Zach Kent has been...

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VOLINVONORE said:
It was said he was a smart player and he has 2 years of good coaching. I think that his play is the reason we had a couple of players leaving. We will know this Fall.
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I think there is a good amount of exaggeration here. The guy has only played two games and I can't remember seeing him in those games. Also, I watched his limited high school film.
 
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butchna said:
Your interpretation...which tends to run conspiratorial. 😏 That “full participant much of the year” ever been confirmed by anybody credible?
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Well there certainly has been confirmation he was performing well in workouts just a few weeks after the season was over. And yes it's been discussed a lot about him being a full participant in practice.
 
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Tennessteve said:
There was no reason for Kent to play this season. We had Grant, Admiral, Kyle and Walker. Barnes knew what he was doing, and that was elongating the career of a 4 year player - a player with length that we're going to need much more moving forward as opposed to supplementing the size we had this year. I never thought Kent was a bust. He benefits from a learning year, we benefit from it later. I'm excited to see what this team looks like, honestly. It will be a different style of play, but I don't think we will be hurting as bad as a lot of people think.
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If he was healthy there was no reason for him NOT to play. No eligibility was preserved.
 
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BruinVol said:
Well there certainly has been confirmation he was performing well in workouts just a few weeks after the season was over. And yes it's been discussed a lot about him being a full participant in practice.
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Read the Lewis VQ post about the workouts and scrimmages AFTER the season. Yours is the only one I’ve seen declaring it during the season. Guess you have a link that’ll set me straight?
 
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Roustabout said:
If he was healthy there was no reason for him NOT to play. No eligibility was preserved.
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The rotation was pretty set by the point he was allegedly healthy. Walker barely played at all, and was healthy and ready all year. It would have been hard to just drop him in there during sec play.
 
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butchna said:
Read the Lewis VQ post about the workouts and scrimmages AFTER the season. Yours is the only one I’ve seen declaring it during the season. Guess you have a link that’ll set me straight?
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Good grief. It's been discussed here during the season where practice reports said he was a full participant. Either way I think we try to get him a 6th year if we want him then
 
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BruinVol said:
Good grief. It's been discussed here during the season where practice reports said he was a full participant. Either way I think we try to get him a 6th year if we want him then
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So...no link? No link no conspiracy no exceptions...sorry.
 
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Roustabout said:
If he was healthy there was no reason for him NOT to play. No eligibility was preserved.
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The possibility of a 2-year medical hardship waiver was preserved. Had he played a single minute in any game this past season that option would not exist under the current rule.

Also, in the unlikely event that Kent is not given a favorable ruling for a MHW in the 2017-18 season, it is 100% certain that he can take a regular redshirt in 2018-19.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The possibility of a 2-year medical hardship waiver was preserved. Had he played a single minute in any game this past season that option would not exist under the current rule.

Also, in the unlikely event that Kent is not given a favorable ruling for a MHW in the 2017-18 season, it is 100% certain that he can take a regular redshirt in 2018-19.
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He already redshirted in 2017.
 
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butchna said:
He already redshirted in 2017.
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He didn't take a redshirt in 2017. He played in 2 games, so that wasn't an option.

He meets the participation criteria to apply for a medical hardship waiver (medical redshirt) in 2017-18. I've never seen an official announcement that he applied for a MHW or that it was approved. It seems that it's assumed that it would be granted. But the formal process does not have to occur for another couple of years. TN might be planning to request a 2-year waiver. TN could be waiting to go through the formal process until later as the environment for a favorable ruling could be enhanced as pressure builds for the NCAA to be more player "friendly". Pure speculation by me as again, I've not seen anything released other than ZK being listed as a freshman on last year's roster.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
He didn't take a redshirt in 2017. He played in 2 games, so that wasn't an option.

He meets the participation criteria to apply for a medical hardship waiver (medical redshirt) in 2017-18. I've never seen an official announcement that he applied for a MHW or that it was approved. It seems that it's assumed that it would be granted. But the formal process does not have to occur for another couple of years. TN might be planning to request a 2-year waiver. TN could be waiting to go through the formal process until later as the environment for a favorable ruling could be enhanced as pressure builds for the NCAA to be more player "friendly". Pure speculation by me as again, I've not seen anything released other than ZK being listed as a freshman on last year's roster.
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He’s listed as a redshirt freshman. If you’re injured early on in a season, you can still receive a redshirt and obviously he did. The fact that he didn’t play at all this season makes that application a possibility at the end of the next 3 years. It can’t even be submitted until then.

