Abortions and the bible.

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superdave1984 said:
The host voluntarily accepted that risk when she consented to sex. At least statistically 99% did.

And, for the record, I agree with your statement that the government should not be permitted to make that call.

EDIT for correction of percentage. It is actually 99% not 94%. Statistically less than 1% of abortions in the US were to end a pregnancy caused by rape or incest.
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You make a statement that they voluntarily accepted the risk. That is a nice powerful statement, but what is your basis for the conclusion?
 
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bignewt said:
Have you seen the other threads in this cesspool they call the politics forum?
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I see it as a litterbox. From what I'm told, it's still more civil than the FF on most Sundays for the last 10 years.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You are still forcing the host undergo a risk which they do not wish to embrace. You are telling another person that she has no choice but to become a mother. It is not something that the government should be permitted to do.
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The mother, and father for that matter, had a choice when they chose to have sex and risk pregnancy. You wanting to accept that risk because your own pleasure outweighs that is a YOU problem. Not the babys problem.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You make a statement that they voluntarily accepted the risk. That is a nice powerful statement, but what is your basis for the conclusion?
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unprotected sex = babies
protected sex = maybe babies
vascectomy sex = very very very small chance of babies
Hysterectomy = no babies
abstinence = no babies
sex always has a chance to make babies unless the actual parts are removed from the woman
 
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utvols88 said:
The mother, and father for that matter, had a choice when they chose to have sex and risk pregnancy. You wanting to accept that risk because your own pleasure outweighs that is a YOU problem. Not the babys problem.
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Again, for nearly 50 years it hasn't equaled acceptance of the risk. Forcing someone to carry to term a pregnancy is impinging upon their rights. I am not really sure how you get around that.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, for nearly 50 years it hasn't equaled acceptance of the risk. Forcing someone to carry to term a pregnancy is impinging upon their rights. I am not really sure how you get around that.
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It's impinging on a person's right to live by aborting it. The past 50 years is inconsequential to the duration of mankind biology. You just choose to ignore the risk and allow someone to kill someone as sacrifice to alleviate the consequences
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The rules don't apply to God. Do as I say not as I do.
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Horrible analysis. If we are positing God, and he in turn has the right to give and take life, then He could also have justifiable cause to do so.

I know it’s convenient to prooftext and cherry pick to make your point. But one has to consider the totality of what scripture provides regarding the nature of God.
 
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This place isnt a cesspool, unless you let Godless liberal wannabe socialists upset you...then, i guess it would be.

Luther and others want to take most of your guns, for now, because they know whats best. Raise taxes on all but the dirt poor..and again, they know who that should be, socialize medicine, college education, pretty much everything else, too...and they are perfectly OK with abortion right up until its crying in mamas arms...even though the common excuses for such: incest, rape, etc have been statistically shown to range between 1 in 1 million abortions (incest) and 1 in 100,000 abortions (rape, allegedly). Lets make them a comvenient form of "oops!" Birth control though, for people that are either too stupid to go get free birth control from the health department, or too dumb to actually know how to use it. Makes sense, murder innocent babies due to laziness. Gotcha.

The rest of us have at least a little sense, and varying levels of morals. Myself included, I am far from a saint. We know that the best thing that the .gov can do, in 99% of cases regardless of which facet of life we are discussing, is to leave citizens the hell alone and let us take care of it ourselves. What question can you think of, where the best solution to the problem is " let the .gov handle that, they are good at it." Yeah. I cant thiink of much either. Past providing the national defense via military, the federal government is about the last entity I want to handle anything that is important to me. There is a reason for that. They screw up just about everything that they touch...make it over budget, low quality, and always late.

Sound like who you would want in charge of the most important things in life? Life and death medical situations? Higher education when public schools already suck? More publicly funded jobs that have to be paid for by taxes on you and I??? Get the point yet?

It amazes me that there is a current portion of our population that is just determined to institute socialism and destroy 200 years of progress...while Venezuela is actually starving to death as we speak, running over its citizens with tanks, and in the middle of am armed revolution...all trying desperately to free their country from the noose of socialism. It has killed every single country that has ever tried it.

