Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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"I think it’s clear that we want to be in the championship mix (in) all of our sports. And if we’re not – and we’re certainly not always going to be; it’s impossible – but if we’re not, what can we do to help you get there? What do you need?


I almost look at this, honestly, as Jeremy’s first year – or first half year. That first (stretch after he was hired) was a blur. Finish the national championship. Try to recruit – mixed results from that. Get through a little bit of the offseason program. Get to spring practice. Nobody knew anybody or what positions should anybody play. It wasn’t nearly as productive as it was this second year."
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Phillip Fulmer on Neyland Stadium project, Jeremy Pruitt growth, Kellie Harper hire
 
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if the results matter, then i think at some point, in regards to CBJ;'s 14 and 15 classes, you can probably extrapolate just fine what @chargervol and the VQ guys were talking about given how both classes turned out.

signing is one thing....production is another. and in terms of what everyone thought of those two classes and how impressive they were to what they actually wound up being......they were two way different things, hence the change in percepiton....a la Paper 4*.

and sure development plays a role. but so does injury rates (we took guys with injury history, when others wouldn't), transfers, retirements etc.....

neither of those classes were all they were cracked up to be.....and neither was Butch Jones and co....

and i don't even know who this welton guy is. never heard of him before today lol. but i'm pretty sure he's not the smoking gun to Jones' tenure at TN lol.
 
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HankHill said:
That’s not the argument or point. Obviously he didn’t sustain it bc his classes after that were ass and the program fell apart. But nothing really changed. In fact public and program perception were the highest they had been in a while it’s weird that he recruited worse coming off better season when the program was thought to be a lot better than when he took over. Because if you go back and look at those 14 and 15 classes they were filled with good players 3* and 4*s both so you would think he (or someone) was doing good in the evaluation department even when it didn’t align with star rankings so for him to recruit that well and then all of a sudden just crap the bed even tho everything he had to pitch to recruits was better than when he took over is just really odd to me. That’s why i think the Welton situation is weird and there had to be some kind of change in the recruiting/evaluation philosophy.
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I agree that CBJs 1st 2 classes were excellent and many other big time schools wanted many of players in those 2 classes. IMO, he pretty much guaranteed most of the recruits a starting position to get those 1st 2 classes. It became much harder to push the "Starter" narrative with his last 2 classes since a bunch of Freshman and Sophomores were already starting.. plus many of the players on campus probably told the new recruits that CBJ lied to them during recruiting. It was justa matter of time before recruiting dropped off when you lie to the recruits.

When you combine the drop off in recruiting with letting the existing players convince him to run off the S&C Coach... and 2017 is the result.
 
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HankHill said:
Dooleys first class was stacked. One of my biggest what ifs is how that year would’ve gone if Wilcox stayed as DC and we didn’t have Sal.

Also DaRick not getting booted. Dude was absolutely heart broken when that happened. Still wore all his UT gear even to practice while at TTU
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You mean Kiffins 2nd class. But I get your point. It was a really good class
 
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HankHill said:
Lol you and VQ guys basically said we only recruited people no one wanted lol. That’s just 100% false.

I’m not making any excuses for some of his later classes. They were ass. But this whole notion that we never recruited well here and it was all smoke and mirrors and fake 4 stars is honestly just stupid. Production, The draft and NFL rosters all prove that.
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None of that happens without josh dobbs
 
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HankHill said:
Lol you and VQ guys basically said we only recruited people no one wanted lol. That’s just 100% false.

I’m not making any excuses for some of his later classes. They were ass. But this whole notion that we never recruited well here and it was all smoke and mirrors and fake 4 stars is honestly just stupid. Production, The draft and NFL rosters all prove that.
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His good classes were similar to Dan Mullens class last cycle. A bunch of window dressing. Sure its good, but it was never championship level. He didn't even have a recruiting profile, unless undersized and a step slow counts.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
If anyone in Knoxville is interested, I’ll be speaking at Life Church on Cedar Lane Sunday at 9:00 and 10:45 and at John Sevier Baptist off Rutledge Pike at 6:00 pm.

It’s be nice to meet any of you afterwards, maybe a little knife fight in the back alley if time allows
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Wow, John Sevier was my sister's church for many, many years until she moved to Florida recently. Her daughter still attends. I have been there a few times. I doubt that I can make it Sunday, but I may try. Would love to meet you in person.
 
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drvenner said:
Wow, John Sevier was my sister's church for many, many years until she moved to Florida recently. Her daughter still attends. I have been there a few times. I doubt that I can make it Sunday, but I may try. Would love to meet you in person.
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I know her.

LP, right?
 
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HankHill said:
That’s not the argument or point. Obviously he didn’t sustain it bc his classes after that were ass and the program fell apart. But nothing really changed. In fact public and program perception were the highest they had been in a while it’s weird that he recruited worse coming off better season when the program was thought to be a lot better than when he took over. Because if you go back and look at those 14 and 15 classes they were filled with good players 3* and 4*s both so you would think he (or someone) was doing good in the evaluation department even when it didn’t align with star rankings so for him to recruit that well and then all of a sudden just crap the bed even tho everything he had to pitch to recruits was better than when he took over is just really odd to me. That’s why i think the Welton situation is weird and there had to be some kind of change in the recruiting/evaluation philosophy.
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The 2016 class was still pretty solid, 14th nationally and an 89.12 average vs CBJ's highest of 89.5. Main difference that class is we were limited in numbers. Still good quality though. The 2017 class was the real stinker and that came off the heels of a disappointing opener, blowout vs Bama, usc loss, "champions of life", "5 star hearts", and crushing Vandy loss. "The culture is a disaster" article was around the same time as well. Something was seriously wrong in 2016 and it was clear to all. I think it was easy to negative recruit us at the time. Butch no longer had a narrative to sell. He had hit his high point and failed. I think recruits and parents took notice.

Just another angle as to why everything crumbled.

I really believe a new coach has a limited window to either bust through or fail. Once the narrative changes, it is too late to recover. And 9-4 hardly moves a recruit's needle when we are up against East champions, SEC champions, and national champions. We, as hardened veteran UT fans may be estatic with 9-4 at first, but to a 17 year old it isn't a big deal at all since theit scope is what every other team is doing.
 
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HankHill said:
Lol what else is there to talk about especially during dead periods? Want to run through
All our current commits. That will take 6 minutes. It’s just funny how every time we hire a new coach most people forget that they were once All in on them all lol.
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Anything, literally anything would be better than the same circle jerk arguments. This years schedule, other teams, other sports other alien races. Dont you guys get tired of making the same points over and over about the past regimes?
 
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Dooley and Butch were both bad in their own regards. Can we agree though that UT is not a 2 to 3 year turn around? I think it will take 4 to 5 years, the problem with that is you have to be patient, which Volnation is not. If you do end up waiting that long and a coach still fails, it will be another brutal period wandering in the CFB wilderness.
 
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AF_VOL said:
Dooley and Butch were both bad in their own regards. Can we agree though that UT is not a 2 to 3 year turn around? I think it will take 4 to 5 years, the problem with that is you have to be patient, which Volnation is not. If you do end up waiting that long and a coach still fails, it will be another brutal period wandering in the CFB wilderness.
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No...we can’t agree.
 
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It's already June and we have barely even covered Dooley and butch. I'm worried we're not gonna get this resolved before signing day. Anyone who's not worried is a pumper sheep.

Now watch all the pumpers come attack me just for posting my unpopular opinion. I don't care though. I don't even read this board.
 
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