Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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you're here just for Newt?
 
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chargervol said:
You're point is wrong, some are misleading and most importantly, you're way late and no one cares.
Pick 1 of your other 100 hot takes.
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You can either prove your point, or stop trying to make it. In hindsight quite a few of the CBJ era guys didn't pan out, well documented. But to act like they didn't have other big time school offers is easily disputed. The information is out there. If they had an offer the assumption is they picked us OVER the other schools who offered, that's not an outlandish claim to make or a "hot take" it's the only tangible evidence that exist.

It's not like Bama or Florida and other schools are going to release a "we offered, but weren't actually going to take 'em" list or anything.
 
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chargervol said:
You're point is wrong, some are misleading and most importantly, you're way late and no one cares.
Pick 1 of your other 100 hot takes.
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Lol you and VQ guys basically said we only recruited people no one wanted lol. That’s just 100% false.

I’m not making any excuses for some of his later classes. They were ass. But this whole notion that we never recruited well here and it was all smoke and mirrors and fake 4 stars is honestly just stupid. Production, The draft and NFL rosters all prove that.
 
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HankHill said:
Yawn.
2014
Josh Malone over Clemson, uga, FSU
Hurd over bama, Florida, Georgia
Todd Kelly over Bama and auburn
Bates (LOL) over bama and Florida
Hendrix over Missouri and Florida
Darrel Scott over Florida and south car
Cortez over Bama, Aub, Ark
Barnett over Missouri and ole miss
Dontavius Blair over Aub, FsU(trickett wanted him bad) and texas AM
Evan berry over Georgia

2015:
Kmack over bama
Kyle Phillips over LSU, bama, and ole miss
Kamara over Uga, Clemson(prob would’ve won the heisman there), aub.
Preston Williams over Aub, Uga, SC
Shy over bama, Clemson, uNC
Drew rich over OSU, ole miss.

That’s just a silly thing to say that we were recruiting guys that no one wanted lol. Butch was a complete disaster after the 2014/2015 classes..... idk exactly what happened ...obviously some kind of change in scouting or philosophy (my guess behind it all is that Bob Welton had too much say over personnel some where after that because he didn’t early on and then our whole camps, visit, offers etc starting looking different. But he started out red hot which is why we were damn good for two years. And should’ve had double digit wins twice.
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It's possible there was a shift in philosophy. In my mind it is simpler. We blew huge opportunities and the infamous Butch quotes didn't help either.
 
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Devo182 said:
It's possible there was a shift in philosophy. In my mind it is simpler. We blew huge opportunities and the infamous Butch quotes didn't help either.
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I’m sure it’s a combination of a million things. I just remember hearing chatter that some coaches weren’t happy with “new voices” in the room. Welton was always butches right hand man so that’s just me guessing.
 
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HankHill said:
Lol you and VQ guys basically said we only recruited people no one wanted lol. That’s just 100% false.

I’m not making any excuses for some of his later classes. They were ass. But this whole notion that we never recruited well here and it was all smoke and mirrors and fake 4 stars is honestly just stupid. Production, The draft and NFL rosters all prove that.
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it was smoke and mirrors cause none of it was sustainable. it was a house of cards that came crumbling down the minute he started to field questions on Hurd, his status and why championships weren't important.

it was all pitch. no substance. the kids that saw thru that went elsewhere. and so did more than a few of the kids he actually signed here.....and no, there's no way to go back and prove who had committable offers to this place or that.

but we know not all offers are committable, so it's not unreasonable to speculate on who might not have had an actual spot at Bama, despite the offer.
 
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Coach Z also left after 2016 and he was the RC for the first two years on campus. I think had you given current staff the same recruits over 5 seasons in their S&C program we would be talking about how many 5 stars we had over the rest of the SEC East right now...but we shall see.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
You can either prove your point, or stop trying to make it. In hindsight quite a few of the CBJ era guys didn't pan out, well documented. But to act like they didn't have other big time school offers is easily disputed. The information is out there. If they had an offer the assumption is they picked us OVER the other schools who offered, that's not an outlandish claim to make or a "hot take" it's the only tangible evidence that exist.

It's not like Bama or Florida and other schools are going to release a "we offered, but weren't actually going to take 'em" list or anything.
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But Pruitt said he didn't really know the majority of the players so that doesn't lead one to believe they were highly sought after even if they had an offer. Of course there were some at the beginning that a lot of schools would have taken.
 
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HankHill said:
Lol you and VQ guys basically said we only recruited people no one wanted lol. That’s just 100% false.

I’m not making any excuses for some of his later classes. They were ass. But this whole notion that we never recruited well here and it was all smoke and mirrors and fake 4 stars is honestly just stupid. Production, The draft and NFL rosters all prove that.
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The draft? Thought the draft proved we hit a record for NO players taken in something like 3 out of 5 years. Which is totally completely unbelievable at Tennessee.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
You can either prove your point, or stop trying to make it. In hindsight quite a few of the CBJ era guys didn't pan out, well documented. But to act like they didn't have other big time school offers is easily disputed. The information is out there. If they had an offer the assumption is they picked us OVER the other schools who offered, that's not an outlandish claim to make or a "hot take" it's the only tangible evidence that exist.

It's not like Bama or Florida and other schools are going to release a "we offered, but weren't actually going to take 'em" list or anything.
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I made my point, you and the other couple keep changing it so that you have something to argue.
I'll do it one more time since you guys have changed it so much, most have probably forgotten what was actually said.