How can my American brethren actually be that damn stupid? Myopic? Ignorant?

It all goes back to this: remember how stupid the average person in this country is...then realize that 50% of them are even dumber than that.

Ladies and gentlemen, i give you the "progressives". (Thats the new word for social democrats, i mean socialists, i mean marxists, i mean communists... well, you get the picture. New name, same stupid idea)
 
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I do too, actually. I give some folks a hard time, and they do the same...but i have no hard feelings or genuine dislike for anyone here. Most of the time, we are able to discuss things here that lead to protests and violence on the streets. I am thankful for that, and i learn here..from new information, especially linked articles, regardless of who posts them.

And clear, from earlier...i dont know what to do. I proposed more education and a 72 hour waiting period...that is all i have for now. I dont know how to completely solve the problem of all these unwanted babies.

Adoption seems to be clearly the best option to me..but are there enough couples wanting babies every year, even world wide? I dont know honestly. I know that it is currently way too expensive and complicated to adopt a child in the US...we need to cut some red tape for sure. I also believe, and this hasnt been discussed to my knowledge, but there are probably quite a few abortions because mom finds out she is pregnant and has been using opiates or meth, or alcohol, heavily and thinks the baby is messed up...or she is an addict, barely surviving, and knows she cannot provide for a baby and herself. This is a public health crisis, addiction, and we HAVE TO. do better as a country,
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You make a statement that they voluntarily accepted the risk. That is a nice powerful statement, but what is your basis for the conclusion?
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Statistics. Out of about 371,000 abortions this year in the US, about 3,600 were due to rape or incest. That's less than 1%. Statistically the overwhelming majority of abortions in the US are oops, I was irresponsible and now I want to terminate this pregnancy. If you choose to be irresponsible then you are accepting the risk.
Number of Abortions in US & Worldwide - Number of abortions since 1973
 
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utvols88 said:
It's impinging on a person's right to live by aborting it. The past 50 years is inconsequential to the duration of mankind biology. You just choose to ignore the risk and allow someone to kill someone as sacrifice to alleviate the consequences
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You are still left forcing someone to do that which they do not want to do.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You are still left forcing someone to do that which they do not want to do.
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You are still accepting the risk of pregnancy unless you were forced into sex. If you willingly engage in unprotected sex, you have accepted the risk of pregnancy. Prevention is much easier, cheaper, and acceptable than abortion.
We, as parents, HAVE to educate our kids on the risks of birth control as well as unprotected sex AND the benefits of self control.
 
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Every action has a consequence. Every decision does too. Some are desirable, some are not. If you are mature enough in your own mind to make a decision, you must also be mature enough to live with the consequence that follows it. I made the decision to drink alcohol at age 12. I was nowhere near prepared for the consequences of that decision. 30 years later I finally stopped drinking and faced my demons. I had to own up to what 3 decades of serious drinking did to me and to my family. There were LOTS of consequences.

I am 100% certain that even women who had an abortion and view it as a casual thing and no big deal will have consequences of their actions.
I am 100% certain abortion has an impact on the female body. I have no idea to what degree, but any invasive medical procedure leaves a lasting mark. I suppose the "morning after pill" doesn't have nearly the physical impact, but somewhere down the line there will be an emotional scar from even that.

How would you explain to your child that you had an abortion? Or would you never tell them? What explanation would you give for why you did it? How would you expect your teen to respond? How about an adult child?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You are still left forcing someone to do that which they do not want to do.
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Like being killed? Life takes precedent such as a 17 year old child cannot be killed to supply a parent their internal organs because the parent decides that they dont want to be forced to have failing organs.

The split in the road is simply placed to "what is a baby in the womb". Is it a person who inherently has the natural rights that all persons have or is it something else. Pro abortion people believe it is something else. Prolife people believe they are a person, therefore has a natural right to live. First and foremost. The mother carrying made a decision prior to the baby being formed to accept that risk. Arguing otherwise is arguing for the ability to sacrifice another persons life to expunge responsibility of that decision.

The arguments from pro life are much stronger and significantly more consistent than pro abortion, which is all over the map.
 
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