid for the cruiser. It was criminal, he has been tried and convicted by a jury of his peers, and he will answer for his crime the same as any other citizen under the law. While a higher standard of behavior may have been considered here, the simple fact is that he should not have responded the way he did. That a life was lost as a result is tragic, but absent a clear and obvious intent to cause serious harm in advance of the actual event, there is no malice aforethought, and thus the elements of a Murder charge likely could not be met.

Not taking sides. I'm glad he was held accountable for his actions. I would have preferred to see a longer sentence. But while he does not suffer the biblical fate of "an eye for an eye", his life is forever ruined as a result of his actions. Nothing society does to him will bring her back.

Justice isn't blind, it's just nearsighted sometimes.
 
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Velo Vol said:
This is something.

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What pisses me off the most is... You could tell by the relaxed, nonchalant behavior of the LEOs that none of them perceived him as a legitimate threat. So with that in mind, why stand around for (at least) 2 minutes doing absolutely nothing, essentially giving a man who's clearly not a threat but has (at least) a half a dozen guns pointed at him and is probably scared as hell a chance to make a wrong move and get himself shot? They either didn't know what the hell they were doing or simply wanted to have a reason to shoot him. Basically... They're either incompetent or evil.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
What pisses me off the most is... You could tell by the relaxed, nonchalant behavior of the LEOs that none of them perceived him as a legitimate threat. So with that in mind, why stand around for (at least) 2 minutes doing absolutely nothing, essentially giving a man who's clearly not a threat but has (at least) a half a dozen guns pointed at him and is probably scared as hell a chance to make a wrong move and get himself shot? They either didn't know what the hell they were doing or simply wanted to have a reason to shoot him. Basically... They're either incompetent or evil.
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Earning the hate...

First off, the woman filming has no idea how bad of situation she put herself in by being in the line of fire.

Next, these damn cops... I swear, its almost like these cops nowadays really are itching to live a childhood fantasy of playing cops and robbers. They pulled out all of the weaponry they could and aimed them at a man that was on his knees with his hands behind his head. Just a disgusting exhibition of policecraft.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Earning the hate...

First off, the woman filming has no idea how bad of situation she put herself in by being in the line of fire.

Next, these damn cops... I swear, its almost like these cops nowadays really are itching to live a childhood fantasy of playing cops and robbers. They pulled out all of the weaponry they could and aimed them at a man that was on his knees with his hands behind his head. Just a disgusting exhibition of policecraft.
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Yeah I was actually thinking while watching that if shots started flying, she'd almost certainly have gotten herself killed as well.

And TBH, I actually think she may have been making things worse and not better. As she was making her scene, I could literally fell the tension of the situation increasing. She should've pulled out her phone to record, probably vocalized they were being live streamed, and stood aside and stfu...
 
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Cdywolfe said:
What pisses me off the most is... You could tell by the relaxed, nonchalant behavior of the LEOs that none of them perceived him as a legitimate threat. So with that in mind, why stand around for (at least) 2 minutes doing absolutely nothing, essentially giving a man who's clearly not a threat but has (at least) a half a dozen guns pointed at him and is probably scared as hell a chance to make a wrong move and get himself shot? They either didn't know what the hell they were doing or simply wanted to have a reason to shoot him. Basically... They're either incompetent or evil.
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I’ll take evil
 
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Knox County DA 'looking into' detective's church sermon calling for execution of LGBTQ people

In the hourlong sermon based on an Old Testament passage, Detective Grayson Fritts, also a pastor at All Scripture Baptist Church in Knoxville, told his congregation that he believes that federal, state and county governments should arrest, try, convict and "speedily" execute people within the LGBTQ community on no more grounds than a cell phone photo of a person participating in a Pride event.
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Ever notice how after it’s only a certain people that have issues after a shooting?

S*** is going down in Memphis.
 
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YankeeVol said:
Ever notice how after it’s only a certain people that have issues after a shooting?

S*** is going down in Memphis.
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Apparently, the suspect was wanted on multiple warrants and MPD was there to assist US marshals with the arrest. After the suspect used a vehicle to ram other cruisers, he exited the vehicle with a weapon therefore leading to this death by lead poisoning.

The public protesters and aggression towards the department is not justified in this case.
 
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ETV said:
Apparently, the suspect was wanted on multiple warrants and MPD was there to assist US marshals with the arrest. After the suspect used a vehicle to ram other cruisers, he exited the vehicle with a weapon therefore leading to this death by lead poisoning.

The public protesters and aggression towards the department is not justified in this case.
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It’s usually not.
 
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Rioters tore up downtown charlotte a while back over a perfectly normal shooting where the guy had a gun. Damaged stores, buildings, cars, many injured and a black man was killed by other black guys in the process.

Month or 2 ago, a white female cop and another cop had a black man open carrying who was licensed to carry on his knees in a burger king parking lot, he was talking to a female in the passenger seat with her door open. Female tells him over and over to "put the gun down!" So he reaches to grab his gone from his hip slowly and she put 2 rounds in him before he ever got it out of the holster...his last words a moment later were "you told me.....death*"....all of which was on video. She pretty much panicked and executed an innocent man. He wasnt ever bothering anyone or causing trouble, somebody from Bking i guess had just called the law because he had a gun on his hip. No protests or riots, nothing. Just doesnt make sense to me. The lady cop had about 18 years service on charlotte PD. After all this goes to court etc she will retire and the city (,taxpayers) will have to pay his family millions in the settlement i am sure.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Rioters tore up downtown charlotte a while back over a perfectly normal shooting where the guy had a gun. Damaged stores, buildings, cars, many injured and a black man was killed by other black guys in the process.

Month or 2 ago, a white female cop and another cop had a black man open carrying who was licensed to carry on his knees in a burger king parking lot, he was talking to a female in the passenger seat with her door open. Female tells him over and over to "put the gun down!" So he reaches to grab his gone from his hip slowly and she put 2 rounds in him before he ever got it out of the holster...his last words a moment later were "you told me.....death*"....all of which was on video. She pretty much panicked and executed an innocent man. He wasnt ever bothering anyone or causing trouble, somebody from Bking i guess had just called the law because he had a gun on his hip. No protests or riots, nothing. Just doesnt make sense to me. The lady cop had about 18 years service on charlotte PD. After all this goes to court etc she will retire and the city (,taxpayers) will have to pay his family millions in the settlement i am sure.
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There was a little more to it than that. First (see story) the police were called because he in fact had been causing trouble.

“The first caller frantically said she needed police quickly because the individual entered the store, walked behind the counter with a gun and was pointing it at an employee,” a police department statement said. “The second caller frantically said she needed police because an individual had approached her vehicle while she was waiting for food in the parking lot of the business and pulled out a gun.”

There also were protests.

‘You told me to': Video shows Charlotte police officer kill man following orders to drop gun

FTR I don't think the actual shooting part of the incident was handled well.
 
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