Zach Kent has been...

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
This doesn't make sense to me. You can not redshirt (in basketball) if you have played at all. MEDICAL redshirts can be applied for to the conference office and there are 2 participation rules. The injury has to occur in the first half of the season AND the player can not participate in more than 30% of games. Zack Kent must apply for the MEDICAL redshirt for the 2017-18 season and they can go for the rare 2-year waiver by arguing that the same injury affected 2018-19. He had knee surgery around October 2018 iirc. Since ZK played in 2 games in 2017-18 he can not simply take a redshirt for that year. There was a rule added for football last year that allows what you are describing. Basketball players can not play a single minute and be able to take a (regular) redshirt for that year.
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^ All wrong.
 
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Thunder you are wrong on some of this. once a redshirt year is used(either one) you can't take another regular redshirt.


The easiest way to think about it is BOTH years must be medical decisions.

Kent can't take a regular redshirt this year as you have said
 
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butchna said:
My understanding is that he hasn’t played the last two seasons due to medical reasons. If even vaguely true, he’s eligible to apply for an additional year...no fudge involved.
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Yep. It could happen.

Barnes and staff are pretty smart cookies
 
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BruinVol said:
I know the rule very well


What part In that post was wrong?


Maybe I missed something
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You did. The NCAA doesn’t even use the term REDSHIRT much less medical redshirt. Medical hardship waiver is what was applied for and approved and THAT allowed Kent to be redshirted for the 2017/2018 season. And if a SIXTH season is a possibility? Rule 30.2 applies.
A waiver of the five-year period of eligibility is designed to provide a student-athlete with the opportunity to participate in four seasons of intercollegiate competition within a five-year period. This waiver may be granted, based upon objective evidence, for reasons that are beyond the control of the student athlete or the institution, which deprive the student-athlete of the opportunity to participate for more than one season in his/her sport within the five-year period.
This states that a player must be held from competition for 2 or more seasons (more than one) by circumstances beyond his control.
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butchna said:
You did. The NCAA doesn’t even use the term REDSHIRT much less medical redshirt. Medical hardship waiver is what was applied for and approved and THAT allowed Kent to be redshirted for the 2017/2018 season. And if a SIXTH season is a possibility? Rule 30.2 applies.
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Oh good grief
Medical redshirt - medical hardship waiver


Same thing

You can bet your ass the term redshirt is used on a roster when a kid uses a medical


His post was correct. In an another post he said he could take a regular redshirt and was wrong about that
 
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Apples and Oranges guys. Dang. Your both right. Just arguing different angles of the same triangle. Agree to disagree but your both right.
 
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BruinVol said:
Oh good grief
Medical redshirt - medical hardship waiver


Same thing

You can bet your ass the term redshirt is used on a roster when a kid uses a medical


His post was correct. In an another post he said he could take a regular redshirt and was wrong about that
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Got you to cuss, so I know you’re second guessing yourself. His interpretation was wrong so the whole post was off. Also to our earlier conversation about Zach Kent being a FULL PARTICIPANT in practice “most of the season”? Peruse at your contrary leisure. 😏
Rick Barnes offers update on Zach Kent's status
 
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cwbytruckers said:
Apples and Oranges guys. Dang. Your both right. Just arguing different angles of the same triangle. Agree to disagree but your both right.
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We couldn’t be. Sit this one out...peace negotiator.
 
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butchna said:
Knee scope BRAH! Pull somethin out your ASS that refers to him as a “full participant most of the year.” 😎
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I'll say this. That article proves to me they certainly are planning to get that waiver/redshirt


There have been a number of NCAA appeals the used media reports to help argue the fudging. Smart move by Barnes
 
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BruinVol said:
Oh good grief
Medical redshirt - medical hardship waiver


Same thing

You can bet your ass the term redshirt is used on a roster when a kid uses a medical


His post was correct. In an another post he said he could take a regular redshirt and was wrong about that
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If I said that a regular redshirt then it was a typo or was used as an example of a scenario that wouldn't be allowed. Quote that post please. I can't look back to prior pages from my mobile. Thanks.

It's my understanding that once a regular redshirt has been used, then a MHW is no longer an option. If I posted anything other than that then it's a mistake.
 
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Confusing. He's a R-Fr now. If he got a second RS or med would he have 4 years of eligibility?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Also, in the unlikely event that Kent is not given a favorable ruling for a MHW in the 2017-18 season, it is 100% certain that he can take a regular redshirt in 2018-19.
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This is post I originally read as you being wrong on. Technically you were wrong because he's already been granted the medical year but overall I agree with what your are saying.


Also I don't believe you have to wait until year 5 is over to apply for year 6. That would make acedemic plans very difficult not knowing the duration of time in school. Now many times schools wait to apply for the waiver because they aren't sure they want the kid an extra year but it's my belief they can apply before year 5 is over


Thunder Good-Oil said:
Also, in the unlikely event that Kent is not given a favorable ruling for a MHW in the 2017-18 season, it is 100% certain that he can take a regular redshirt in 2018-19.
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butchna said:
You did. The NCAA doesn’t even use the term REDSHIRT much less medical redshirt. Medical hardship waiver is what was applied for and approved and THAT allowed Kent to be redshirted for the 2017/2018 season. And if a SIXTH season is a possibility? Rule 30.2 applies.
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If you look back, I was using the term medical hardship waiver from the start. I started saying "medical redshirt" only after several posts because I was tired of typing out "medical hardship waiver" and I didn't want to confuse anybody with "MHW".

I believe that you were wrong every time that you've claimed that I was wrong. You were also wrong when you brought part of the new rule for football only into the back-and-forth. If a basketball player participants in a single minute then a "regular redshirt" is not an option.
 
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BruinVol said:
This is post I originally read as you being wrong on. Technically you were wrong because he's already been granted the medical year but overall I agree with what your are saying.


Also I don't believe you have to wait until year 5 is over to apply for year 6. That would make acedemic plans very difficult not knowing the duration of time in school. Now many times schools wait to apply for the waiver because they aren't sure they want the kid an extra year but it's my belief they can apply before year 5 is over
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Butchna was arguing that the application had to be applied for AFTER all eligibility was used, that wasn't me.

I don't remember seeing where the SEC has approved ZK's MHW for 2017-18. My point was that IF it was denied then he would use 2018-19 as a "regular redshirt".
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Butchna was arguing that the application had to be applied for AFTER all eligibility was used, that wasn't me.

I don't remember seeing where the SEC has approved ZK's MHW for 2017-18. My point was that IF it was denied then he would use 2018-19 as a "regular redshirt".
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Yea I get that


The fact Kent was listed as a redshirt freshmen all year means his waiver was granted
 
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