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butchna said:
He’s listed as a redshirt freshman. If you’re injured early on in a season, you can still receive a redshirt and obviously he did. The fact that he didn’t play at all this season makes that application a possibility at the end of the next 3 years. It can’t even be submitted until then.

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The bio isn't exactly correct. He can not take a regular redshirt because he played in 2 games in 2017-18. The participation criteria when requesting a medical hardship waiver is zero participation in the 2nd 50% of games AND playing in no more than 30% of all games. A regular redshirt is lost in basketball if an athlete participated in a single minute of a regular season game (exhibition game participation is permissible as that is what DJ Burns did last year).

The UTAD PR people write up very inaccurate narratives. Look at all of the errors in the game notes that Yankee posted before every game. It's also possible that HIPPA laws discourage them from calling it an assumed, to-be-granted, medical hardship waiver.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The bio isn't exactly correct. He can not take a regular redshirt because he played in 2 games in 2017-18. The participation criteria when requesting a medical hardship waiver is zero participation in the 2nd 50% of games AND playing in no more than 30% of all games. A regular redshirt is lost in basketball if an athlete participated in a single minute of a regular season game (exhibition game participation is permissible as that is what DJ Burns did last year).

The UTAD PR people write up very inaccurate narratives. Look at all of the errors in the game notes that Yankee posted before every game. It's also possible that HIPPA laws discourage them from calling it an assumed, to-be-granted, medical hardship waiver.
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I’ve seen other basketball players get a redshirt after playing a couple of games. It’s considered a REDSHIRT and justified for medical reasons. If he’s granted an additional season of eligibility, it’ll be on the basis of this past season justifying ANOTHER redshirt for medical reason...but we got 3 seasons to wait before that’s submitted. Getting details of a game wrong and the status of an athlete two years ago are two different things. Going to have to go with the school website over you on this one.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The bio isn't exactly correct. He can not take a regular redshirt because he played in 2 games in 2017-18. The participation criteria when requesting a medical hardship waiver is zero participation in the 2nd 50% of games AND playing in no more than 30% of all games. A regular redshirt is lost in basketball if an athlete participated in a single minute of a regular season game (exhibition game participation is permissible as that is what DJ Burns did last year).

The UTAD PR people write up very inaccurate narratives. Look at all of the errors in the game notes that Yankee posted before every game. It's also possible that HIPPA laws discourage them from calling it an assumed, to-be-granted, medical hardship waiver.
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He could take red shirt for this past season and then “possibly” a medical for the previous.

I know it stated he has used the “red shirt” but he could get a medical for the first and then use the “red” for this past season.
 
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JoAllan said:
He could take red shirt for this past season and then “possibly” a medical for the previous.

I know it stated he has used the “red shirt” but he could get a medical for the first and then use the “red” for this past season.
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No. You don’t get two. You redshirt then apply for an additional if your first was due to medical reasons. And you can’t apply til the end of your eligibility.
 
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JoAllan said:
He could take red shirt for this past season and then “possibly” a medical for the previous.

I know it stated he has used the “red shirt” but he could get a medical for the first and then use the “red” for this past season.
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The rule is that if a regular redshirt is taken, then a "medical redshirt" is not available.

By not playing in any game in 2018-19 then there is still a possibility of being granted a 2-year medical hardship waiver. They're rare and usually are granted when a player arrives with an injury and sits out the first 2-years. ZK played in 2 games in 2017-18 so it's less common. But by not playing at all in 2018-19, a 2-year MHW is still a possibility.
 
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butchna said:
I’ve seen other basketball players get a redshirt after playing a couple of games. It’s considered a REDSHIRT and justified for medical reasons. If he’s granted an additional season of eligibility, it’ll be on the basis of this past season justifying ANOTHER redshirt for medical reason...but we got 3 seasons to wait before that’s submitted. Getting details of a game wrong and the status of an athlete two years ago are two different things. Going to have to go with the school website over you on this one.
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What player has ever been given a regular redshirt after participating? Football changed the rule last year iirc, but I've never heard of any BB player getting a regular red shirt after playing.