Neither me or the VQ guys said he never recruited anyone (clear enough?)
They, and I, said that Jones "filled his classes with paper 4 stars", therefore raising the class rankings higher but those filler players were never SEC caliber.
Pruitt could do that but only makes the fans feel better and it's pointless.

Now, you can prove any of that wrong without you or Hank changing it AGAIN?
 
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SweetasSoda said:
But Pruitt said he didn't really know the majority of the players so that doesn't lead one to believe they were highly sought after even if they had an offer. Of course there were some at the beginning that a lot of schools would have taken.
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To be fair, Bama barely even touches 3 stars, while 60% of our roster were 3s. On top of that, Saban recruited the biggest boys and had a 3-4 defense, while CBJ was going the lighter and agile route...so we really weren't recruiting the same types either.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
The draft? Thought the draft proved we hit a record for NO players taken in something like 3 out of 5 years. Which is totally completely unbelievable at Tennessee.
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We had some good ones but the actual topic was all the other generic 4 stars that helped the rankings but weren't what we needed.
Moco and Hank have both been changing the point made so that they can argue it.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
But Pruitt said he didn't really know the majority of the players so that doesn't lead one to believe they were highly sought after even if they had an offer. Of course there were some at the beginning that a lot of schools would have taken.
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2013 he was at FSU and likely didn't have to leave the state to recruit.
2014-2015 he was at Georgia, but was DC/DB coach and probably focused on secondary mainly.

I just don't know why we'd push that narrative I don't fault Pruitt for being honest, he probably didn't know all of the guys on our roster at the time. Good chance he didn't recruit any of them even. He prefers length and size something I think we can all agree regardless of how high they were rated or the stars Butch didn't recruit was SEC bodies.

But Joshua Dobbs was in the Elite 11 QB camp they show on ESPN...there is no way people didn't "know" him coming out of HS in GA. He was a special case though since his degree is so specialized he had a very strict offer list, but I guarantee every college coach in the nation knew those Elite 11 QBs.
 
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chargervol said:
I made my point, you and the other couple keep changing it so that you have something to argue.
I'll do it one more time since you guys have changed it so much, most have probably forgotten what was actually said.

Neither me or the VQ guys said he never recruited anyone (clear enough?)
They, and I, said that Jones "filled his classes with paper 4 stars", therefore raising the class rankings higher but those filler players were never SEC caliber.
Pruitt could do that but only makes the fans feel better and it's pointless.

Now, you can prove any of that wrong without you or Hank changing it AGAIN?
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That's funny that those guys even had the nerve to say that considering their employer had them ranked 4 stars to begin with. So they aren't SEC caliber, but they were good enough to be four stars on their platform. Then those guys will turn around and clamor for a 3 star that the staff supposedly loves and believe they are SEC caliber. You can't have it both ways. All they had to say was a bunch of the four stars Butch landed didn't pan out for whatever reason. But to say they simply weren't SEC caliber 4 stars is laughable.
 
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chargervol said:
We had some good ones but the actual topic was all the other generic 4 stars that helped the rankings but weren't what we needed.
Moco and Hank have both been changing the point made so that they can argue it.
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FTR, i remember disucssions back then about this topic. at the time, obviously hard to predict, but even in some of the player threads, i remember some healthy debates about folks taking liberites with the "got him over OSU and Bama" b/c they were on a kid's offer list......when in reality, if that kid did have a spot at one time, he probably didn't in the end, or was told he wouldn't during the process.

in the end, none of it was going to work long term knowing what we know now.
 
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RyanWalkerPGH said:
That's funny that those guys even had the nerve to say that considering their employer had them ranked 4 stars to begin with. So they aren't SEC caliber, but they were good enough to be four stars on their platform. Then those guys will turn around and clamor for a 3 star that the staff supposedly loves and believe they are SEC caliber. You can't have it both ways. All they had to say was a bunch of the four stars Butch landed didn't pan out for whatever reason. But to say they simply weren't SEC caliber 4 stars is laughable.
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"they" don't do the ratings.
 
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RyanWalkerPGH said:
That's funny that those guys even had the nerve to say that considering their employer had them ranked 4 stars to begin with. So they aren't SEC caliber, but they were good enough to be four stars on their platform. Then those guys will turn around and clamor for a 3 star that the staff supposedly loves and believe they are SEC caliber. You can't have it both ways. All they had to say was a bunch of the four stars Butch landed didn't pan out for whatever reason. But to say they simply weren't SEC caliber 4 stars is laughable.
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Having a different opinion than their bosses is "having it both ways"?
So you and your boss agree on everything? Lol, sure man.
 
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I'm in the camp that the S&C coach and lack of leadership were huge factors. We had record setting injuries under Butch and it got worse every year. The team grew less disciplined in the weight room. We were a small team by SEC standards. We became lazy to the point they didn't seem to care at all in 2017 INCLUDING Butch.
 
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Catbone said:
I'm in the camp that the S&C coach and lack of leadership were huge factors. We had record setting injuries under Butch and it got worse every year. The team grew less disciplined in the weight room. We were a small team by SEC standards. We became lazy to the point they didn't seem to care at all in 2017 INCLUDING Butch.
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I'd also lean towards it was being on the coaching staff than it was the actual evaluations of the recruits. I just don't bye that Butch recruited fluffed up recruits that teams really didn't want.
Though a lot of the three stars Butch recruited legitimately had poor offer lists. I'd definitely say Pruitt and his staff lands much better and more sought after three stars prospects.
 
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