What do they say about Fulkerson? He clearly couldn't have simply red shirted. It had to be a medical hardship waiver (medical redshirt).
 
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butchna said:
No. You don’t get two. You redshirt then apply for an additional if your first was due to medical reasons. And you can’t apply til the end of your eligibility.
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I don't think that they have to wait to apply. They should be able to submit their paperwork at any time BEFORE time runs out sometime after their last season.

Again, since there are HIPPA laws, the process may not be all that transparent. Waivers can actually be granted for emotional/mental conditions as well as for injuries/physical.
 
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If ZK took a regular red shirt in 2017-18 then he's not eligible for a medical redshirt in 2018-19. If the plan is to apply for a 2-year medical redshirt, then the zero participation in 2018-19 makes sense. The 5-year clock can't get extended to 6 years if year 1 was a regular red shirt.

Of course there could be wishful thinking that future changes to the rules would be retro-active, but that did not happen with the changes to the football red shirt rules a year ago.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
What player has ever been given a regular redshirt after participating? Football changed the rule last year iirc, but I've never heard of any BB player getting a regular red shirt after playing.

What do they say about Fulkerson? He clearly couldn't have simply red shirted. It had to be a medical hardship waiver (medical redshirt).
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It’s happened and often. Late and I can’t place a name. Fulkerson played too many games.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
If ZK took a regular red shirt in 2017-18 then he's not eligible for a medical redshirt in 2019-19. If the plan is to apply for a 2-year medical redshirt, then the zero participation in 2018-19 makes sense. The 5-year clock can't get extended to 6 years if year 1 was a regular red shirt.

Of course there could be wishful thinking that future changes to the rules would be retro-active, but that did not happen with the changes to the football red shirt rules a year ago.
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He didn’t take a regular redshirt in 17. He was injured after two games and received a redshirt for medical reasons. He didn’t redshirt this past season even tho he wasn’t medically sound and THAT will be the basis of him applying for a sixth season of eligibility...if he so chooses. Not a guarantee but he has a strong case.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don't think that they have to wait to apply. They should be able to submit their paperwork at any time BEFORE time runs out sometime after their last season.

Again, since there are HIPPA laws, the process may not be all that transparent. Waivers can actually be granted for emotional/mental conditions as well as for injuries/physical.
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They don’t apply for additional year of eligibility til their eligibility is exhausted. Makes no sense otherwise.
 
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butchna said:
He didn’t take a regular redshirt in 17. He was injured after two games and received a redshirt for medical reasons. He didn’t redshirt this past season even tho he wasn’t medically sound and THAT will be the basis of him applying for a sixth season of eligibility...if he so chooses. Not a guarantee but he has a strong case.
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By rule, medical redshirts are not available if a regular redshirt has already been taken. ZK can only get a 6th year if 2017-18 and 2018-19 are granted as a single medical hardship waiver for the same medical reason.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
By rule, medical redshirts are not available if a regular redshirt has already been taken. ZK can only get a 6th year if 2017-18 and 2018-19 are granted as a single medical hardship waiver for the same medical reason.
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You don’t receive a MEDICAL redshirt the first time. It’s a redshirt. The distinction is that it’s designated for medical reasons. If you miss any season or the vast majority of one during your four remaining years, you’re eligible to APPLY for a medical redshirt to apply for one of those seasons...thus another season of eligibility.
 
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butchna said:
You don’t receive a MEDICAL redshirt the first time. It’s a redshirt. The distinction is that it’s designated for medical reasons. If you miss any season or the vast majority of one during your four remaining years, you’re eligible to APPLY for a medical redshirt to apply for one of those seasons...thus another season of eligibility.
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This doesn't make sense to me. You can not redshirt (in basketball) if you have played at all. MEDICAL redshirts can be applied for to the conference office and there are 2 participation rules. The injury has to occur in the first half of the season AND the player can not participate in more than 30% of games. Zack Kent must apply for the MEDICAL redshirt for the 2017-18 season and they can go for the rare 2-year waiver by arguing that the same injury affected 2018-19. He had knee surgery around October 2018 iirc. Since ZK played in 2 games in 2017-18 he can not simply take a redshirt for that year. There was a rule added for football last year that allows what you are describing. Basketball players can not play a single minute and be able to take a (regular) redshirt for that year.
 
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